Import Atlanta Fantasy Football 12-13 SEASON.

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Originally Posted by Julio

So Fitz for Gonzales were not fair ? Tell me how not ? Leshoure And C Johnson not fair ? How not, lets look at numbers.. Not names :)

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Subleg has 2 QBs with more fantasy points than fitz, yet he traded the #1 tight end in the NFL for a 3rd QB. Calvin Johnson is the best WR in football, regardless of what his numbers say. You making this argument is absolutely ridiculous.

Subleg has been idle for 3 weeks. He started a QB that was on a bye this week. He didnt trade to upgrade his roster. He unloaded his players to you.

I know the IA code of ethics is "if you dont like anything we do, quit/leave" but it's a matter of principle. You dont cheat at cards. Whether you're sitting at the world series of poker or playing for potato chips.

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Originally Posted by Julio

So Fitz for Gonzales were not fair ? Tell me how not ? Leshoure And C Johnson not fair ? How not, lets look at numbers.. Not names :)

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Then why did you trade 2 mediocre names for 2 superstars?

Why did you even trade then ?

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

I didn't sew who you traded or who for I just had an idea what was going on based on the arguing.

IMO once a team is suspect to not playing all trades should be voted on by the league. But that's how my other leagues work .

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Yeah man, i didnt think he would trade.. And he did.. I didnt think much of it.. Sin was juts butt hurt becuase he may lose to Sammich and it wasnt looking pretty the rest of the season.. Honestly, is not that serious.. In essence I traded for even players.. And to cover my byes coming up.. The WR i have except. 1 are having better year C johnson and I have Gronk whos been doing decent, not like TG, but decent..

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Then why did you trade 2 mediocre names for 2 superstars?

Why did you even trade then ?

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To cover my byes coming up.. But shoot, I didnt think he would trade since he wasnt active in the league..

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Originally Posted by Julio

Yeah man, i didnt think he would trade.. And he did.. I didnt think much of it.. Sin was juts butt hurt becuase he may lose to Sammich and it wasnt looking pretty the rest of the season.. Honestly, is not that serious.. In essence I traded for even players.. And to cover my byes coming up.. The WR i have except. 1 are having better year C johnson and I have Gronk whos been doing decent, not like TG, but decent..

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I think its obvious he traded to load you up not better his team. That itself is wrong.

It'll just make people not want to play this season or next.

Just my opinion

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Subleg has 2 QBs with more fantasy points than fitz, yet he traded the #1 tight end in the NFL for a 3rd QB. Calvin Johnson is the best WR in football, regardless of what his numbers say. You making this argument is absolutely ridiculous.

Subleg has been idle for 3 weeks. He started a QB that was on a bye this week. He didnt trade to upgrade his roster. He unloaded his players to you.

I know the IA code of ethics is "if you dont like anything we do, quit/leave" but it's a matter of principle. You dont cheat at cards. Whether you're sitting at the world series of poker or playing for potato chips.

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Lol.. Thats hilirious...

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Then why did you trade 2 mediocre names for 2 superstars?

Why did you even trade then ?

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like he was trying to get me to trade him bears for the ravens defense, that lost 2 big name people on their roster and tried to justify it all to get teh win, sometimes Sin is wish washy, i'm sorry. i lol'd when he tried to justify his trade to me

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Originally Posted by Julio

Yeah man, i didnt think he would trade.. And he did.. I didnt think much of it.. Sin was juts butt hurt becuase he may lose to Sammich and it wasnt looking pretty the rest of the season.. Honestly, is not that serious.. In essence I traded for even players.. And to cover my byes coming up.. The WR i have except. 1 are having better year C johnson and I have Gronk whos been doing decent, not like TG, but decent..

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personally...you got what you got, if it's going to cause an uproar i'm about to go cancel my trade request since it seems like it's causing a forest fire in this fantasy league

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Its dishonest . Then I could have someone join the league just to trade me studs so I can win on other peoples bye weeks.

Trades have to be looked at in real terms. Should NO trade drew brees for Ryan Skelton? Not a chance.

Drew breeds for Aaron Rodgers is more than acceptable.

It keeps people from having their friends be ringers and absorbing peoples rosters .

Sin isn't done, QD will veto all your trades and void them.

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Originally Posted by Julio

To cover my byes coming up.. But shoot, I didnt think he would trade since he wasnt active in the league..

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to think about it i think i proposed a trade to him one time and it sat for like a wk and a half before i just canceled it, i didnt realize he stopped playing...so if he decides to play he decides, if he decides to trade, he decides. either way those players would have been on somebody's roster making someone cringe in their seats to hope they got a win.

