Tea Party

[Total_Blender]

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Whats your source for the 4 trillion number? The numbers I have are between 876 billion and 1 trillion.

And it is a lot of money, but its needed to increase circulation and to make the needed changes in areas like energy, infrastructure, and education that keep us competitive in the global market. It takes money to make money, as they say.

Bush's idea of a stimulus (throwing people a $600 check every 2 years) did little to address the fundamental issues behind the lack of growth.

Obama has a tax plan of his own when the Bush cuts expire. It is pretty much the same as the Bill Clinton era. The rich were still rich then, I don't remember anyone complaining about their tax burden. If I get taxed $5-$10 more a week that will be understandable considering the times we are in. I wouldn't mind paying a little more in taxes for the security of knowing that my job is stable.

[Deke]

Arguments between the left and the right are so remarkably retarded on this forum (and often in general). When Bush was president, some of the left side compared him to a dictator. Now that Obama is president, some of the right side is comparing him to Hitler. Both feel completely justified in this, and think the other side is stupid for not agreeing. People are arguing that on this thread "Oh so it's not alright to voice our opinion because we're not liberal? Now we're labeled as right-wing extremists." The same shit was happening 5 years ago with the war in Iraq. "Oh it's not alright to voice our opinion because we aren't Republican. Now we're labeled as anti-American."

Everyone with this bullshit mentality of "my party is completely right, yours is completely wrong" or "my party is the victim" needs to shut the fuck up. Both sides have their fair share of sheep, faults, idiots and hypocrisy.

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This not aimed at everyone in this thread. People, on both sides have made legitimate posts in here, and that's awesome. It is possible to have intelligent debate between the two parties as I've seen many of you demonstrate. I'm also sorry that this thread has veered off-topic. However, I just could not let some of the stupidity in here to continue unchecked.

That being said, enjoy the tea party. I hope that no idiots (left or right) turn it into a mockery/tragedy.


Sorry for multiple edits. Hopefully no one has quoted this yet

[preferredduck]

If I didn't have to work I'd definitely be going to one. But be careful, Homeland Security will probably be there taking pictures of all the "Rightwing Extremists"...

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009...n-the-country/

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-c...m-09-04-07.pdf

so you have seen that too. that puts a lot of people in this country in that category, and people think im paranoid. WTF

[preferredduck]

Arguments between the left and the right are so remarkably retarded on this forum (and often in general). When Bush was president, some of the left side compared him to a dictator. Now that Obama is president, some of the right side is comparing him to Hitler. Both feel completely justified in this, and think the other side is stupid for not agreeing. People are arguing that on this thread "Oh so it's not alright to voice our opinion because we're not liberal? Now we're labeled as right-wing extremists." The same shit was happening 5 years ago with the war in Iraq. "Oh it's not alright to voice our opinion because we aren't Republican. Now we're labeled as anti-American."

Everyone with this bullshit mentality of "my party is completely right, yours is completely wrong" or "my party is the victim" needs to shut the fuck up. Both sides have their fair share of sheep, faults, idiots and hypocrisy.

[/end rant]


This not aimed at everyone in this thread. People, on both sides have made legitimate posts in here, and that's awesome. It is possible to have intelligent debate between the two parties as I've seen many of you demonstrate. I'm also sorry that this thread has veered off-topic. However, I just could not let some of the stupidity in here to continue unchecked.

That being said, enjoy the tea party. I hope that no idiots (left or right) turn it into a mockery/tragedy.


Sorry for multiple edits. Hopefully no one has quoted this yet

i think from bush sr to obama has been hitler/dictators. where do you think the dept of homeland security came from. germany. the presidents are just puppets to me and i dont support either side b/c they are all full of shit.

[Vteckidd]

market is built upon perception - market is doing good b/c steps gov is taking or working on not b/c it is just time for them to turn around.

Im sorry, is that bullshit i smell?

[preferredduck]

Anyone remember what the The Reichstag fire was and what it did for the Nazi party?

Allow me to paint a little worst case scenario picture for you...

This report alerting local authorities about an increase in "right-wing extremeist activities" makes you angry right? (if your a conservative/libertarian/whatever) Now we all get hyped up at the big tea parties with this report fresh in our minds because it was convieniently "leaked" just a few days before hand. Now have one Obama maniac show up to the event and there is a much greater likelyhood for violence. Lets say something does happen big or small. It will be plastered all over the news and give Obama a serious implcation to subdue the right. That is how Hitler established his absolute control by setting up the fire and blaming the Communist party for it clearing his path.

you are the only other person who has mentioned the fire. remember after 9/11 we had the patriot act and katrina wasn't enough to do that, but the steps have been in the works since carter was in office.

