Bristol Plain and teenage fiance breakup...

[Paul]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/s...7089090&page=1

so all you people out there still think teenage pregnancy can work and would of worked in the white house

[Sammich]

whatta setup, they would have never made it through the first 4 years being in the public eye of the white house scrutiny

[nsany(atl)]

I think they would have made it at least 4 years. He would have stuck around for the free trips, rides on AF-1, chance to bang in the white house, ect ect.

[Total_Blender]

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What he said. They would have thrown everything they had at him to get him to stay on and not have the embarrassment of them breaking up during their presidency. At least untill after the 2012 election. In the event that they had a 2nd term all bets would be off since they wouldn't have to worry about votes anymore

[F8d2Blk]

Who cares? Happens everyday!

[Total_Blender]

Who cares? Happens everyday!

Yeah, but 99.999995% of teenage couples don't have parents who are in a position to make it one of their country's highest political issues that teen marriage/teen pregnancy is good and the only alternative to abortion. Watching them fail exposes the hypocrisy behind this view.

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And Bristol is single now. Is she 18 yet? I forget. Anyone know the age of consent in Alaska?

Oh... right

[Paul]

Who cares? Happens everyday!

of course it does; point being Palin supporters trying to make it out like teenage pregnancy isn't a big deal. Palin could of been the first GILF in the White House

[F8d2Blk]

Palin could of been the first GILF in the White House

LOL!

We all know that it was going to happen. Just a matter of time. Girls that get pregnant in teenage years rarely stay together with that mate.

[Vteckidd]

i dont think its such a big deal. When it was announced she was pregnant it didnt matter to me one bit. When they said they were getting married, ehh, no one knew how "in love" they were or werent.

I believe in choice, so if she wanted to keep the baby good, if not, thats her choice.

I dont believe in getting married just because you are pregnant, why make another bad decision because society says you should?

I also dont think it has anything to do with showing Palin being a bad mother, i mean think of all the bad shit WE did as kids. This is just a part of life. Look at the BUSH daughters, lol

ALl in all, its means absolutely zilch to me, could care less, more important things to worry about

[Sammich]

i mean think of all the bad shit WE did as kids.

QFT whether its in the public eye or not, i see kids do things that their parents have absolutely shunned against, and at the end of the day, how are you going to blame the parents, if they taught their kids correctly, its just a matter of whether the child heeds teh parents teachings or not

[Paul]

i dont think its such a big deal. When it was announced she was pregnant it didnt matter to me one bit. When they said they were getting married, ehh, no one knew how "in love" they were or werent.

I believe in choice, so if she wanted to keep the baby good, if not, thats her choice.

I dont believe in getting married just because you are pregnant, why make another bad decision because society says you should?

I also dont think it has anything to do with showing Palin being a bad mother, i mean think of all the bad shit WE did as kids. This is just a part of life. Look at the BUSH daughters, lol

ALl in all, its means absolutely zilch to me, could care less, more important things to worry about

sorry mistakes don't make things ok in my book... having a teenage daughter preggers the same time you are and you parade it like you are a good role model for americans sorry i don't buy it. that is typical white trash daughter gets pregnant in high school. foreign leaders would laugh their asses off if we had that type of family in our white house. what many people think the "right thing to do" is obviously why we are failing our children when it comes to education.

[Vteckidd]

sorry mistakes don't make things ok in my book... having a teenage daughter preggers the same time you are and you parade it like you are a good role model for americans sorry i don't buy it. that is typical white trash daughter gets pregnant in high school. foreign leaders would laugh their asses off if we had that type of family in our white house. what many people think the "right thing to do" is obviously why we are failing our children when it comes to education.

i think thats a little overboard.

I mean if thats Bristols 1 mistake, is it really right to hold that over her head? Kid make mistakes, whether you like it or not. She made a mistake, just like WE ALL DID fucking before we were married. Not using a condom, etc, it happens to every kid on this board, we all just got lucky and had no kid to show for it (that we know of )

Teenage sex and pregnancy is a HUGE problem, i dont look at it as Palin FAILING, you cant control what your 17 year old daughter is doing 24 hours a day. Think how many times i got laid in high school, lol.

