Is Palin really the idiot or is it..?

[tony]

I guess people forget that when this whole Al Qaida thing started Iran was a U.S ally in Afghanistan, now they're evil and supposedly want to kill us.

[Vteckidd]

I guess people forget that when this whole Al Qaida thing started Iran was a U.S ally in Afghanistan, now they're evil and supposedly want to kill us.

well we didnt really trust them, we were bigger enemies of the Soviet Union.

IIRC We also supplied Saddam Weapons at one time

Things an leaders change

[tony]

well we didnt really trust them, we were bigger enemies of the Soviet Union.

IIRC We also supplied Saddam Weapons at one time

Things an leaders change

I meant in 2003, not even 5 years ago

[ash7]

I meant in 2003, not even 5 years ago

In 2003, Ahmadinejad wasn't in power in Iran...

His religion teaches about the coming of the "12th Imam" (christian equivalent of The Christ's return). According to the scriptures he believes in, this can only happen when all the the "infidels" (Jews, aka Israel) have been removed from the earth.

His threats against Israel and repeated abuses of the U.N. are just a couple of the reasons our country broke all ties with theirs. It's all a very touchy situation... regardless of anyones feelings about whos religion is correct or "they're people too!..." there will be a conflict over all of this eventually - and quite honestly, I'd like our nation to win it. And we will do that not by talking to them and perhaps getting them to change their minds, but by force.

True peace cannot be had unless one ideology wins - i'd like to be on the winning team.

-jonathan

[tony]

In 2003, Ahmadinejad wasn't in power in Iran...

And he still isn't, Ali Khamenei is the Surpeme Leader of Iran. Focusing on Ahmadinejad is like saying Dick Cheney is the leader of the United States.

[SpecV_Scott]

regardless of anyones feelings about whos religion is correct or "they're people too!..." there will be a conflict over all of this eventually - and quite honestly, I'd like our nation to win it. And we will do that not by talking to them and perhaps getting them to change their minds, but by force.

True peace cannot be had unless one ideology wins - i'd like to be on the winning team.

-jonathan

So basically, you're saying that the American, Christian-based society, and the Islamic societies of the world cannot possibly coexist on the same planet, and there will eventually be a war between the two?

If this is your belief, I don't know how you sleep at night. This is the kind of thinking that CAUSES wars, which is exactly what you're suggesting. Look at the last preemptive war we started. Do you think it was really worth the 4,000 American casualties and practically $1Trillion that it has cost to take Saddam out of power? Iraq and Iran fought each other for 10 years, and neither side won...meaning Iran is just as formidable as Iraq was....but Iran hasn't been under intense sanctions like Iraq was in the 12 years before we invaded it. Plus, it will be all too easy for Iran to convince it's people that America is on a giant crusade to rid the world of Islam.

If you think the last 5 yeas of war in Iraq, or the last 6 years of war in Afghanistan have sucked, just wait until we try to invade Iran preemptively. It would most definitely send the message to the entire Muslim world that we are out to get them. Then there will not be thousands, but millions of Jihadists dying to fight Americans...and they will do whatever they can to make that happen. There's no doubt that our military is the best on the planet...I should know because I was in it for 8 years. But once the official Iranian military is dismantled, just as we learned in Iraq, the REAL war will begin.

So think about how many more Americans will have to die. Think about how much deeper into the crapper our economy will go. Think about how bad our image is to the rest of the world now, and multiply that times 10 (contrary to popular belief, we actually do need to interact with the rest of the world). Think about all of these things when you tell yourself that it's OK to arbitrarily invade countries without giving diplomacy a chance.


Alright, my feet hurt from standing on this soapbox for so long. Oh, and BTW, I'm not just talking out of my ass. Besides the fact that I worked intel for 8 years in the AF, I'm now a Senior, political science (international studies) major at Augusta State University. I've done some homework.

[ash7]

And he still isn't, Ali Khamenei is the Surpeme Leader of Iran. Focusing on Ahmadinejad is like saying Dick Cheney is the leader of the United States.

I never said he was the HMFIC, would you not agree that he is indeed in a position of great power?

So basically, you're saying that the American, Christian-based society, and the Islamic societies of the world cannot possibly coexist on the same planet, and there will eventually be a war between the two?

take a look at history, when has there ever been peace between these two ideals? the answer is: never

If this is your belief, I don't know how you sleep at night. This is the kind of thinking that CAUSES wars, which is exactly what you're suggesting. Look at the last preemptive war we started. Do you think it was really worth the 4,000 American casualties and practically $1Trillion that it has cost to take Saddam out of power? Iraq and Iran fought each other for 10 years, and neither side won...meaning Iran is just as formidable as Iraq was....but Iran hasn't been under intense sanctions like Iraq was in the 12 years before we invaded it. Plus, it will be all too easy for Iran to convince it's people that America is on a giant crusade to rid the world of Islam.

1) I sleep quite well, thanks
2) Yes, it is (and was) worth freeing an entire nation of people from underneath the dictatorship of Saddam.
3) The last war we DIDNT (WW2) start and joined in just in the nick of time cost over 400,000 american lives to preserve liberty.

So think about how many more Americans will have to die. Think about how much deeper into the crapper our economy will go. Think about how bad our image is to the rest of the world now, and multiply that times 10 (contrary to popular belief, we actually do need to interact with the rest of the world). Think about all of these things when you tell yourself that it's OK to arbitrarily invade countries without giving diplomacy a chance.

So when would you propose that this "diplomacy" period has run out? When is enough enough?

Alright, my feet hurt from standing on this soapbox for so long. Oh, and BTW, I'm not just talking out of my ass. Besides the fact that I worked intel for 8 years in the AF, I'm now a Senior, political science (international studies) major at Augusta State University. I've done some homework.

That is terrific, having served in the AF myself as a crew chief on 15s and 22s. We used to make fun of you guys with desk jobs in "intel." lol