Obama ...........delusional? or just outright deceitful

[tony]

Tony, how do you expect to cover 47 million more people when we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses. No other developing nation has the population we do. The only places that have healthcare similar to what Obama and the Dems want is CANADA and France, and we know how bad those places are.

You just created more jobs in the country, hmm.. not a bad idea considering the unemployment rates.

[Vteckidd]

You just created more jobs in the country, hmm.. not a bad idea considering the unemployment rates.

Who will want to be a doctor or nurse now if they are going to make LESS money, and oh by the way, you will be told how to administer care. And guess what doctor/specialist, thanks for your 10 years of hard work through medical school, you know how im going to reward you? Im going to tax you because you make over $280,000 a year to pay for the very people im telling you how to treat.

you realize that many doctors go into business for themselves and hold their own private practices. How are they going to do now that they get told what they will be paid, they will have to ration care, and we are going to raise their taxes?



This will create just as many jobs as the stimulus plan did.

[tony]

Who will want to be a doctor or nurse now if they are going to make LESS money, and oh by the way, you will be told how to administer care. And guess what doctor/specialist, thanks for your 10 years of hard work through medical school, you know how im going to reward you? Im going to tax you because you make over $280,000 a year to pay for the very people im telling you how to treat.

you realize that many doctors go into business for themselves and hold their own private practices. How are they going to do now that they get told what they will be paid, they will have to ration care, and we are going to raise their taxes?



This will create just as many jobs as the stimulus plan did.

Hmm.. a job as a Dr/Specialist making maybe $70k-$90k as opposed to the alternatives out here right now which is next to nothing. Who out here is going to say, nahhh I don't want to be a doctor because I can't make $280k a year?

Its the same people who decide to become teachers for less than $30k a year, firefighters and policemen barely hitting $40k a year. I don't know about you but I didn't join the military for the pay, I did it because it is what I love to do. Trust me, I'd rather have the passionate professional who isn't there for salary as opposed to the one who went through med school to uphold a certain lifestyle.

[Vteckidd]

Hmm.. a job as a Dr/Specialist making maybe $70k-$90k as opposed to the alternatives out here right now which is next to nothing. Who out here is going to say, nahhh I don't want to be a doctor because I can't make $280k a year?

Its the same people who decide to become teachers for less than $30k a year, firefighters and policemen barely hitting $40k a year. I don't know about you but I didn't join the military for the pay, I did it because it is what I love to do. Trust me, I'd rather have the passionate professional who isn't there for salary as opposed to the one who went through med school to uphold a certain lifestyle.

You cannot compare a teacher making 30K a year to a Doctor that makes $280,000 a year tony.

A Dr. Comes out with AVERAGE $200,000 in LOANS he has to pay back. He is not going to go through 10 years of study to make $80,000 a year.

Would you ?

Teacher 4 year degree
Police/Firefighter, no degree 10 month training program

You are going to compare those to what it takes to me a HEART SURGEON? are you serious? Not everyone is going to sit around and sing koombaya because the job market sucks. Doctors deserve a certain amount of pay and respect, they should get it IMO.

The answer to healthcare is not rationing it and lowering wages. That will have the opposite effect on things. The answer is to find ways to lower cost by eliminating waste and fraud.

Look 70 % of america has healthcare RIGHT NOW through their employer or some other means. Of the 47million that dont

12 Million (some say as high as 18-20 million) are illegal immigrants. so take that away.

Whats left are 2 groups of people
1) People who CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE INSURANCE
2) People who cannot afford insurance

Category 1 are usually people mid 20s early 30s with no family, making over $40,000 a year, generally in good health and just see it as an expense. You now want to FORCE them to have coverage

Category 2 are usually middle to low income familes, more than 1 kid, make less than $40,000 a year and they cannot afford private insurance. However, there is care available for their family through the govt, its already provided. The states have programs like ga has Peach Care for children, etc.

So in reality VERY FEW are "not covered"

[BanginJimmy]

Hmm.. a job as a Dr/Specialist making maybe $70k-$90k as opposed to the alternatives out here right now which is next to nothing. Who out here is going to say, nahhh I don't want to be a doctor because I can't make $280k a year?

Would goto school for 10 years and spend nearly half a million dollars on education related expenses to making 70-90k a year? I know I wouldnt.

Its the same people who decide to become teachers for less than $30k a year, firefighters and policemen barely hitting $40k a year. I don't know about you but I didn't join the military for the pay, I did it because it is what I love to do. Trust me, I'd rather have the passionate professional who isn't there for salary as opposed to the one who went through med school to uphold a certain lifestyle.

A teacher MIGHT have a masters and have 50k in their education. A cop or fireman in GA more than likely have only a HS education and later on get an assoc. or BA.