Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
If there is an innovation, but I seriously doubt there will be large enough of one to make us independant of foreign oil, not to mention oil completely. To be completely independant of oil would mean the end of plastics and every other petroleum based material we use.

Phase 1 of pulling out of this needs ot be producing our own oil though. Contrary to the liberal belief system, you can work on alternative fuels while benefitting from the ones we currently have. There is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil. Wind, solar and geothermal are far too inefficient to use on a large scale. NG would raise the price of NG to a point that it would out of reach for most people. Electric, we you need something to power those batteries from so thats out. Ethanol, well, just look at how inefficient it is. It takes more energy to produce it than it creates. On top of that only an idiot would use food for fuel.

honestly not trying to attack you, but your statement of there is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil is very, very wrong....amazing what a CURRENT college level course can teach you....just one example; researchers in germany recently figured out how to capture only a fraction of the energy released from a single lighting strike and its power is enough to provide enough energy to New York city for about a week....there is also thousands, yes i said thousands, of natural and experimental gases that have the same exact properties as oil...just because the news and gov't act like they have no idea whats going on with alternative energy doesn't mean there isnt a solution. look up some peer reviewed scientific journals and you'll discover a ton of alternatives to oil use.