Vteckidd attempted to be the voice of reason, but there's no point in playing now.

I'll be pulling for the Bears tonight to get this last true win over Sammich and then i'm done.

LOL you wanna pull for the whole bears team? you sure? the one of the 3/4 that you were talking about could be the difference between you winning or losing..

truthfully if it's that much of a damn problem just negate whoever got what from subleg during his mia'ness and let the league go back to what it was. people getting butt hurt over scoring someone that they coulda possibly got off waiver as well is no reason to get upset. sin's been upset that i've scored some people on waiver's that he wasnt able to get. why? because i had a worse record. i mean, hell...what's it to actually have a competitive league. it wouldnt be a fun w/ a blowout. as much as i wanna beat you, sin, the fact that it's a close game, i'm cool w/ that, and if i lose...it's all good.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

LOL you wanna pull for the whole bears team? you sure? the one of the 3/4 that you were talking about could be the difference between you winning or losing..

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Putting my vegas hat on, id say i am a slight statistical favorite over you. Maybe a 55/45 since our deciding factors both play for the same team. Everything your player does increases the chances of my player also scoring.

i'd say more of a 50/50...it's gona be decided by 5pts or less i believe.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

truthfully if it's that much of a damn problem just negate whoever got what from subleg during his mia'ness and let the league go back to what it was. people getting butt hurt over scoring someone that they coulda possibly got off waiver as well is no reason to get upset. sin's been upset that i've scored some people on waiver's that he wasnt able to get. why? because i had a worse record. i mean, hell...what's it to actually have a competitive league. it wouldnt be a fun w/ a blowout. as much as i wanna beat you, sin, the fact that it's a close game, i'm cool w/ that, and if i lose...it's all good.

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I really hope you dont sincerely believe what you just said.

You realize me saying "dang, sammich stole my waiver" is not a genuine complaint right? Nothing about any interaction between you and i has "upset" me. I'm honestly quite shocked at your analysis.

i dont see an issue w/ Julio scoring some good players...it's still competitive. means when he plays you, it's gona be a better 'fantasy game' what's wrong w/ that?

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Originally Posted by Sammich

i dont see an issue w/ Julio scoring some good players...it's still competitive. means when he plays you, it's gona be a better 'fantasy game' what's wrong w/ that?

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He cherry picked from an abandoned team, it's not a real trade.

those people would have been on somebody's roster regardless...i mean, if this is shunned upon this year, make sure the rules dont allow this next year and just keep playing how it's setup this year.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

those people would have been on somebody's roster regardless...i mean, if this is shunned upon this year, make sure the rules dont allow this next year and just keep playing how it's setup this year.

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It's all good. I sent Subleg some awesome trades that would really improve his roster! gee i hope he accepts them!

on that note.... time to make the trip ive been dreading all morning........................................... ................ to the DMV....................... wish me luck.

Facts are facts, any league commish would void those trades. Doesn't matter what you think or feel is right haha.

I showed my commish those trades and he laughed and said he would quit the league if someone did that.

well w/e yall wanna do, i havent benefitted from the trade and i decided to leave my offer on the table in the faint decision he decides to trade. if he denies, it's all good, no skin off my back i'll make due. i have my eyes on some players right now on waiver anyway

i strongly believe people shouldnt quit though. i'm not benefitting just like the next fantasy team is that Julio got that trade, but i'm not bitching and moaning about it. it's just a game, it's not life or death or forfeit.

Lets play yall.. This is all fun..

It takes fun out of it when people cheat or bend the rules. That's all.

It becomes less fun and more win at all costs.

You basically made it impossible for me and JDM to win from here on out against you .

If its just for fun, don't stack teams to win

Its that simple :)

My NBA fantasy starts soon and my money league NFL is better.

I'll prob drop this league too, not because I'm mad, because at 2-5 its pretty much a waste of time with a crap record an now people stacking teams from a guy who quit 3 weeks ago .

Let me know next year when we have better rules

and with you gone how more lopsided do you think the league will be? i have a .500 record right now hoping to get above the .500 record for once...there's only 2 people who have a winning record, QD and Sin. it's only one person who has dropped their team. i see alot of pantylines showing right now.

do i understand what you all are saying? yes, but at the same time the more people continue to play the more competitive it'll be. just keep playing, sub is the only person that has abandoned team if i'm not mistaken.

