^^^.....fucking bingo
^^^.....fucking bingo
i don't buy all this bullshit about "just get a 600 and try to be responsible"
the guys that know how to ride aren't saying start small to help themselves out!!! they are saying it to TRY to get the newbies to listen. I started on a 600. yes, i dropped that 600. i also took a lot longer to learn than had I ponied up the money to buy a 250 or a 500. I have personally ridden the '08 Ninja 250, I'm 5'7" and about 160 lbs. so not far off from Ant's size. that bike was WAY more fun than my first 600 was, simply because it wasn't so powerful that it scared me. It gave me the ability to take concentration off of just throttle control and think about technique, surroundings, posture, control position, all the IMPORTANT things!!
Anthony, personally bro it is your decision in the end, but please listen to the guys who have been where you are. start smaller than a 600 race replica. this is your first bike, not your last bike. I've wrecked before, I can guarantee you that when you're picking asphalt out of your skin it won't matter how cool that bike looked. it hurts just the same no matter what.
anyone who doesn't agree that it is ALWAYS better to start small is either a dipshit who doesn't ride, or a just plain dipshit with an ego.
Who knows?
This is where the responsibility comes in and respecting the bike. My situation, I read up on all the techniques online like counter steering, etc. I then watched tons of tutorials on youtube. This was a great resource and there are tons of videos from tons of people. So you get to see it at every angle. I think I studied online for a month straight...almost every night. I then signed up for the MSF course at a Harley Davidson dealership. All the info I had already read basically sumed up the class. It allowed me to easily pay attention and learn since I already had learned it and looked up every possible thing I didn't understand. On the coarse we rode the Buell Blast which is a 400cc bike I believe. Riding on it just made everything snap into place. I was by far more advanced then any other person in the class. This was including people that had already been riding!! BTW...this was the first time I have even sat on a bike. During the class, I bought my CBR600RR. After the class and receiving my license, I started in parking lots and around the neiborhood for the first couple of weeks. Then I took it out on the streets for about a week. Then stepped up to the interstate. Because of the steps I took to learn the process, I never once felt scared. As far as falling, you can fall on any bike (including 250's) if you are not careful. So no matter what CC bike you get, it depends on how serious are you taking it. You can start on a 250 and then jump to 600 and kill yourself just as fast as someone that started on a 600. Needless to say, it doesn't matter what cc bike you have or start with, if you are not careful and do not learn the proper way to ride, you are probably going to kill yourself.Originally Posted by hondabuilder
while i agree with you i do have one objection:
would you not agree that starting out small is a big help in lessening the risks? i can't advocate anyone starting out on a race replica bike, no matter how conservative they ride they can't change the fact that these bikes are NOT forgiving to the mistakes a new rider WILL make.
Who knows?
I agree that there is less chance they will be going fast when they wreck. Or less change of wrecking from quick take offs. However, I have seen plenty of people wreck on Ninja 250's. It just might not be as bad as the 600. I just think that no matter what bike you learn on, if you do not take the time to really master it as much as you can prior to getting on the bike, then you are more likely to wreck no matter what you start on. It is like this one guy in my class. He had a 1800cc Harley. It had it for 6 months and was riding it. The only problem he said he was having was going up hills with it. Well, when he got on the Buell Blast, he wreck it 3 times. This other woman had been riding bikes (Harley) for years up to about 2 years ago. She sold her bike and never rode one during that time period. She decided to get another one since her husband loves to ride. She bought a PowerGlide I think it was. Well, she dropped her Buell during the course once and almost did it again another time. The only 2 people (4 in class total) that didn't drop their bikes was myself and this other girl. Both of us were 100% new to it, never rode before. The difference was we were more serious about it because it was new. These other 2 thought they new what they were doing but couldn't handle a bike 1/4th the size/power/weight as what they were normally riding. So you can start off on a 250, get cocky because it is easy and they kill yourself on a 600 just as fast.Originally Posted by hondabuilder
I look at the whole starting on a smaller bike as a good idea in theory. In a perfect world it would help people step up to a larger bike with more ease. However, this is not a perfect world and it all depends on the individual.
I do agree to this. But as I am the impatient type I will prob get a 600 and be very responsible.Originally Posted by hondabuilder
Again, I learned how to drive a 450hp Viper when I was 15....in the winter. No joke and continued through the summer. 17 i was taking it to school. I know A LOT about responsibility and how to learn/adapt quickly.