A good family doesnt mean it prevents bad stuff from happening. A good family deals with lifes problems, learns from it, supports each other, and grows.

Simply dismissing a family as "white trash" because of a teenage prenancy well, i wonder what you think of Obamas mom.

[Vteckidd]

oh an no that is not a shot at OBama at all, im just merely showing the HUGE double standard

[Paul]

i think thats a little overboard.

I mean if thats Bristols 1 mistake, is it really right to hold that over her head? Kid make mistakes, whether you like it or not. She made a mistake, just like WE ALL DID fucking before we were married. Not using a condom, etc, it happens to every kid on this board, we all just got lucky and had no kid to show for it (that we know of )

Teenage sex and pregnancy is a HUGE problem, i dont look at it as Palin FAILING, you cant control what your 17 year old daughter is doing 24 hours a day. Think how many times i got laid in high school, lol.

A good family doesnt mean it prevents bad stuff from happening. A good family deals with lifes problems, learns from it, supports each other, and grows.

Simply dismissing a family as "white trash" because of a teenage prenancy well, i wonder what you think of Obamas mom.

obamas mother was even more controversial considering the time frame white woman w/ black guy... i'm not saying its right/wrong b/c now for the most part interracial couples are socially acceptable, but there has been quite a bit of criticisim of his parents... but he isn't his parents and he didn't make any mistake.

i'm sorry but if one of obama's daughters got preggers while they were in the white house fox news would have something new to talk about. fair + balance

people in office need to uphold higher standards than the public; there is a reason why they are there to represent the masses. Palin doesn't believe in teaching her children about birth control so the outcome is expected and this is why she is a bad parent in my book.

*everyone does dumb things in their life when they are children, but the sheer fact of parading mistakes and supporting it w/ outdated ideals doesn't make the situation OK.

[Sammich]

people in office need to uphold higher standards than the public; there is a reason why they are there to represent the masses.

i agree with that, but as far as bad parenting?!?!

like mike said, you cant supervise your child 24hrs of the day

[Paul]

i agree with that, but as far as bad parenting?!?!

like mike said, you cant supervise your child 24hrs of the day

it is bad parenting when you openly are against teaching children about condoms and other forms of birth control. sorry we don't live in the 1950's.

[Total_Blender]

Shes the poster lady for abstinence only sex ed. And she's also the poster lady of how it is epic fail.

[Vteckidd]

whoa whoa whoa one argument at a time, this wasnt about Palins beliefs and her daughter getting pregnant, this was about Bristol not getting married.

[Sammich]

it is bad parenting when you openly are against teaching children about condoms and other forms of birth control. sorry we don't live in the 1950's.

if you want technicalities, good/great parenting would have stated and enforced abstinence until marriage....

[Paul]

whoa whoa whoa one argument at a time, this wasnt about Palins beliefs and her daughter getting pregnant, this was about Bristol not getting married.

who cares if they are married - point was she was pregger teenager with a mother who doesn't believe in birth control and who was selected to be one of the leaders of the republican party. there is a reason why it is in the politics section; if this was about bristol it would of been in the entertainment section w/ chris brown, etc

if you want technicalities, good/great parenting would have stated and enforced abstinence until marriage....

lol um obviously her good/great parenting failed

[Sammich]

lol um obviously her good/great parenting failed

THAT WOULD INCLUDE MORE THAN HALF OF AMERICA SAYING THAT GOOD/GREAT PARENTING HASNT BEEN ACHIEVED. I'M SAYING THAT ITS NOT BECAUSE OF HER PARENTING THAT MADE WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED....YES, SHE COULD HAVE TAUGHT HER CHILD ABOUT CONTRACEPTIVES, BUT SHE DIDNT...ARE THEY CATHOLICS? CATHOLICS DONT BELIEVE IN CONTRACEPTIVES AMIRITE?

