Slavery you can believe in..

[willum14pb]

Well, my goodwill is slowly deteriorating

http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

Originally Posted by President Obama
a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year

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Originally Posted by 13th Amendment
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I love how the first "black" president is immediately pushing mandatory required labor.

[jwrape]

[QUOTE=willum14pb]Well, my goodwill is slowly deteriorating

http://www.change.gov/americaserves/


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WOW!, that will never fly. Unbelieveable.

[JITB]

Obama to implement mandatory community service for students?

I LOVE IT EVEN MORE WHEN IDIOTS POST IDIOTIC THINGS AND ITS JUST MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE IDIOTS! ESPECIALLY WHEN THE IDIOTS ONLY QUOTE HALF OF WHATS SAID. AND THAN THE OTHER IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE IT WITHOUT READING ABOUT WHAT THE FIRST IDIOT POSTED.






thats what i love...

[jwrape]

Obama to implement mandatory community service for students?

I LOVE IT EVEN MORE WHEN IDIOTS POST IDIOTIC THINGS AND ITS JUST MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE IDIOTS! ESPECIALLY WHEN THE IDIOTS ONLY QUOTE HALF OF WHATS SAID. AND THAN THE OTHER IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE IT WITHOUT READING ABOUT WHAT THE FIRST IDIOT POSTED.






thats what i love...

No need to call names. I read it.

[JITB]

No need to call names. I read it.

lol my bad, i was on a roll.. i couldnt help it...

[jwrape]

As posted on the other thread, I can see making it an option for discounted tution in exchange, that would actually be great, but making it maditory, I don't agree with. Although I think it would be good for kids to do community service, I don't think it should be "required". The worst part about that statement is making programs for 55+ retied to participate in community service. By 55 I would hope that EVERYONE would agree you shouldn't be forced to work if you earned your retirement.

[JITB]

As posted on the other thread, I can see making it an option for discounted tution in exchange, that would actually be great, but making it maditory, I don't agree with. Although I think it would be good for kids to do community service, I don't think it should be "required". The worst part about that statement is making programs for 55+ retied to participate in community service. By 55 I would hope that EVERYONE would agree you shouldn't be forced to work if you earned your retirement.

its not mandatory! but it is mandatory in order to get the 4k for school every year..

[jwrape]

The "require" messes with me.

[willum14pb]

its not mandatory! but it is mandatory in order to get the 4k for school every year..

which is stupid. hard work/study should suffice. That many hours will take away from valuable education time. He wants to make students work harder and people who generate wealth pay for lazy people. This will hinder a lot of students from completing school if they're working a job/going to school full time just to pay for everything. But you wouldn't know that because you have a GED and at BEST an associates in baking cookies. This is a big deal if you're trying to accomplish something in your life and your parents aren't loaded.

[Alan®]

which is stupid. hard work/study should suffice. That many hours will take away from valuable education time. He wants to make students work harder and people who generate wealth pay for lazy people. This will hinder a lot of students from completing school if they're working a job/going to school full time just to pay for everything. But you wouldn't know that because you have a GED and at BEST an associates in baking cookies. This is a big deal if you're trying to accomplish something in your life and your parents aren't loaded.

this is a repost thats already being discussed. go in and read my responses and tell me what you think.

[BanginJimmy]

Well, my goodwill is slowly deteriorating

http://www.change.gov/americaserves/


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I love how the first "black" president is immediately pushing mandatory required labor.

If you are going to quote, at least quote the damn thing right and not modify it to fit you needs.

From the link YOU posted.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

I have VERY serious problems with the middle school part and the high school part unless that is restricted to seniors.

I cant believe you made me stick up for Obama with your BS thread.

[ixlr8]

ahhhhh fresh air

[blackshine007]

Well, my goodwill is slowly deteriorating

http://www.change.gov/americaserves/


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I love how the first "black" president is immediately pushing mandatory required labor.

WoW. The fact that Jimmy actually defended Obama because of your dumbassity of a post. You should erase and try over again. This makes you look bad

[pInoy_R]

To be honest, I think this is a great idea. Its not like high schoolers now a days have a real "Summer". Summer is a month and a half out of school?

Some places don't have breaks. Community service isn't bad, might learn something for all those who this effects. I have siblings and seen many kids just wasting away in front of the TV or talking on the phone. Not downing it, just saying a few hours out of our time or anyones time to make the environment we live in suitable for everyone to live in gets for me.