Don't worry, I am taking in EVERYTHING you guys say. From the good, to the bad. Each has their own opinion and when it comes down to it, I will remember each.
I am NOT planning on getting the bike and going straight to the hwy. Parking lots first then gradually upgrade.
-Ant.
Here is an example...
What is the number 1 way people lean their bikes??? The use their body to lean to the side they want. Well, did you also know that the number 1 reason bikers run into cars that jump front of them is because they actually turn into the car??? Yep, instead of swerving to the direction away from the car, they turn into it. Why is this?? It is because we are creatures of habit. What happens in a spilt second when you need to turn a direction?? In am emergency situation? You turn the wheel/handlebars in the direction you want to go. So what happens if your turn the handlebars in the opposite direction of the car?? You turn right into the car. This is because people do not learn that Counter Steering is the best way to lean your bike. If you practice it and use it, then in an emergency, you will use it and properly avoid the car.
This is one example why a smaller bike does not help you unless you learn the proper way to ride. The sad part is, you can talk to a lot of people that have been riding for years and they have no clue what counter steering is. lol
I won't say you are wrong, I just don't think that it is a good comparison. I have a decently fast car (when it's running lol) and to go fast in it is COMPLETELY different than to go fast on a bike. i can go 100 mph in my car and i can tell i am going 100 mph. on a bike you feel like you are going 60, look down and you're going over 100. A car is a completely different set of inputs and controls, therefore it's apples to oranges. if the viper breaks traction what happens? it slides a little, or worst case scenario spins out. on a bike if you break traction in a turn, you are not likely to come out of it unless you do EXACTLY the right things, and even then it isn't guaranteed. A 600cc sport bike has similar if not better power:weight and a contact patch on the rear about the size of a postage stamp. it only takes literally a twitch of your right hand at the wrong time to put you on the dirt.Originally Posted by AnthonyF
DynamicSound- I agree with your your point, irresponsibility is deadly no matter what the vehicle. Target fixation is dangerous, and unfortunately, instinctive to most people. I can't argue the point of counter steering either, simply because I'm just now getting good and comfortable with it myself as opposed to trying to lean the bike manually. I believe it is possible to learn and progress on a 600cc bike to start with, thats what I did! But the learning curve is even steeper than a beginner bike.
besides, Ant look around at the beginner bikes and their value. they don't depreciate as bad as most other bikes because there is always someone out there who wants to learn. Ninja 250's are a prime example of this, you buy one for 3500 now, learn to ride, and in 3 months, 6 months or whatever, you can relist it for sale for say.... 3000? basically for 500 plus maint. and gas, you had an open-ended rental that taught you how to ride, and if you drop it no biggie, it's not that expensive 600 you wanted first.
by all means get what makes you happy, like i said, it isn't my decision, i just don't want you to get hurt just because nobody tried to help inform you a little better. there is certainly no guarantee that you won't get hurt or killed on a bike, but personally i would try to reduce the risk as much as possible by starting out slower. there is nothing stopping you from stepping up to a bigger bike when you are comfortable except pride and patience. nobody that is worth listening to will ever make fun of you for starting out small. I believe there is even a Ninja 250 for sale on here right now from AaronFelipe (sp?) The value on that bike will not go down much if at all in the time it takes you to get comfortable on a bike.
and TAKE THE MSF COURSE!!!!it's money well spent. like DynamicSound stated, you will only learn as much as you are committed to learn. I only preach this stuff cause I don't wanna hear about anything bad happening to another new rider.
Who knows?
Please buy your bike.
i started out on a 91 ninja 500. and ive had jsut about everything since. 600's, gsxr 1000's, hayabusa.
they are all fun, and i do love faster bikes, but i would go back to a 600 with no problem. awesome bikes. easy to control down low, but fun in higher rpm's
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Just like you and I and many other people. No one was going to stop us from getting a 600. Some people will listen but there are many that wont.Originally Posted by hondabuilder
I learned pretty quick and hit the Mt's within 2 weeks, I did have experienced racers behind and in front of me giving me pointers.
It doesn't matter. Everything you learned on a 600 would have been learned faster and more safely on a 500 or 250.
They are just that much easier to ride. You'd know that if you had ever spent more than 5 minutes on one.