[preferredduck]

Do it! By all means I want you guys to go and report back. But you better hurry because it is today and thats a pretty short notice.

But yeah, the whole idea of the "tea party" is just a new viral marketing package for the same old GOP crap that got us into the mess we are in now. There's no direction, no coordinated agenda... its just a forum for you guys to show up in numbers and voice your general malaise about Obama.

dude when are you going to realize that there is nor ight or left anymore. they claim that for elections but they are all abt the same shit. i call this a republocrat b/c they are none of the above and neither party care about us at all anymore. very few do but if you follow them and live in missouri you are a domestic terrorist.

[preferredduck]

I know full numbers from Bush's last 2 years are not available yet, but if those number are correct, then Obama is just as bad as the evil Bush. All of this is even before we see the real cost of Obama's socialized healthcare also which I am expecting to top 1T in the first year and not the 687B over 10 years that Obama is talking about.


I agree, that is why we see the market tumble every time Obama or Giethner give a speech about the economy. Yesterday was a perfect example. BoA was trading up about a dime before the speech, and started to tumble immediately after it. It closed about 0.90 down.

bush did spend a lot on the war in iraq, but most people forget that last sept he pushed through 700B for toxic assets. now mr henry paulson was in charge of the money and it was funneled in the front door of AIG and out the back to goldmans sach. sadly everyone that is in charges of our financial crap came from goldmans sachs, and all our past folks too. sadly all this mon ey goin g out winds up in wall street and that is where the fingers are being pointed and the paper trail is running there too. bush's 700B was the first nail in the coffin. obama's 3 trillion was the last 10 nails for us. they all work for wall street, every damn cabinet member upwards does. nobody else remembers that mr obama promised that EVERY BILL that went through congress would be posted on the web for 5 days for the public to review and our congressman, well he lied there too b/c we have spent 4 trillion and that was done in less than 24hrs start to finish. the new boss is starting to look like the old boss. go figure.

[ahabion]

bush did spend a lot on the war in iraq, but most people forget that last sept he pushed through 700B for toxic assets. now mr henry paulson was in charge of the money and it was funneled in the front door of AIG and out the back to goldmans sach. sadly everyone that is in charges of our financial crap came from goldmans sachs, and all our past folks too. sadly all this mon ey goin g out winds up in wall street and that is where the fingers are being pointed and the paper trail is running there too. bush's 700B was the first nail in the coffin. obama's 3 trillion was the last 10 nails for us. they all work for wall street, every damn cabinet member upwards does. nobody else remembers that mr obama promised that EVERY BILL that went through congress would be posted on the web for 5 days for the public to review and our congressman, well he lied there too b/c we have spent 4 trillion and that was done in less than 24hrs start to finish. the new boss is starting to look like the old boss. go figure.

Yea, what ever happened to that "transparency?" I tried to log onto that site during his inauguration but the actual content pages weren't up yet... just the homepage...

[F8d2Blk]

We just need to replace the entire house and senate. Vote no to re-elect. I like that idea.

[SL65AMG]

We just need to replace the entire house and senate. Vote no to re-elect. I like that idea.

why wait for re-election thats 4 years from now. Vote them out now.... a lot of shit can happen in 4 years

[Paul]

Here is what I find so disturbing is all of the Right support on this why haven't these supporting republicans stood up and put pressure on their Governors on the stimulus money? I guarantee every RED state is taking a gov check and is eager to spend it.

Kinda hypocritical when supporters of this are using Gov excess spending

[Paul]

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Im sorry, is that bullshit i smell?

Then please explain market Ups? b/c it isn't because of old policy or that we have bottomed out. Market is still very highly controlled by perception - people think we are moving forward they spend; even companies like mine are seeing some good numbers considering the slow past few quarters.

[Total_Blender]

why haven't these supporting republicans stood up and put pressure on their Governors on the stimulus money? I guarantee every RED state is taking a gov check and is eager to spend it. Kinda hypocritical when supporters of this are using Gov excess spending

I know GA needs it's stimulus check pretty bad... over the past 2 fiscal years our operating budget has dropped 20%. If the state doesn't get a lot of the stimulus pie, layoffs could be a possibility. I know a lot of state contracts with private contractors are not getting renewed.

so you have seen that too. that puts a lot of people in this country in that category, and people think im paranoid. WTF

You wonder why the gov't is making reports about rightwing extremists and then somebody posts something like this:

why wait for re-election thats 4 years from now. Vote them out now.... a lot of shit can happen in 4 years

The House and Senate were voted in by the American people and the only seats up this year will be the 3 democratic seats of House members Obama selected for his cabinet. Even if they lose all 3 seats they still have a majority. So when you say "vote them out now" I assume you are insinuating some sort of coup. DHS is watching this type of chatter (because stupid idle threats like these are all over the internets) and they issue documents just to inform their staff as to whats going on.