[1slowLt1]

What about college students that have to work Full time and go to school full time?
100 hours a year is a lot of time to do free labor imo.

Would the Hope Scholarship still be an option since it is a state thing?

[aguynamedpat]

What about college students that have to work Full time and go to school full time?
100 hours a year is a lot of time to do free labor imo.

Would the Hope Scholarship still be an option since it is a state thing?

That was my concern also. I work full time and go to school, and I could not imagine doing 100+ hours of community service with my schedule. And I made sure I only go to school ONE day for 6 hours and I even made myself take online classes to ensure I can work full time and pay bills. I could not imagine going to school 3 days a week plus working full time PLUS 100 hrs community service.

[jwrape]

That was my concern also. I work full time and go to school, and I could not imagine doing 100+ hours of community service with my schedule. And I made sure I only go to school ONE day for 6 hours and I even made myself take online classes to ensure I can work full time and pay bills. I could not imagine going to school 3 days a week plus working full time PLUS 100 hrs community service.

^^^^Point and case.^^^^ Right there. Prime example of why this will never work. It will put to much of a burden on already loaded down College students. Lets face it, if you made it to college and your not rich then you have to work a full time job to support yourself and your student loans and your houseing as I did. When i went to College I had absolutely NO time cause I was either at school, studying for school or working to pay for school.
100 hours would have made me miss out on school.

[umairejaz]

at $4,000/100 hrs your making roughly $40 an hour..... find a job that pays higher then that, then why the fuck are you in school, lol.

As a college student I say, GIVE ME COMMUNITY SERVICE at $40/hr!!

I will have completed over 310 hrs of Community service THIS semster alone, plus two part time jobs and 15 credit hr schedule. I don't have that much free time but its not THAT rough.

[jwrape]

I don't know if this has been noticed yet but yesterday the Obama site said

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55"

WOW! They changed the site from yesterday. Yesterday it was quoted, today it reads this
Today it reads

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start."

Somebody must have jumped his case. That is simply amazing...
The sh*t is already hitting the fan.

[jwrape]

I emailed the site with this:

I am curious why the web page changed on your "America Serves" page? The two different versions are quoted below. One says Obama will require a community service and the other says he will set a goal. The one latter also states there will now be a Tax incentive for this service and the previous mentioned nothing of incentives only that it was "required"
This is a drastic change to me. Can you please comment on these changes? Why the site was changed over night?
Thank you,
Jason


"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55"

Today it reads

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start."

I will post any response I get from the campaign....

[Kevykev]

I see why America and most for the world is the way it is, everyone is "For DOLO" (for SELF). We don't know how to be any other way. Making it this mandatory is unconstitutional and would be fked up but the Idea of encouraging it is outstanding.

I heard that getting involved in the community can change your life, that's something I've been pushing myself to do for years.

Part of the reason why some people will look down on it is because "Community Service" is synonymous with punishment for wrong doings. You might think that it'll consist of picking up trash or mowing public fields (which some of the ignorant pricks on and beyond this site need to do) but its WAAAAYYY more than those things you feeble-minded, short sighted people. *

My girl used to help out at children's in the cancer ward, my aunt helped with breast cancer awareness, my brother volunteered at the local YMCA. All these selfless acts are very rewarding I hear.

I am so NOT supporting OBAMA on this, I am Supporting the Idea.

When I think about what it would take to REALLY turn a country around...It stuff like this, stuff where more than just the government gets involved, it's the PEOPLE!

But fk that "you" rather, sit on your ass and just hope that things go differently.

no i'm not angry - just added some power words/phrases for effectiveness.

[jwrape]

I see why America and most for the world is the way it is, everyone is "For DOLO" (for SELF). We don't know how to be any other way. Making it this mandatory is unconstitutional and would be fked up but the Idea of encouraging it is outstanding.

I heard that getting involved in the community can change your life, that's something I've been pushing myself to do for years.

Part of the reason why some people will look down on it is because "Community Service" is synonymous with punishment for wrong doings. You might think that it'll consist of picking up trash or mowing public fields (which some of the ignorant pricks on and beyond this site need to do) but its WAAAAYYY more than those things you feeble-minded, short sighted people. *

My girl used to help out at children's in the cancer ward, my aunt helped with breast cancer awareness, my brother volunteered at the local YMCA. All these selfless acts are very rewarding I hear.

I am so NOT supporting OBAMA on this, I am Supporting the Idea.