You post the truth. I learned on a GS500 myself. Helped a lot.Originally Posted by Tarzanman
Well, the past 2 days ive been riding my buddies 99 R6 and it has been a blast. I've picked up on it quickly. We havent hit the streets no tag/license so thats a whole different ball game.
Question for your guys and helmets. Do you have 2 helmets for day time and night time or just swap lenses? Or just one lens?
Yamaha has a deal with 69 bucks for 3 years![]()
-Ant.
i have a few different helmets, but the visor doesnt distort you THAT much.
i use a "dark" tint lens all the time, and i go to work when its dark, and ride at night often. but when its really dark, and your not in "town" (like back road where headlight is all you have) it can take away , but its not like your blind.
id say jsut get a regular lens, and wear some sunglasses underneath during the sun, they are easier to store and carry.
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Hahahahaha. Dude. I'm not knocking you... but the things you still don't know about motorcycling after 2 days would fill two books. Its good that you're learning the basic controls, but there are pro racers out there that will tell you that they still have a lot to learn.Originally Posted by AnthonyF
Depends on how much money you have to spend. I keep a tinted shield on one helmet and a clear shield on the other (so that I don't have to swap shields if I don't feel like it), but both helmets have clear and tinted shields that fit them.Question for your guys and helmets. Do you have 2 helmets for day time and night time or just swap lenses? Or just one lens?
Yamaha has a deal with 69 bucks for 3 years![]()
-Ant.
69 bucks for 3 years of what?
no doubt no doubt. But i was focusing on the basics. Learning how to leave steady, learning hills, down shifting, etc... His had an idle issue but it got better as the bike warmed. Say what you wish, cool if you think you're hilarious. I've driven 1850hp Vipers, i think I can grasp the bike. No need for you to act all cocky for no reason. I've been doing this for a day.Originally Posted by Tarzanman
New bikes start out a 69 bucks a month for 3 years for 8,900 or less bike.Originally Posted by Tarzanman
-Ant.
I'm not being cocky. I'm spitting the truth, ruth. Any rider worth their salt will tell you the same thing. Go ahead and drive your 1850hp Viper all you want. My grandma could take a 1850 hp Viper around a track and keep it in one piece... as cars require very little skill to operate. Completely irrelevant to riding a bike. Completely.Originally Posted by AnthonyF
I'm not knocking your for being new. I'm knocking you for not being able to grasp/comprehend the information I have already given you. The fact that you even mention a car is evidence enough that you haven't even scratched the surface of piloting a motorcycle. Parking lot practice is fine as far as getting familiar with basic controls, but you haven't even scratched the surface.... and a 600 super-sport is a much more harsh taskmaster than a 500 or 250.
Anyways, if you're not doing yourself any favors as far as learning. Why should I be expected to?
Financing a bike is generally a bad idea. That payment plan in particular is ridiculous. You'll be upside down perpetually if you take that option.New bikes start out a 69 bucks a month for 3 years for 8,900 or less bike.
-Ant.
Go ahead and do it. What do I know?
I have to mostly agree with Tarzanman - driving a fast street car, and riding a bike are two vastly different things. I have no doubt that you will pick it up quickly, but it takes seat time.
36 months @ $69 is $2484. Assume that you put $1000 down on a new $8500 bike. After 3 years, you would have paid $3500, leaving $5000 more to pay at one of the following interest rates: 13%, 17%, 19%, or 23%. If you were ever late on a payment, even once, your rate would immediately jump to 29%. This is not a good deal. You would be much better off to buy a used beginner bike for the first year, then get a new bike that you can mostly pay cash for next year.
~yawn~ Tarzan, you're a tool.
All you care about is trying to be top dog. Says so from your first post in response. You act like you are trying to get people NOT to ride. Say what you want to say, it's all good. I could give 2 shits about you. Thank god you stay in the motorcycle section.![]()
David-your absolutely right and I have stated that. Dick head up there thinks he is telling me something I havent already stated. My comments are meant as a quick learning tool for me. He also claimed I didn't have the tools or knowledge to fix a bike. I OWN A FUCKING SHOP. lololz
I do appreciate everyone's .02¢ with the pros and cons, tips and tricks.
-Ant.
No. Like I said. There are dozens of threads just like yours every year and 90% of them are written by dweebs who think they are special.
Hence my prediction here:
http://importatlanta.com/forums/show...02&postcount=3
and here:
http://importatlanta.com/forums/show...72&postcount=6