We have similar memos that circulate where I work about homeless people who come in and use the restrooms. Doesn't mean we have an agenda against the homeless, we're just staying informed about the potential for trouble...

[Vteckidd]

Here is what I find so disturbing is all of the Right support on this why haven't these supporting republicans stood up and put pressure on their Governors on the stimulus money? I guarantee every RED state is taking a gov check and is eager to spend it.

Kinda hypocritical when supporters of this are using Gov excess spending

i 100000% agree.

Both sides are wrong, dirty, crooked ,etc. We need new blood. Who that is, i dont know.

[Vteckidd]

Then please explain market Ups? b/c it isn't because of old policy or that we have bottomed out. Market is still very highly controlled by perception - people think we are moving forward they spend; even companies like mine are seeing some good numbers considering the slow past few quarters.

Have you looked at the trends and what is going on? This is not a recovery. Obama says hes going to "save the banks" and the stocks go up. Citi Bank posts a profit and stocks go up.

Geitner says he has no idea what to do to save the housing market stocks plummet.

This is purely emotion driven and has NOTHING to do with out economic might or lack there of.

The DOW will teeter up prob to around 9000 then the bottom is going to come out from under it.

The next big bubble we have is the bond market and its about to explode.

One thing is for damn sure, NONE of the money Bush or Obama has spent, has helped the econommy AT ALL.

[Vteckidd]

I know GA needs it's stimulus check pretty bad... over the past 2 fiscal years our operating budget has dropped 20%. If the state doesn't get a lot of the stimulus pie, layoffs could be a possibility. I know a lot of state contracts with private contractors are not getting renewed.



You wonder why the gov't is making reports about rightwing extremists and then somebody posts something like this:



The House and Senate were voted in by the American people and the only seats up this year will be the 3 democratic seats of House members Obama selected for his cabinet. Even if they lose all 3 seats they still have a majority. So when you say "vote them out now" I assume you are insinuating some sort of coup. DHS is watching this type of chatter (because stupid idle threats like these are all over the internets) and they issue documents just to inform their staff as to whats going on.

We have similar memos that circulate where I work about homeless people who come in and use the restrooms. Doesn't mean we have an agenda against the homeless, we're just staying informed about the potential for trouble...

LOL OMG ITS A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST WHOSE NOT HAPPY WITH HIS GOVT! HIDE THE FERTILIZER!

Gimme a fucking break, what he said was no worse than Pelosi wanting to give amnesty to Illegals lol

I respect your opinion, and i can see that nothing i say will change your mind, so im just going to leave it at that.

You seem to be FAR left, good luck with that

[Total_Blender]

LOL OMG ITS A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST WHOSE NOT HAPPY WITH HIS GOVT! HIDE THE FERTILIZER!

I don't think the DHS report was quite as much "ZOMG HIDE THE FERTILIZER!!!1!" as it was just a heads up that as it was just a heads up that activity from these fringe groups may be on the rise given the current economic/political climate. The talking heads on the right are over-reacting and blowing it way out of proportion.

If any of you had read it you would have noticed the excessive use of the words "may," "might" etc. The report contains nothing that anyone with half a brain can't find on their own in 2 minutes using wikipedia.

[Paul]

Have you looked at the trends and what is going on? This is not a recovery. Obama says hes going to "save the banks" and the stocks go up. Citi Bank posts a profit and stocks go up.

Geitner says he has no idea what to do to save the housing market stocks plummet.

This is purely emotion driven and has NOTHING to do with out economic might or lack there of.

The DOW will teeter up prob to around 9000 then the bottom is going to come out from under it.

The next big bubble we have is the bond market and its about to explode.

One thing is for damn sure, NONE of the money Bush or Obama has spent, has helped the econommy AT ALL.

oh we are defiantly not in recovery my point was we have a volatile market based on perception, but i do believe Obama in office gives off better vibes to the economy than Bush or even McCain could of. i know for a fact that the stimulus money hasn't helped us nor has it had a chance to take effect. some good signs are now starting to show though b/c money is now being promised to local gov't and they are starting to plan spending which means people will keep their jobs in many markets and many new ones will be created. investing in infrastructure is the smartest thing we can do right now; its needed, usefull to most, and puts people to work while saving jobs. (even though it is in only a few sectors)

but new blood is needed i think on all fronts dems/reps; i'm sorry but our representation is weak.

