Import Atlanta Fantasy Football 12-13 SEASON.

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

So how do you explain the fact that Vick sucks worse than Cutler with a better OL and IMO a better receiving corps?

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Cutler's big/main/only target is Brandon Marshall....need i say more...Marshall is a beast...Cutler has the time i'm talking that Vick needs to make better decisions. Bears OL is not that bad, i'm sorry, they are pretty decent...not great, but good enough

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Sammich, you should ease up a little off of Vick's nuts, dude. They're talking about the cheerleader squad for him with you clamping down so hard, lolol. Vick is not that great. He never has been. His days in Atlanta showed him not as a good QB, but as a good RB or TB. But he showed the potential to be a good and even great QB. Once he came back to the NFL with Philadelphia, he started showing signs of becoming the QB that I thought he could've been with the Falcons. But each year, he showed decline. His days are numbered not only with Philadelphia, but probably in football.

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you got me confused QD, i never said he was great, i said he's good and can only be as good as teh OL will let him. i think everyone is down his throat unnecessarily. a great QB could do ok w/ the OL that the eagles at best. w/ more time in the pocket and the progress he's made, he'd make better decisions. i mean has no one seen just 2 turnovers by him after that horrible OL appearance on monday?! just 2? one fumble and one tipped int...ol boy is trying to improve himself. eagles need a new OL..if they improve that at the same time Vick is still there, he can up his stock.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

i deserved to win today! damn giants putting Brown in on all the redzone attempts, percy harvin injury, cam kinda injured.....

oh well, get Brady back next week.

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nah, you had to go through the same b/s i did when i lost to you the first time.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

at just like that we now have a log jam in the standings... anybodies ball game.

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im on a 3 week winning streak! im climbing to the top!

lol it's you and i beefin this week isnt it? i'm trying to find a good RB for this week...since one of my constants are out and the TE i got offa waiver is on a bye this week :ninja: i can never get a good replacement TE.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

lol it's you and i beefin this week isnt it? i'm trying to find a good RB for this week...since one of my constants are out and the TE i got offa waiver is on a bye this week :ninja: i can never get a good replacement TE.

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Just so happens i have 2 of the best TEs in football and am only in need of 1.

not letting go of the bears defense..

proposition sent

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Originally Posted by Sammich

proposition sent

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send me one that has Reggie Bush in it.

YEA.....that wont happen lol

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Originally Posted by Sammich

YEA.....that wont happen lol

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There's no player on my entire team that you would trade Bush for??? that's ridiculous....

brandon marshall

i have 2 RBs on my team currently with more fantasy points than Bush.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

brandon marshall

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Marshall is the best fantasy WR in football

i know...:ninja:

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Originally Posted by Sammich

i know...:ninja:

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send me a realistic proposal that has Reggie Bush in it.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

i know...:ninja:

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nice try.

youll have to give me WRs that are good for LUCK. I just picked up ELI so im willing to part with luck for a GOOD WR. Ill give you Luck and Pitta for Miles and Streaky TATE

i just picked up tate...you know how clingy i am on miles...let me think...truthfully i only need luck for this week..i dont know if i want to lose miles for just one wks worth of a win

countered..

Tate is streaky i had him in my other league. He had 5 games with no TDs IIRC.

Put it this way, Luck is a consistent 20 points per week. Ill part with him for a WR that is a consistent 8-10 points per week. If you have someone let me know.

Id be willing to part with Cutler too

yea i know luck is a good stand in for rodgers...i just wish i didnt get rid of miles...i need to find a WR/TE to trade up for Stafford

i wouldnt even want cutler lmao..Luck > Stafford > Cutler

Nice doing business with you

agreed...now i'm trying to figure what i'm going to do w/ 5 RBs on my roster #thestruggle lol

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Originally Posted by Sammich

you got me confused QD, i never said he was great, i said he's good and can only be as good as teh OL will let him. i think everyone is down his throat unnecessarily. a great QB could do ok w/ the OL that the eagles at best. w/ more time in the pocket and the progress he's made, he'd make better decisions. i mean has no one seen just 2 turnovers by him after that horrible OL appearance on monday?! just 2? one fumble and one tipped int...ol boy is trying to improve himself. eagles need a new OL..if they improve that at the same time Vick is still there, he can up his stock.

