not that this will ever settle the "great debate"

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Old or new, its still factual....
In all honesty, from what I can see, APR kits make your car fast, but Adam Ds GTI w/ GIAC is the quickest on stock snail,
I think its safe to say drivers win close races more than cars.

everything is driver for sure in racing, but power is power... for the normal 1.8t tuner who will only spend under 5k on his ride, GIAC takes the win. sorry but i go by the numbers, i've seen first hand every single chip make on the same dynojet and guess who is still making more power... yup. also from what i know and what was posted on vortex when i questioned about it i got pretty much the highest numbers and definately highest here... and i don't even have everything done i can do

shit look at i made stock k03 220+whp/280+lbs julio w/ a stock k04 + giac alone he makes 220whp/270lbs and it will make more... and john w/ stg III + apr made 260whp/290lbs... so bang for buck? i'm not knocking his setup, he by far should have the fastest 1.8t around here, but numbers for $ GIAC wins!