[Vteckidd]

all i gotta say is god help you paul with you have a kid lol

I dont get it still, so she FAILED as a parent then, great, is the recession over?

I mean its opinions, imo, it means as much to me as if Obama smoked weed or not, its trivial IMO.

Because the Neo-Liberalites will love to sit there an pick apart family values and that in itself is laughable

the Neo-Republicanites will sit there and say no to abortion.

both sides are whack

[Sammich]

somebody say weed?

[Paul]

THAT WOULD INCLUDE MORE THAN HALF OF AMERICA SAYING THAT GOOD/GREAT PARENTING HASNT BEEN ACHIEVED. I'M SAYING THAT ITS NOT BECAUSE OF HER PARENTING THAT MADE WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED....YES, SHE COULD HAVE TAUGHT HER CHILD ABOUT CONTRACEPTIVES, BUT SHE DIDNT...ARE THEY CATHOLICS? CATHOLICS DONT BELIEVE IN CONTRACEPTIVES AMIRITE?

more than half of america are bad parents too... you obviously don't get out much b/c more people should be aborted - population control FTMFW

[Paul]

all i gotta say is god help you paul with you have a kid lol

I dont get it still, so she FAILED as a parent then, great, is the recession over?

I mean its opinions, imo, it means as much to me as if Obama smoked weed or not, its trivial IMO.

Because the Neo-Liberalites will love to sit there an pick apart family values and that in itself is laughable

the Neo-Republicanites will sit there and say no to abortion.

both sides are whack

i just find it funny how the right supporters flaunt their uber moral standards as their platform to govern and this is another example of why the fail. don't worry when i have kids they will know about birth control and where to get it; furthermore education is problem w/ our society.

[Sammich]

more than half of america are bad parents too... you obviously don't get out much b/c more people should be aborted - population control FTMFW

THATS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, IT CAME OUT WRONG, BUT I DONT BELIEVE IN ABORTION/MURDER, SCREW THAT...MIGHT AS WELL MAKE EUNICHS FROM BIRTH IF U WANA ABORT.

I'M SAYING ITS NOT ALL BRISTOL'S MOTHER'S FAULT, THATS WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT GIRL MADE THAT DECISION ON HER OWN TO HAVE SEX, WHICH RESULTED IN ANOTHER TEEN PREGNANCY. CALLING THEM TRAILER TRASH BECAUSE OF THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME. I'D SAY THAT 80% GIVE OR TAKE A FEW % HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND ALOT DONT GET PREGNANT BEFORE MARRIAGE...SO SINCE THEY HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE BUT DONT GET PREGNANT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PARENTS ARE GREAT PARENTS?

[Paul]

THATS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, IT CAME OUT WRONG, BUT I DONT BELIEVE IN ABORTION/MURDER, SCREW THAT...MIGHT AS WELL MAKE EUNICHS FROM BIRTH IF U WANA ABORT.

I'M SAYING ITS NOT ALL BRISTOL'S MOTHER'S FAULT, THATS WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT GIRL MADE THAT DECISION ON HER OWN TO HAVE SEX, WHICH RESULTED IN ANOTHER TEEN PREGNANCY. CALLING THEM TRAILER TRASH BECAUSE OF THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME. I'D SAY THAT 80% GIVE OR TAKE A FEW % HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND ALOT DONT GET PREGNANT BEFORE MARRIAGE...SO SINCE THEY HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE BUT DONT GET PREGNANT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PARENTS ARE GREAT PARENTS?

if we all assume children make mistakes and will do things we tell them not too why would you turn a blind eye to pivotal situations in their lives? there is a reason they are called CHILDREN and you their PARENT. any informed person living in the USA knows that having unprotected sex can lead to teenage pregnancy; failing to teach your children such is your fault. imo that = bad parenting and if you can't parent i dont' think you are fit to run this nation.

lets change the subject slightly i know mike is a gun owner... i'm sure he will teach his children about guns as they grow up... so mike would you leave a loaded gun in your night stand while a child in the house?