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I didn't say that you said he was great. I'm just bringing talents back down to Earth where they really are and not in La-La Land where you think they are, lolol. Vick is past his prime now, man. His age and his physical being are wearing him down fast.

And here's where the confusion you speak of comes in. You're confusing with me with someone who is "down his throat unnecessarily." I've always said that I thought Vick could be a great QB. I've always seen the potential. He just never took advantage of it.

makin moves! i like it!

Wes Welker, i want him.... talk to me.

i think Vick's window is nearly closed. He's never going to be a Tom Brady that can read defenses and adjust blocking assignments or call the right audible vs a blitz... that's why he gets sacked so much, because he never sees it coming. Its not the offensive line.... there's a reason you dont see Brady and Manning getting sacked a bunch even though theyre about as mobile as a 1 legged man with cerebral palsy.... they read the blitz and adjust the blocking assignments.

I can imagine Vick having success in a hurry up offense where he starts playing on instincts vs intelligence but his window is closing as his athleticism is about to start fading.

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

I didn't say that you said he was great. I'm just bringing talents back down to Earth where they really are and not in La-La Land where you think they are, lolol. Vick is past his prime now, man. His age and his physical being are wearing him down fast.

And here's where the confusion you speak of comes in. You're confusing with me with someone who is "down his throat unnecessarily." I've always said that I thought Vick could be a great QB. I've always seen the potential. He just never took advantage of it.

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which is where i'm adding that he can NOW be a good QB given that he has a good OL. in his prime, if he learned to be a pocket passer like Peyton and still retained his threat of speed..oh, definitely would have been an Elite...but he wont be mentioned among those, he'll be mentioned among the 'running QBs'. RGIII might be the first QB that's know as a runner...

OAN: sent kidd another offer :ninja:

Antonio brown is hurt son.

Rejected.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

which is where i'm adding that he can NOW be a good QB given that he has a good OL. in his prime,

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I see him as on the other side of his prime. I believe he has peaked and probably won't be around for much longer.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

if he learned to be a pocket passer like Peyton and still retained his threat of speed..oh, definitely would have been an Elite...

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I don't think he would have ever been in the "elite" category. I always saw the potential to be great (or very good), but not elite.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

RGIII might be the first QB that's know as a runner...

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Nope. Maybe second runner. Vick has the first spot on lock, sir.

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Antonio brown is hurt son.

Rejected.

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any counters?

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

I see him as on the other side of his prime. I believe he has peaked and probably won't be around for much longer.



I don't think he would have ever been in the "elite" category. I always saw the potential to be great (or very good), but not elite.



Nope. Maybe second runner. Vick has the first spot on lock, sir.

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1. i still see 5 years in him, with a OL that dont allow MNF amounts of sacks

2. maybe right..

3. i dont know...RGIII seems to have both speed and pocket passing on lock...that's why i say RGIII will be better as a running QB because he has both on lock..BUT...i'll wait until about 3 more years to make a fair evaluation, because Newton surely fell off the map w/ a screwed up team.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

makin moves! i like it!

Wes Welker, i want him.... talk to me.

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Trust me, if i could trade him..... I would've a LONG time ago.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

i think Vick's window is nearly closed. He's never going to be a Tom Brady that can read defenses and adjust blocking assignments or call the right audible vs a blitz... that's why he gets sacked so much, because he never sees it coming. Its not the offensive line.... there's a reason you dont see Brady and Manning getting sacked a bunch even though theyre about as mobile as a 1 legged man with cerebral palsy.... they read the blitz and adjust the blocking assignments.

I can imagine Vick having success in a hurry up offense where he starts playing on instincts vs intelligence but his window is closing as his athleticism is about to start fading.

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EDIT: Read defenses and audible blocking and routes like PEYTON MANNING.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

1. i still see 5 years in him, with a OL that dont allow MNF amounts of sacks

2. maybe right..

