not that this will ever settle the "great debate"

[Allstar3.8T]

This is from 18turbo.com, the registry of the quickest 1.8Ts and I included the software brand the owner lists using on the run;

This is just the facts, I am not sayin anything, draw your own conclusions...
heres the link btw;
http://www.18turbo.com/enter.html
11 SECOND CARS
11.851 @ 118.4 Mph - Pat Brown's 2001 GTI 1.8T - REVO
11.871 @ 117.3 Mph - APTunings 2002 GTi 1.8T - APR
12 SECOND CARS -

12.200 @ 117.0 Mph - Billy Tylaska's 2000 Golf 1.8T - APR
12.230 @ 113.9 Mph - Ric Fish's 2001 GTi 1.8T -APR
12.393 @ 112.9 Mph - Kevin Moore's 2001 GTI 1.8T - REVO
12.418 @ 117.3 Mph - Troy Casteel's 2001 Jetta 1.8T - ATP
12.512 @ 118.3 Mph - Steve Soeder's 2002 GTi 1.8T - REVO
12.584 @ 109.9 Mph - Sam's 2001 Jetta 1.8t - APR
12.609 @ 112.4 Mph - Nick's 2000 GTi 1.8T - APR
12.790 @ 113.3 Mph - Steve's 2002 GTi 1.8T - BCS
12.830 @ 109.0 Mph - Andrew's 2000 New Beetle 1.8T -GIAC
12.911 @ 110.33 Mph - Sam's 01 Jetta 1.8t - APR
12.961 @ 109.3 Mph - Tom Vortsman's 2001 GTi 1.8T - Upsolute
12.997 @ 104.0 Mph - Jonathan R's 2k Automatic Jetta 1.8T -GIAC

13 SECOND CARS
13.079 @ 109.4 mph - Tyrolkid's 2000 GTi 1.8T -GIAC
13.113 @ 109.14 mph - Rich Righetti's 2002 GTI 337 -APR
13.180 @ 107.4 mph - Stephen 2003 GTI 1.8T -REVO
13.205 @ 111.0 mph - Matt McClosky 2001 GTI GLX **VR6 - N/A
13.216 @ 108.5 mph - Sam's 3,145 lb 2001 Jetta 1.8T -APR
13.228 @ 103.43 mph - Adam Dismukes's 2003 GTI 1.8t -GIAC
13.230 @ 113.3 mph - Shaun Ledgerwood's 2001 GTi 1.8T -GIAC
13.253 @ 103.6 mph - Louie Lozano's 2002 GTi 1.8T Upsolute
13.255 @ 103.9 mph - Pat Brown's 2001 GTi 1.8T -GIAC
13.440 @ 105.0 mph - Darren's 2000 New Beetle 1.8T - APR
13.499 @ 101.7 mph - Drew Hile's 2001 GTi 1.8T -APR

I didnt list all the 13s, it was APR next, then GIAC, then Neuspeed, 13.5 was a good breaking point.

[Julio]

nice post and nice info to know.

But what other mods are these guys running?

I would really like to see, the same car with only chip ( diffrent brands ) go a it and see.

once you start adding other mods I think is diffrent.

[benwaballs]

APR

[SpeedMonkey]

APR > GIAC

[4dmin]

nice post and nice info to know.

But what other mods are these guys running?

I would really like to see, the same car with only chip ( diffrent brands ) go a it and see.

once you start adding other mods I think is diffrent.

all of the top cars are running bt, naws, slicks, interior, and custom setups, so software brand at that point is pointless... if i was going BT i would simply run standalone and i know for a fact any local shop her could build a 11sec 1.8t w/o major brand software, but then again $ = everything.

out of the box software + bolt ons, i haven't seen a more aggressive software then GIAC and that includes all 4 major brands (as well as APR race program) and its dyno proven to be more bang for the buck.

[Chuckster]

That crap is odl as fuck that site hasnt been updated for liek a year. Actually i just havnt been on that site in liek 4 months but it wouldnt surprise me if its still the same

[Allstar3.8T]

Old or new, its still factual....
In all honesty, from what I can see, APR kits make your car fast, but Adam Ds GTI w/ GIAC is the quickest on stock snail,
I think its safe to say drivers win close races more than cars.

[4dmin]

Old or new, its still factual....
In all honesty, from what I can see, APR kits make your car fast, but Adam Ds GTI w/ GIAC is the quickest on stock snail,
I think its safe to say drivers win close races more than cars.

everything is driver for sure in racing, but power is power... for the normal 1.8t tuner who will only spend under 5k on his ride, GIAC takes the win. sorry but i go by the numbers, i've seen first hand every single chip make on the same dynojet and guess who is still making more power... yup. also from what i know and what was posted on vortex when i questioned about it i got pretty much the highest numbers and definately highest here... and i don't even have everything done i can do

shit look at i made stock k03 220+whp/280+lbs julio w/ a stock k04 + giac alone he makes 220whp/270lbs and it will make more... and john w/ stg III + apr made 260whp/290lbs... so bang for buck? i'm not knocking his setup, he by far should have the fastest 1.8t around here, but numbers for $ GIAC wins!