[Vteckidd]

i just find it funny how the right supporters flaunt their uber moral standards as their platform to govern and this is another example of why the fail. don't worry when i have kids they will know about birth control and where to get it; furthermore education is problem w/ our society.

dude, they are both wrong lol

I wasnt insinuating you would be a bad parent, i was saying god help you if you give your kids contraceptives, and what if they dont use them and get pregnant. Does that mean we can call you white trash and a failed parent? IMO no, its a mistake, we all make them.

The republicans tout family values, and they are fucked up, and the democrats are just as crooked as the right. They are both THE SAME.

I guess what i need to hear from you , is, do you think because you BELIEVE in something and your child does the opposite you are a bad parent and fail?

I mean come on they dont believe in contraceptives or sex before marriage, thats their belief, and just as stupid as some church beliefs but we dont see the media ripping those down.

I dont think this makes it a FAILURE as a parent because her kid didnt share and abide by Momma Palins rules.

[Vteckidd]

[QUOTE=Paul]if we all assume children make mistakes and will do things we tell them not too why would you turn a blind eye to pivotal situations in their lives? there is a reason they are called CHILDREN and you their PARENT. any informed person living in the USA knows that having unprotected sex can lead to teenage pregnancy; failing to teach your children such is your fault.

lets change the subject slightly i know mike is a gun owner... i'm sure he will teach his children about guns as they grow up... so mike would you leave a loaded gun in your night stand while a child in the house?[/QUOTE]

absolutely not, cause you are right tehy are still children.

But that is like saying Palin put bristol in a room with porn stars and said "dont have sex"

thats is NOT what happened. She taught her daughter not to have sex until marriage. well that didnt happen, EVEN IF SHE TAUGHT HER CONTRACEPTIVES DOESNT MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE USED THEM.

You are acting like you tell a kid about a condom and they use them and this is all preventable.

if thats the case you solved the teenage pregnancy in america problem

[Sammich]

if we all assume children make mistakes and will do things we tell them not too why would you turn a blind eye to pivotal situations in their lives? there is a reason they are called CHILDREN and you their PARENT. any informed person living in the USA knows that having unprotected sex can lead to teenage pregnancy; failing to teach your children such is your fault.

lets change the subject slightly i know mike is a gun owner... i'm sure he will teach his children about guns as they grow up... so mike would you leave a loaded gun in your night stand while a child in the house?

you missing my statement that i'm trying to make. i'm saying that sarah palin may have instilled somethings in her children, just like our parents have. but everything that sarah told her children, like our parents did us, did they/we do? no, i know for one i didn't and resulted in consequences, just like bristol's situation. i'm not saying turn a blind eye, i'm saying you can instruct your child in the way you want them to live, but still at the end of the day, they are still going to make THEIR decision , whether its what you told them to do, or whatever else influenced their minds. . there are alot of great parents who may have had numerous children, most of their kids end up higly successful, do things in a way that can be used as a model, but one or two oftheir children may not do as you like, turn out to be a sleezebag, for lack of better wording...

see what i'm saying?

[Vteckidd]

you missing my statement that i'm trying to make. i'm saying that sarah palin may have instilled somethings in her children, just like our parents have. but everything that sarah told her children, like our parents did us, did they/we do? no, i know for one i didn't and resulted in consequences, just like bristol's situation. i'm not saying turn a blind eye, i'm saying you can instruct your child in the way you want them to live, but still at the end of the day, they are still going to make THEIR decision , whether its what you told them to do, or whatever else influenced their minds. . there are alot of great parents who may have had numerous children, most of their kids end up higly successful, do things in a way that can be used as a model, but one or two oftheir children may not do as you like, turn out to be a sleezebag, for lack of better wording...

see what i'm saying?

exactly

[Paul]

dude, they are both wrong lol

I wasnt insinuating you would be a bad parent, i was saying god help you if you give your kids contraceptives, and what if they dont use them and get pregnant. Does that mean we can call you white trash and a failed parent? IMO no, its a mistake, we all make them.

