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    i was watching fox news, and they were arguing about the stimulus bill (as expected). a woman mentioned that one of reagan's top financial advisors supported the bill...so i researched it.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/busin...ate_01-29.html

    for those of you who don't care to read the entire transcript (actually, 2 economist weighed in) i'll do a few cliffs. feldstein is the ex-reagan advisor

    MARTIN FELDSTEIN, Harvard University: Well, one difference is that I would say that it's not enough to make a difference. I think that was Jamie Galbraith's phrase in terms of the stimulus.

    We're looking at an enormous, enormous decline in consumer spending coming along and an enormous decline in home construction, so there's a very big gap in the economy. And so that's why we need to have a fiscal stimulus plan to fill that gap.

    And filling a quarter of the gap or filling a half of the gap isn't enough. It has to be more substantial or we're going to continue to see economic decline
    MARTIN FELDSTEIN: Well, it's a plan of about $400 billion a year for two years. Now, not all of that $400 billion is going to turn into additional spending. A lot of the tax cuts, we know on the basis of what happened with the tax rebate last year, are basically going to be saved. So they're not going to add to spending.

    And in the spending programs, many of them are going to be stretched out over a long time. The water and energy program, only one-fifth of it will happen in the first two years, this year and next year.

    So what we have, then, is something that's going to be much smaller than the size of the hole that's left by the decline in consumer spending and the decline in housing construction. That's what worries me about this plan.
    MARTIN FELDSTEIN: See, what worries me is that we're talking about really big numbers. We're talking about adding $800 billion to the national debt. That means higher taxes in the future, higher tax rates, hurting the economy in the future. So we can't think of $800 billion as just, "Well, this is a down payment. We'll do this, and then we'll come back in a while and do some more, and then perhaps come back and do some more."

    We've got to spend these tax dollars, these deficit dollars, in a constructive way and the most constructive way possible for helping to bring the economy back. And there are a lot of nice things in this bill that really don't do much of that.

    So we shouldn't be wasting this money on a variety of things which really don't add to employment and additional national spending.
    MARTIN FELDSTEIN: But cutting the payroll tax, like the $500-per-person tax cut that the bill contains for two years, those are going to mainly go into additional savings. So if we really want people to spend, we ought to have incentives to spend.

    So we ought to have something like an investment tax credit for businesses and a consumer durable and home improvement credit for households. Why not say, if you buy a car or if you buy a fuel-efficient car, you'll get a very substantial tax break as a result of that, if you put money into fixing up your home similarly?
    what i like about this part, is it doesn't necessarily say "CUT TAXES." it's using tax breaks, to get people to spend. personally, i feel like payroll tax cuts are more long term, and these tax break incentives are more short term. i believe both will be necessary in order to get the economy back on track.

    there was also another interview with feldstein where he suggested putting more of the money into replacing/rebuilding the military equipment that has been lost in the iraq/afghan war. once again, this is not a bad idea for the short term. i do agree that the bill needs some reform, but people need to understand we can't just focus ONLY on the short term. in short...feldstein supports the bill, but feels it needs those few items added. the other economist who weighed in on the bill, he was pretty much ALL FOR IT.

    discuss...

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    I agree for the most part. This bill, in its present form, is basicly a spending bill and any job creation will be primarily short term.

    I am not big on sending people "welfare" money as it will be mainly used for paying down debt or savings. Both great things, but in an cash strapped economy we need spending, not savings or even investments.

    I think payroll tax cuts should goto business, mainly small ones, with a smaller cut going to large businesses. These cuts would result in a HUGE decrease in costs per man hour and for many of these businesses may result in a few hirings and will definately result in far fewer layoffs.

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    small business is where its at. small businesses employ 80% of the people in this country and, according to our current govt. officials, are the least important. something is definitely wrong here....


    its easy to spend someone else's money
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    These bills are crap...our economy is starving and feed it with quick and large amounts of food only subsides the appetite.

    Stop taxing businesses to death...stop tying their arms behind their backs with regulations and that will bring back the economy.

    FairTAX FTW!!! <-----the original stimulus bill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    I agree for the most part. This bill, in its present form, is basicly a spending bill and any job creation will be primarily short term.

    I am not big on sending people "welfare" money as it will be mainly used for paying down debt or savings. Both great things, but in an cash strapped economy we need spending, not savings or even investments.

    I think payroll tax cuts should goto business, mainly small ones, with a smaller cut going to large businesses. These cuts would result in a HUGE decrease in costs per man hour and for many of these businesses may result in a few hirings and will definately result in far fewer layoffs.

    lol, finally...we agree on something. although, i do believe that short term jobs will give people the opportunity to spend money. at the rate that we're losing jobs, SOMETHING is better than nothing....we've yet to bottom out on this downward spiral.

    i'm also not totally against investments. due to the fact that the credit market is hurting (people being overwhelmed with debt doesn't help that situation EITHER), investments can provide a little room to breathe...especially for small businesses. when you have major corporations like circuit city going out of business, i don't think A LOT of small businesses can survive this environment at its current state either (depending on the particular area of work).

    lastly, i think the bill should get a lot more focus on the transportation industry (specifically the railroads). if you sit back and think about ...that could generate some SERIOUS money & jobs. the railroad is the lifeline to EVERYTHING...from public transportation to the transportation of goods (for businesses, the military, etc.). not to mention, railroads are EXTREMELY fuel efficient. the railroad played a MAJOR ROLE in the development of our country in the first place, and did a hell of a lot for the economy back in the late 1800s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    lol, finally...we agree on something.
    Just by chance it had to happen eventually.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    although, i do believe that short term jobs will give people the opportunity to spend money.
    Short term jobs are all fine and dandy, but not at a cost of 275k per job according to the numbers supplied by the CBO.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    at the rate that we're losing jobs, SOMETHING is better than nothing....we've yet to bottom out on this downward spiral.
    I agree that something is better than nothing, but the wrong thing could possibly push us over the edge into a full blown depression. This is the only reason Obama is willing to work with Republicans too. He can use their amendments as a scapegoat if this bill doesnt work.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    i'm also not totally against investments. due to the fact that the credit market is hurting (people being overwhelmed with debt doesn't help that situation EITHER), investments can provide a little room to breathe...especially for small businesses. when you have major corporations like circuit city going out of business, i don't think A LOT of small businesses can survive this environment at its current state either (depending on the particular area of work).
    Investments help, but mainstreet is not affected much by investments and that is where we need to start in rebuilding our economy. When main street solidifies it will trickle up to the largest of corporations by providing jobs and incomes to people who will also invest and buy from major corporations.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    lastly, i think the bill should get a lot more focus on the transportation industry (specifically the railroads). if you sit back and think about ...that could generate some SERIOUS money & jobs. the railroad is the lifeline to EVERYTHING...from public transportation to the transportation of goods (for businesses, the military, etc.). not to mention, railroads are EXTREMELY fuel efficient. the railroad played a MAJOR ROLE in the development of our country in the first place, and did a hell of a lot for the economy back in the late 1800s.
    Transportation is a great place to put the money because its a revolving market. By the time all of the projects are done to bring all the roads, bridges,etc up to standard, most will need much of the work updated.

    I agree (thats twice) that railroads are a geat place to invest heavily as that would appease the tree humpers also by making public transportation more feasible. They are also economical for major corporations to ship huge quantities of material that is not time sensative.

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    yall heard anything about this high speed rail or something thats going to be worked on or proposed? the Beltline or something??

    i caught a quick glimpse of in on the news last night before bed....
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