[Deke]

Well how did it go?

[Vteckidd]

oh we are defiantly not in recovery my point was we have a volatile market based on perception, but i do believe Obama in office gives off better vibes to the economy than Bush or even McCain could of. i know for a fact that the stimulus money hasn't helped us nor has it had a chance to take effect. some good signs are now starting to show though b/c money is now being promised to local gov't and they are starting to plan spending which means people will keep their jobs in many markets and many new ones will be created. investing in infrastructure is the smartest thing we can do right now; its needed, usefull to most, and puts people to work while saving jobs. (even though it is in only a few sectors)

but new blood is needed i think on all fronts dems/reps; i'm sorry but our representation is weak.

I dont think Mccain would have done any better FYI. I like to think he would have been more fiscally responsible, but that has not proven to be the case, especially with all the republicans going along with the spending bills too.

I think its hard to harp on BUSH spending when Obama has doubled BUSH spending in 4 months.

I dont like how WAR IN IRAQ BAD! WAR IN AFGHANISTAN GOOD!

[Total_Blender]

I dont like how WAR IN IRAQ BAD! WAR IN AFGHANISTAN GOOD!

The war in Iraq has little, if anything to do with terrorism. Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, on the other hand...

[Total_Blender]

. i know for a fact that the stimulus money hasn't helped us nor has it had a chance to take effect. .

This is very true... most of the stimulus money is still unspent as of right now. I know the higher ups here at the university are having meetings and trying to find projects for the stimulus money, and our state/local officials are as well. But there's a lot of red tape involved concerning how the money can be used... which is not necessarily a bad thing as they are trying to target the money to projects that will stimulate growth.

[Vteckidd]

The war in Iraq has little, if anything to do with terrorism. Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, on the other hand...

LOL

jesus im not going to go through this again.

[Paul]

I dont think Mccain would have done any better FYI. I like to think he would have been more fiscally responsible, but that has not proven to be the case, especially with all the republicans going along with the spending bills too.

I think its hard to harp on BUSH spending when Obama has doubled BUSH spending in 4 months.

I dont like how WAR IN IRAQ BAD! WAR IN AFGHANISTAN GOOD!

i think we lost focus on Afghanistan and moved to iraq to finish daddies work so i'm all about us leaving there b/c we should of never went there to begin w/. again that is republican stance where we should meddle in other peoples affairs and justify it on fear. we should of gone to Afghanistan and laid waste to the country - women/children die first b/c if you can't breed then we are insuring long term stability

this should also be considered on the rest of the world that burdens us (i drive a VW what do you expect - we are the superior make)

[Vteckidd]

i think we lost focus on Afghanistan and moved to iraq to finish daddies work so i'm all about us leaving there b/c we should of never went there to begin w/. again that is republican stance where we should meddle in other peoples affairs and justify it on fear. we should of gone to Afghanistan and laid waste to the country - women/children die first b/c if you can't breed then we are insuring long term stability

but i thought we were evil for killing women and children in Iraq?

I dont really think going to iraq was a means to finish dads work, maybe 1% played into it.

but i believe it was because we laid waste to the taliban in 4 airstrikes. They had no army, no govt, nothing was there. Bin Laden was on the run. Iraq was the only real country in our sights we could turn democratic. It was begging for regime change, and Saddam had defied the UN for 12 years.

Im not going to say we SHOULDNT gave gone in, at the time we were looking for a way to exert our power, and to tell the muslim extremeists to fuck off.

Iraq qwas the only one that fit that bill and could be turned democratic.

Taking over afghanistan would have done nothing but , and still will do nothing.

IMO of course

[Vteckidd]

if 10 years from now,Iraq is prosperous and supplying us with oil and their deomcracy infects IRAN and it turns, this is all a moot point.

But thats a long ways away

[Paul]

if 10 years from now,Iraq is prosperous and supplying us with oil and their deomcracy infects IRAN and it turns, this is all a moot point.

But thats a long ways away

oh by all means but if history repeats itself in the middle east it is a lost cause and no matter how much intervention/$ is dumped into it we are screwed. regime or not iraq bin ladin connections were never there and we know that.