The republicans tout family values, and they are fucked up, and the democrats are just as crooked as the right. They are both THE SAME.

I guess what i need to hear from you , is, do you think because you BELIEVE in something and your child does the opposite you are a bad parent and fail?

I mean come on they dont believe in contraceptives or sex before marriage, thats their belief, and just as stupid as some church beliefs but we dont see the media ripping those down.

I dont think this makes it a FAILURE as a parent because her kid didnt share and abide by Momma Palins rules.

dems do it too so don't sway the topic... but this discussion points again to JUDGEMENT and someone who very well could of been in the white house right now helping shape our country. this breakup just drives the nail in the coffin on Palin's failed beliefs and lack of education.

it doesn't really matter b/c this was more for a laugh than anything else - if roles were reversed as i stated previously FOX NEWS and rest of the hardcore reps in here would be having a frenzy

[Paul]

[QUOTE=Vteckidd]

absolutely not, cause you are right tehy are still children.

But that is like saying Palin put bristol in a room with porn stars and said "dont have sex"

thats is NOT what happened. She taught her daughter not to have sex until marriage. well that didnt happen, EVEN IF SHE TAUGHT HER CONTRACEPTIVES DOESNT MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE USED THEM.

You are acting like you tell a kid about a condom and they use them and this is all preventable.

if thats the case you solved the teenage pregnancy in america problem

of course you can still get pregnant on contraceptives but if we all assume children will have sex don't you think it is important to give them the best education and necessary means to prevent such things as preggers/std's... i guarantee Palin is against HPV vaccinations to teen girls as well b/c in her perfect world her girls will wait till they are married.

we aren't talking rocket science much like the gun scenerio we wouldn't leave a loaded gun in a house with children b/c they are curious and can't comprehend the outcome of adult situations.

[preferredduck]

somebody say weed?

yup they did. got my attention too. lol

[Vteckidd]

[QUOTE=Paul]

of course you can still get pregnant on contraceptives but if we all assume children will have sex don't you think it is important to give them the best education and necessary means to prevent such things as preggers/std's... i guarantee Palin is against HPV vaccinations to teen girls as well b/c in her perfect world her girls will wait till they are married.

we aren't talking rocket science much like the gun scenerio we wouldn't leave a loaded gun in a house with children b/c they are curious and can't comprehend the outcome of adult situations.

but your logic is flawed.

In the gun scenario its a direct CAUSE and effect. Pick up gun, loaded, ppull trigger, kill or maim someone.

In the Sex before marriage its not that easy, you either get pregnant or you dont, you get an STD or you dont

i dunno i gotta run i can expound on it later

[Paul]

[QUOTE=Vteckidd]

but your logic is flawed.

In the gun scenario its a direct CAUSE and effect. Pick up gun, loaded, ppull trigger, kill or maim someone.

In the Sex before marriage its not that easy, you either get pregnant or you dont, you get an STD or you dont

i dunno i gotta run i can expound on it later

both are cause/effect... just because you have a loaded gun in the house doesn't mean your child will play with it, much like your daughter may not have sex, but effects of either is a game of chance.... your kid may do something stupid w/ the gun or their bodies (sex)

ps. you get my last PM? day/time/location?

[F8d2Blk]

Honestly,

We have more important things to talk about...........Really.

[Paul]

Honestly,

We have more important things to talk about...........Really.

[BanginJimmy]

Didnt read the whole thread, but with all of the media scrutiny that Brisol and her ex got its no suprise that they broke up. I wouldnt be suprised if they didnt break up 6 months ago but they didnt mention the break-up until now to remove part of the story. I can say for a fact that I wouldnt have stayed with her with the press dragging my name through the mud just to attack my g/f's mother.