When I think about what it would take to REALLY turn a country around...It stuff like this, stuff where more than just the government gets involved, it's the PEOPLE!

But fk that "you" rather, sit on your ass and just hope that things go differently.

no i'm not angry - just added some power words/phrases for effectiveness.

I absolutely agree! The idea of it is great. I think people need to get involved with their communities and make a difference. I personally am involved with a charity organization myself. It makes you feel great to help people.

The pieces i don't like are the orignal text on the site where it stated he will "require" community service and there was no mention of tax incentive to perform this service, it sounded as if he would just require it of everyone in school.
The other part is the amount of service for college students and the retired service. First, I know college is a big party to some but to others such as myself, I was working 40+ hrs and BARELY scraping by and really didn't have any time to study. I went to schoolat 7:30am, an hour away, then got out roughly around 2pm, drove to work by 3pm and worked to 11pm every night, even on weekends, just to pay rent and eat. I had no time for an additional 100 hrs to fit. I was already beat down and barely made a B average. Second, if I make it to retirement and can afford not to work, I sure as hell don't want my Government telling me I have community service I need to complete every year.

Now, today the orginal text has been changed on his site from "require" to "set a goal", I don't like that..... That for one shows he's not making decisions and sticking with them, good or bad. It also shows he can be influenced by bad press....

Now, I'm not ignorant to that fact that it could have been and most likely was typed by one of his representatives and then subsequentially changed after it was brought to their attention, but still....he is responsible for everything that is put out to the public about him. He should know what his web site states. If he didn't write it, he should have had a better hold on the content written on his site, espeically when he will be under such a large microscope from here on out.

[Kevykev]

I absolutely agree! The idea of it is great. I think people need to get involved with their communities and make a difference. I personally am involved with a charity organization myself. It makes you feel great to help people.
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Now, I'm not ignorant to that fact that it could have been and most likely was typed by one of his representatives and then subsequentially changed after it was brought to their attention, but still.. .

It's people like you that inspire me to do better within the community. I hear the rewards are unmatched, nothing that money could ever purchase.


You proved that you are thorough by issuing that last statement, you're right he will always be under a microscope but he knew that going into this. There are so many people involved, I would say the same for Mccain. People are literal that will go by what it says and not thing of what it means in some cases lol. Glad you're not ignorant.

[4dmin]

Honestly i don't understand what the problem is with this? There are tons of countries in around the world that require such service. Shit a vast majority thinks everyone should serve in the military. Getting the young involved in the community not only broadens their horizons but would allow them to raise money for college. 4000$ would certainly pay for 1-2 years at a community college. This is an excellent idea and only lazy ungrateful Americans would see this as a burden for their children.

[jwrape]

Glad you're not ignorant.

[blacknightteg]

i do not see why the idea is bad at all. from the very beginning Obama said he wanted to get the country involve back in the country. meaning he wanted to get the people back into the workings of the country and our government. that's what our country should be and was in the beginning until so much corruption began. i have a problem when people say things that he want are going towards socialism or communism, what have you. do you people not realize that there are so many things in our country that already present socialistic idea's. if they made those things private industries, no one could ever afford anything. I happen to think his idea of 100hrs of community service for 4k of college money is an awesome idea. people need to grow up. this country isnt run by old farts anymore, the younger generations elected obama not the older. its finally moving in a new direction

[jwrape]

Honestly i don't understand what the problem is with this? There are tons of countries in around the world that require such service. Shit a vast majority thinks everyone should serve in the military. Getting the young involved in the community not only broadens their horizons but would allow them to raise money for college. 4000$ would certainly pay for 1-2 years at a community college. This is an excellent idea and only lazy ungrateful Americans would see this as a burden for their children.

I almost agree with your statement here. Once again, public service is a great and rewarding thing to do no matter who you are, if you help someone without cause or being provoked it is a great feeling inside when you provide food, or clothes, or even a community center for someone less fortunate to use and enjoy.
No matter how hard or tough a person you are, if you have it in you to help someone or "Pay it forward" then it definately comes back around to you somehow.
AND the tuition incentive is a great idea and would be a great hand off for the community service. My compliments to Obama for this thought, if it comes to pass.

The part, I (we) have issue with is the "require" part. If it's an option then it remains your option, if it is manditory then it's no longer your optio and it is like many other countries and NOT the United States of America where we are free to do as we please within the law and live as we choose.