[SpeedMonkey]

everything is driver for sure in racing, but power is power... for the normal 1.8t tuner who will only spend under 5k on his ride, GIAC takes the win. sorry but i go by the numbers, i've seen first hand every single chip make on the same dynojet and guess who is still making more power... yup. also from what i know and what was posted on vortex when i questioned about it i got pretty much the highest numbers and definately highest here... and i don't even have everything done i can do

shit look at i made stock k03 220+whp/280+lbs julio w/ a stock k04 + giac alone he makes 220whp/270lbs and it will make more... and john w/ stg III + apr made 260whp/290lbs... so bang for buck? i'm not knocking his setup, he by far should have the fastest 1.8t around here, but numbers for $ GIAC wins!

thats like arguing a integra Type R being the best bang for the buck compared to a Zonda pagani F. in the end.. what talks is power down to the ground.. fuck what you spent or what it took for you to get there... in cars $$$ doesnt talk, power does.

[4dmin]

thats like arguing a integra Type R being the best bang for the buck compared to a Zonda pagani F. in the end.. what talks is power down to the ground.. fuck what you spent or what it took for you to get there... in cars $$$ doesnt talk, power does.

no shit dumbass your way over your head in this thread get the fuck out before i ban you for riding my dick again

[gtikid]

thats like arguing a integra Type R being the best bang for the buck compared to a Zonda pagani F. in the end.. what talks is power down to the ground.. fuck what you spent or what it took for you to get there... in cars $$$ doesnt talk, power does.

WTF are you talking about?

[benwaballs]

and john w/ stg III + apr made 260whp/290lbs... !

only stg 3 no +
265whp 294lbs damn trying to steal them 5 hp from me.

giac= k03/k04
revo= custom BT
APR= APR BT kit

if your going to do a big turbo down the road you might as well do REVO.

[4dmin]

only stg 3 no +
265whp 294lbs damn trying to steal them 5 hp from me.

giac= k03/k04
revo= custom BT
APR= APR BT kit

if your going to do a big turbo down the road you might as well do REVO.

lol na i actually forgot the exact number i figure it was close, i est mine/julio numbers for the same both of us have over what i posted

and i agree:

giac = k03/k04
revo = custom BT
APR = APR BT kit

i still laugh about the VW scene b/c its very very slow as far as tuning goes... they just hit 10s this year w/ the 1.8t , it only took them 6 years on this motor to do it. i think if some more japanese oriented companys started working on these euro platforms we would be way further ahead then were we are. its hard enough to find a good shop to work on your euro let alone tune/build one

[Allstar3.8T]

My 209.6 and 259.2 w/ APR 100 oct and a Arospeed ""P-flow wanna-be" was nothing to sneeze at though, nor was a 14.1 w/ this set up at 100.00 mph. Ive seen more power run way slower.
In the end get what you want, Paul wants GIAC, and you to have it too, I am an APR fan, nothing against GIAC except cost.(I was quoted $750 for the same chip I got for less than $500 from APR)

[4dmin]

My 209.6 and 259.2 w/ APR 100 oct and a Arospeed ""P-flow wanna-be" was nothing to sneeze at though, nor was a 14.1 w/ this set up at 100.00 mph. Ive seen more power run way slower.
In the end get what you want, Paul wants GIAC, and you to have it too, I am an APR fan, nothing against GIAC except cost.(I was quoted $750 for the same chip I got for less than $500 from APR)

i don't know where you ever got quoted 750 for giac b/c the pump program is 500, i don't know a single person who paid 750 unless they have a selector box w/ multistage program. actually i've gotten guys deals on here as low as 1/2 price.

i've dyno'd with every chip even the race apr best i've seen anyone else do was 210/254(apr race + bolt ons) unless they have giac... that is on the same dyno as me so there isn't any discrepancy on those numbers. i make the most i have yet to see a higher dyno including on vortex for k03

[Allstar3.8T]

i don't know where you ever got quoted 750 for giac b/c the pump program is 500, i don't know a single person who paid 750 unless they have a selector box w/ multistage program. actually i've gotten guys deals on here as low as 1/2 price.

i've dyno'd with every chip even the race apr best i've seen anyone else do was 210/254(apr race + bolt ons) unless they have giac... that is on the same dyno as me so there isn't any discrepancy on those numbers. i make the most i have yet to see a higher dyno including on vortex for k03

Some dude at EPG quoted me that before he realized I already had APR, I wanted stock, 93,100 oct programs. (It wasnt Brian)

The only "proof" I have is a pic and also Adam D was standing there w/ his jaw on the ground when I did dyno mine....I wish I'd redyno'd it w/ exhaust , DP, FMIC, N75 Race, stronger clutch, and all the little BS I had addded. I must have had the freak APR car. I dyno'd at dynolab btw, It was a dyno day I set up for Durties in like Dec 03.

