Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
I do agree to this. But as I am the impatient type I will prob get a 600 and be very responsible.

Again, I learned how to drive a 450hp Viper when I was 15....in the winter. No joke and continued through the summer. 17 i was taking it to school. I know A LOT about responsibility and how to learn/adapt quickly.

Don't worry, I am taking in EVERYTHING you guys say. From the good, to the bad. Each has their own opinion and when it comes down to it, I will remember each.

I am NOT planning on getting the bike and going straight to the hwy. Parking lots first then gradually upgrade.

-Ant.
I won't say you are wrong, I just don't think that it is a good comparison. I have a decently fast car (when it's running lol) and to go fast in it is COMPLETELY different than to go fast on a bike. i can go 100 mph in my car and i can tell i am going 100 mph. on a bike you feel like you are going 60, look down and you're going over 100. A car is a completely different set of inputs and controls, therefore it's apples to oranges. if the viper breaks traction what happens? it slides a little, or worst case scenario spins out. on a bike if you break traction in a turn, you are not likely to come out of it unless you do EXACTLY the right things, and even then it isn't guaranteed. A 600cc sport bike has similar if not better power:weight and a contact patch on the rear about the size of a postage stamp. it only takes literally a twitch of your right hand at the wrong time to put you on the dirt.

DynamicSound- I agree with your your point, irresponsibility is deadly no matter what the vehicle. Target fixation is dangerous, and unfortunately, instinctive to most people. I can't argue the point of counter steering either, simply because I'm just now getting good and comfortable with it myself as opposed to trying to lean the bike manually. I believe it is possible to learn and progress on a 600cc bike to start with, thats what I did! But the learning curve is even steeper than a beginner bike.


besides, Ant look around at the beginner bikes and their value. they don't depreciate as bad as most other bikes because there is always someone out there who wants to learn. Ninja 250's are a prime example of this, you buy one for 3500 now, learn to ride, and in 3 months, 6 months or whatever, you can relist it for sale for say.... 3000? basically for 500 plus maint. and gas, you had an open-ended rental that taught you how to ride, and if you drop it no biggie, it's not that expensive 600 you wanted first.

by all means get what makes you happy, like i said, it isn't my decision, i just don't want you to get hurt just because nobody tried to help inform you a little better. there is certainly no guarantee that you won't get hurt or killed on a bike, but personally i would try to reduce the risk as much as possible by starting out slower. there is nothing stopping you from stepping up to a bigger bike when you are comfortable except pride and patience. nobody that is worth listening to will ever make fun of you for starting out small. I believe there is even a Ninja 250 for sale on here right now from AaronFelipe (sp?) The value on that bike will not go down much if at all in the time it takes you to get comfortable on a bike.


and TAKE THE MSF COURSE!!!! it's money well spent. like DynamicSound stated, you will only learn as much as you are committed to learn. I only preach this stuff cause I don't wanna hear about anything bad happening to another new rider.