they are ok... to me they are nu-metal/metalcore crap... like a billion other bands: atreyu, bleeding through, it dies today, etc... you want good metal listen to: caliban, himsa, between the buried and me, zyklon, ihsahn, etc
the term hardcore is used to lightly... i think of hardcore being true roots of hardcore anything NYC style, the sXe bands, etc... ie. Earth Crisis, Sick of It All, Snapcase, Integrity, Hatebreed, Morning Again, etc
most of the bands today are nu-metal, metalcore, indie, screamo,etc... hardcore doesn't really exsist anymore. maybe i'm just old or maybe i just refuse to associate skinny kids wearing girl jeans w/ bad black dyed hair cuts being hardcore.
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