[4dmin]

Some dude at EPG quoted me that before he realized I already had APR, I wanted stock, 93,100 oct programs. (It wasnt Brian)

The only "proof" I have is a pic and also Adam D was standing there w/ his jaw on the ground when I did dyno mine....I wish I'd redyno'd it w/ exhaust , DP, FMIC, N75 Race, stronger clutch, and all the little BS I had addded. I must have had the freak APR car. I dyno'd at dynolab btw, It was a dyno day I set up for Durties in like Dec 03.

i'm not disputing your #'s but we all know every dyno is different, i've done 2 euro dyno days at batlground and always the same i will say i've been lucky to be able to have access to a nice dyno whenever i want so i can tell you down to the part what does what

[benwaballs]

every dyno will give diff numbers. i have seen a dyno show + 30whp more than another one same car same mods. if you wanna see your real numbers find a mustang dyno

[Julio]

223 hp / 276 tq, Im like benwaballs.. give me my pony's =] lol

[SpeedMonkey]

no shit dumbass your way over your head in this thread get the fuck out before i ban you for riding my dick again

go ahead, i know where you live.

[SpeedMonkey]

223 hp / 276 tq, Im like benwaballs.. give me my pony's =] lol

^ 2nd quickest VW i have ever encountered. healthy torque #'s

[Decker1.8t]

I love this thread.

[4dmin]

go ahead, i know where you live.

i don't give a fuck i know where you work

[Allstar3.8T]

How much for a 2.0T 93/stock chip then?!

[4dmin]

i'll call for you if you really want me to...?

[Allstar3.8T]

I dont mind using GIAC/EPG, its just as close to get and if the price is right I am good. The thing that always kills me is GIAC and APR are SOOO close, APRs competitors always bash APR....so its about association to me, and I dont generally support companies that bash others to get ahead, Its a losing strategy. (Brian never has himself in my presence....a punk kid that worked there did, and I wont hold EPG responsible for his ignorance)
I'll let you know, I am neck deep in wheel ads trying to settle that first.
Thx
GC

[4dmin]

I dont mind using GIAC/EPG, its just as close to get and if the price is right I am good. The thing that always kills me is GIAC and APR are SOOO close, APRs competitors always bash APR....so its about association to me, and I dont generally support companies that bash others to get ahead, Its a losing strategy. (Brian never has himself in my presence....a punk kid that worked there did, and I wont hold EPG responsible for his ignorance)
I'll let you know, I am neck deep in wheel ads trying to settle that first.
Thx
GC

well from what i know there is some beef between APR and EPG, this goes way back from what i know i was told there was some type of confrontation between the two like APR starting shit w/ Brian. now i heard this 2nd hand from a old EPG supporter so i can not say for 110% what exactly happened. I will check for you greg and let ya know.

[Allstar3.8T]

I had heard EPG was gonna be an APR dealer, but there was a prob, therefore makin EPG feel screwed, so the only brand left at that point that had a close following was GIAC, so thats the force drivin them. I actually DO understand that feelin, I was just on the otherside...but I am over all that BS...
Its all good, I just need more power, and since the car needs 91 oct minimum, (which means 93 in GA) I may as well chip it and make that fuel earn its value.

[4dmin]

I had heard EPG was gonna be an APR dealer, but there was a prob, therefore makin EPG feel screwed, so the only brand left at that point that had a close following was GIAC, so thats the force drivin them. I actually DO understand that feelin, I was just on the otherside...but I am over all that BS...
Its all good, I just need more power, and since the car needs 91 oct minimum, (which means 93 in GA) I may as well chip it and make that fuel earn its value.

well actually i heard something quite different to the affect of someone trying to start physical shit w/ brian so that was the breaking point.

but i will call B for you tomorrow on the price for software.

[Allstar3.8T]

Cool, I dont care if they are fighting over $, Pride, or kittens, I just wana powah!

[4dmin]

^ lol i feel ya

[SPL_Jetta]

Well im not saying anything bad about either brand, however i heard this from someone, so dont hold it to me, its just what i heard. I heard that GIAC's technology was orginally ripped off from APR technology, and then they tweaked it. Nothing against GIAC, i have it in my car and its not giving me much trouble (just some surging issues that started with the X+), but when i had their socket type chip it was the smoothest and very powerful chip that I have ever felt