Just because it is a good thing to do, does not mean it's a good thing to mandate for all americans to do. Giving of your time should be just that, a gift of your time. It should not be made to be a job or requirement of ever year of your life. That is a socialist view and that is the view of the other countries you are referring to. It's not the American way.

America is unique in that we have the freedoms that other countries do not have, changing these freedoms even a little bit can cause a snowball affect and lead to a country we no longer recognize.

[4dmin]

The part, I (we) have issue with is the "require" part. If it's an option then it remains your option, if it is manditory then it's no longer your optio and it is like many other countries and NOT the United States of America where we are free to do as we please within the law and live as we choose.

I would love to know the % of people who diagree w/ this that are PROLIFE.

Honestly education is not FREE. I don't have any kids and my tax dollars pay for other peoples kids to got to school. Fine don't want to be required home school your children and allow them to grow up thinking that everything the gov does is FREE and they shouldn't have to work to support their community.

[AirMax95]

at $4,000/100 hrs your making roughly $40 an hour..... find a job that pays higher then that, then why the fuck are you in school, lol.

As a college student I say, GIVE ME COMMUNITY SERVICE at $40/hr!!

I will have completed over 310 hrs of Community service THIS semster alone, plus two part time jobs and 15 credit hr schedule. I don't have that much free time but its not THAT rough.

Exactly! I graduated college with 2 degrees while holding down fulll-time job, while also doing community service when I could. IF anyone sees a problem doing community service for a $4000 tax credit, you are a lazy fucking bum. Its an option that EVERY college student should be flocking to do. Shit, it makes me want to rush my app for my masters degree, hoping this applies to Grad school! Thats $4k in my pocket I hope, lol

For the middle/high schoolers, 50hrs is a cake walk! Most kids end up in a wierd ass summer camp where they attract STD's from the camp counsler. After school, many kids stay at school waiting for their parents to pick them up.

Lazy ass people. I am willing to bet that many of the opposers have never done any amount of community that they were not forced to do. Furthermore, this will help keep the younger kids out of trouble by giving them another way to occupy their time, and build character.

[jwrape]

i do not see why the idea is bad at all. from the very beginning Obama said he wanted to get the country involve back in the country. meaning he wanted to get the people back into the workings of the country and our government. that's what our country should be and was in the beginning until so much corruption began.

I agree

do you people not realize that there are so many things in our country that already present socialistic idea's.

Yes, agreed once again...that is part of my argument as well.

if they made those things private industries, no one could ever afford anything.

Can't agree here, with private indutries comes competition which will regulate and drive prices down, that is just the way American industry works. It's only when there is one company that provides all the services and has the monopoly a service that the price flies through the roof because they have no competition and therefore can charge what ever they want. It's supply and demand.

I happen to think his idea of 100hrs of community service for 4k of college money is an awesome idea.

Once again, not knocking this part of the idea. This was the second edition of Text Obama's site stated.
The original made no statement of tuition re-embursement.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by delveloping a plan to require 50 hours of community servicein middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

[jwrape]

I would love to know the % of people who diagree w/ this that are PROLIFE.

Ok... you are going WAY off on a tangent here. This has nothing to do with the other. You cannot lump one with the other.

Honestly education is not FREE. I don't have any kids and my tax dollars pay for other peoples kids to got to school.

I can one up ya there, I have 2 kids, pay for public schooling with my tax dollars and then pay on top of that to put my kids in private school because the public schools in my area aren't even accredited and even if they were, the class of people that attend those schools are not who I want my daughters around.

To the point again, I don't have a problem with the exchange of community serivce for $4k of tuition, great idea.... The original statement said nothing about tuition, it only stated "require" service...

Fine don't want to be required home school your children and allow them to grow up thinking that everything the gov does is FREE and they shouldn't have to work to support their community.

We already pay taxes to support our community, that's definately NOT free, matter of fact it's damn right expensive and getting worse, if you want to do more find a community center, charity, etc... give your time as you see fit. I already do. Government: Don't TELL me to complete manditory service, that's not freedom, that's something not called freedom... That's BIG government.

[4dmin]

Ok... you are going WAY off on a tangent here. This has nothing to do with the other. You cannot lump one with the other.

rep supporters always preach LESS GOV yet they stand on some of the most infringing policies

[jwrape]

yet they stand on some of the most infringing policies

^^That can be said for both parties.^^
The pro-life/pro-choice thing is not related to this at all. I am assuming you would be surprised at my side of that argument if they are indeed related in your thoughts.