[BanginJimmy]

But there's a lot of red tape involved concerning how the money can be used... which is not necessarily a bad thing as they are trying to target the money to projects that will stimulate growth.

There is no reason to believe that infrastructure projects will stimulate growth in anything. At the very best it will prevent more drawbacks but even that is debatable.

[Total_Blender]

There is no reason to believe that infrastructure projects will stimulate growth in anything. At the very best it will prevent more drawbacks but even that is debatable.

Ask people in Boston how they feel about the Big Dig. Whether or not it stimulated growth, it was sorely needed. A similar project in Atlanta would be great.

[BanginJimmy]

Ask people in Boston how they feel about the Big Dig. Whether or not it stimulated growth, it was sorely needed. A similar project in Atlanta would be great.

It doesnt seem to be going over all that well actually. We arent talking about what makes people feel good either. We are talking about stimulating the economy.

http://wbztv.com/bigdig/big.dig.mass....2.773232.html


I guess 50% cost overruns are good for the local and state economies. Also no money for other projects which mean no more people are going to work than before. There is just less being done.

Massachusetts spends 38 percent of its highway budget on debt, more than any other state. The state also pays almost 80 percent of its highway workers with borrowed money, the Globe reported.

Widmer said the state will be forced to either add "user fees" on certain highways or raise the state's gas tax, both politically unpopular alternatives.

[SL65AMG]

The House and Senate were voted in by the American people and the only seats up this year will be the 3 democratic seats of House members Obama selected for his cabinet. Even if they lose all 3 seats they still have a majority. So when you say "vote them out now" I assume you are insinuating some sort of coup. DHS is watching this type of chatter (because stupid idle threats like these are all over the internets) and they issue documents just to inform their staff as to whats going on.

We have similar memos that circulate where I work about homeless people who come in and use the restrooms. Doesn't mean we have an agenda against the homeless, we're just staying informed about the potential for trouble...

unless something has changed i thought that people could vote out elected officials if they were unhappy with them..... has something changed

[NAMNORI]

so i'm sitting in traffic today and i'm listening to talk radio (which is something i don't normally do) and i can't believe some of the things i heard from the callers and the utter and complete lack of respect for the participants of the tea parties. When people were holding anti-war rallies and someone were to speak ill of them the media went nuts about it but since the party goers were going against the holy Obama they are free game? WTF? Who is anyone to sit here and say theses psople are wrong for thier beliefes. yes i disagree with people on here for thier stances on politics, but we are talking about being overtaxed overabused and underappreciated. Sorry for the rant but it was needed.

[Total_Blender]

unless something has changed i thought that people could vote out elected officials if they were unhappy with them..... has something changed

Very true but you have to wait until there is an election to do that... you can't just "vote them out right now". And from what I have read any GA seats are up for grabs until 2012. We do have early voting, but not that early.

GA's senate seats are republican anyway so its not like you would make any change there. And out of the 13 house seats, 7 are republican. So the best the GOP can hope for in congress is to get 6 house seats... and some of those seats are down in South GA and as far as I know no one in this thread is from Americus or Macon or Statesboro. And I really doubt you guys will get the 5th and 13th districts.

So like it or not, you're stuck with Obama and Pelosi for a while. Unless you want to secede from the union, stage a coup, or whatever else kind of veiled threats are in the Alex Jones rhetoric.

[BanginJimmy]

“Let’s be very honest about what this is about,” she said. “It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.”

So do all liberals think that hating Obama's policies make you a racist redneck?

[NAMNORI]

So do all liberals think that hating Obama's policies make you a racist redneck?

Not all liberals, but if you watched the coverage from cnn during the tea party you'd see the Obama is the saviour that we've been told about since Jesus was crucified. If you don't admit that Obama is the second coming then yes you will be considered a racist and a biggot' but then again I don't agree with most of Obama's point of views so I'm in the same boat as you.

[eraser4g63]

So when do we get to wear our white sheets?

[NAMNORI]

So when do we get to wear our white sheets?

Lol. Don't we have to wait until after memorial day? The only reason i ask is because the Obama's are the center of facism oops fashion. Damn i get those two confused alot.

[eraser4g63]

Lol, How did the Tea party go I couldn't make it i had some family stuff come up.

[NAMNORI]

Lol, How did the Tea party go I couldn't make it i had some family stuff come up.

got called in to work to get some stuff ready for our new sales brochures(sp?) so i didn't go, however i am planning on going to the freedom festival this summer that is planned... so atleast i got to follow it on t.v. at work. Really surprised at how big of a turnout there was. I think the final tally was 15-20k.