3. i dont know...RGIII seems to have both speed and pocket passing on lock...that's why i say RGIII will be better as a running QB because he has both on lock..BUT...i'll wait until about 3 more years to make a fair evaluation, because Newton surely fell off the map w/ a screwed up team.

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I remember a few years ago there was a guy on here that was a (bigger) nut hugger of Vick. Can't remember the screen name but he swore up and down that Vick could do no wrong (even during his dog trials). You read just like that guy, Sam. You point at everyone else BUT Vick. You keep throwing the blame on the OL and never acknowledging that Vick messes up on his own. If Vick were half as good as you think he is, he wouldn't be as bad as he is right now. Good QBs know how to make a bad situation (play) better. Not every QB is going to have a Fort Knox OL in front of them.

Five years? If he can get better and retain a spot on someone's roster, then I agree. I could see a decent Vick still playing (maybe as back up) for another five. At his current state, though, he'll need to accept a pay cut to stay out there.

And about RGIII. I retract my initial response on him. You're right in that he may become the first running QB. Although Vick started out as a run first, QB second quarterback, he was not that good at the quarterbacking part. Give RGIII a couple/three more years and have him produce as he has this first half of this season and you may be right.

I'm saying the OL is not allowing him to be as good as he can be while everyone is painting him as a fukin disgrace of a QB...he cant do anything w/ a screwed up OL. i'm not a 'vick nut hugger'..i'm just saying the OL is not allowing him to be a good QB. i dont get why you not understanding that.

yea...that's what i was saying about RGIII...give him a few years to prove my prediction right..he might turn out to actually change the game. i do fear for him being on the redskins roster, they have really fukd up some good QBs...first that comes to mind, Jason Campbell. he's was a pretty damn decent QB

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Originally Posted by Sammich

I'm saying the OL is not allowing him to be as good as he can be while everyone is painting him as a fukin disgrace of a QB...he cant do anything w/ a screwed up OL. i'm not a 'vick nut hugger'..i'm just saying the OL is not allowing him to be a good QB. i dont get why you not understanding that.

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I understand that he might not have a good enough OL. I don't know how many other ways I can get you to see that. But what you're not getting is that a good QB can overcome a lacking OL and make something out of nothing. Vick can not consistently do that. Also, you think that Vick can do no wrong and that every mistake he makes is because of his OL.

And you should really tone down the "everyone" part because that leaves no one outside of your thinking. I am part of everyone I never said he was a "fukin disgrace of a QB."

As you may tell, I'm home today, lolol.

getting sacked what 7 times and under pressure a majority of the game...it's hard for a QB to maintain a train of thought w/o thinking every snap a sack is imminent..that's what i'm getting at. sorry for the over generalization lol

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Originally Posted by Sammich

getting sacked what 7 times and under pressure a majority of the game...it's hard for a QB to maintain a train of thought w/o thinking every snap a sack is imminent..that's what i'm getting at. sorry for the over generalization lol

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You're basing your opinion over one game? I never said that a good QB will get out of every dire moment or that every game will be great and "up to par." Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach, all great, top-notch QBS, had shitty games in their careers.

No apologies necessary, sir. I do understand what you meant.

I will say, though, that I'm glad I put him off the team after Week 1 of this fantasy league, lolol. I got him in the initial draft and started him Week 1. Two days later, he was gone.

LOL well i mean...even the highlights shows all the pressure he's gotten in past games and what not..the MNF was just like a bright light that shined on the OL and showed that it's not all Vick's fault for where the Eagles are right now. i easily understand every QB has a bad week, believe me, but you're going to have multiple bad games when the OL doesnt do what they are supposed to and provide decent amount of time to find a WR/TE/RB to pass to. that's what i'm getting at

forget vick. why even discuss him? he's never done anything significant in his career.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

OAN: sent kidd another offer :ninja:

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yo ass is mine this week homie!

i believe it lmao i'm actually nervous...you dont get a 4 wk winning streak w/o head hunters

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