I'm done regardless.... i want to beat Sammich tonight and that's it. I enjoy the smack talking and liked having the target by being 6-0 and people wanting to beat me. Or even that people think im an asshole and want to beat me... that's fun to me, win or lose. I wouldnt want to win by cheating and dont care to participate vs cheaters. You can say "its not a big deal" , if its not a big deal... then play fair and dont cheat to begin with. You can say it's petty, but i guess we come from a different generation.... principles are principles to me, whether the game is big or small. I want to win every single thing i do. Football, basketball, baseball, arm wrestling, thumb wrestling, video games..... but not by cheating.

Sammich, you're goin down.
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i think it is petty IMO if he's lucky enough to snatch up a good player...well...that's fine. i mean i've looked at teams i've played during this league and i'm like HOW THE FUK AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN...some i've lost close games...one i swore i had, then arian foster had a steroids night lol..i mean, things happen. i mean..if you quit...vteckid quits....*sigh* man....smh. w/e, yall taking a game that has no bearing on life too seriously. we arent catching injuries or nothing to this. all of us have seen our players have bad games, whose to say that the players picked up will give you back to back games like you want...look at kyle rudolph, i got 0 points from him this week.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

i think it is petty IMO if he's lucky enough to snatch up a good player...well...that's fine. i mean i've looked at teams i've played during this league and i'm like HOW THE FUK AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN...some i've lost close games...one i swore i had, then arian foster had a steroids night lol..i mean, things happen. i mean..if you quit...vteckid quits....*sigh* man....smh. w/e, yall taking a game that has no bearing on life too seriously. we arent catching injuries or nothing to this. all of us have seen our players have bad games, whose to say that the players picked up will give you back to back games like you want...look at kyle rudolph, i got 0 points from him this week.

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Principle is principle. Cheating is cheating.

Nobody is complaining about results, players, injuries, circumstances... or anything else. If every single player on my team died in a plan crash and i lost 100-0 this week, it is what it is.... but cheating takes all of the fun out of the game. Vteckidd has got the raw end of the deal more than anyone. He's got Cam and MJD, 2 top fantasy players who have been nonexistent this season, hes still playing fair.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

and with you gone how more lopsided do you think the league will be? i have a .500 record right now hoping to get above the .500 record for once...there's only 2 people who have a winning record, QD and Sin. it's only one person who has dropped their team. i see alot of pantylines showing right now.

do i understand what you all are saying? yes, but at the same time the more people continue to play the more competitive it'll be. just keep playing, sub is the only person that has abandoned team if i'm not mistaken.

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if people are cheating to gain an edge to win, theres no point in people like me and JDM playing. Head to head we have a legitimate shot because we are all playing by the same rules.

But when someone starts stacking their teams by trading for players in lopsided fashion, we lose the competitive edge and JDM and I just have no reason to play anymore.

let the 6-0 guys battle it out then.

I mean if it isnt a big deal then why did Julio trade to a guy who obviously isnt playing and hasnt played in 3 weeks to gain players we would all jump at to get?

I dont hate on him for doing it, but its the commishs job to void those trades out. If QD doesnt do it, whats the point in playing if next week someone else decides to unload all their players to Julio to beat Sammich, or Sammich unloads players to be to beat Sinfin etc.

Here are rules from my NBA league:

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Here is a list of rules that I always have had in place but I want them to be on paper in case any of these situations come up.

1. Whether or not I veto a trade. I only veto trades for 2 reasons. First if the trade is a very obvious attempt to give a team a great player for nothing. I will not veto a trade if both teams are trying to make there teams better. Most trades there is an obvious winner but unless the trade is absolutely ridiculous the trade will not get vetoed. The second way I would veto a trade is if an injury is involved. For example if a trade Steve Nash for Kevin Martin is excepted by the team that has Steve Nash and before he hit accept Nash was involved in any kind of injury then the trade will be vetoed. Even if the person didn't know that Nahs was injured. The only way I would let the trade through is if it was only a minor injury and the other team still wanted to trade to happen. When a trade happens I know what time it was accepted and then I can find out if it was accepted before the injury.

2. Good player dropped. If a player is dropped that is obviously someone that shouldn't have been then that player will be banned from being picked up. This happens sometimes at the end of the year. For example lets say Steve Nash gets dropped, he is a solid player but not on the can't cut list. Then Nash will not be able to be picked up by any team for the rest of the year. It is not fair if players like this get put into free agency to try to corrupt the league.

3. Inactivity. If a team doesn't set up their team for 30 days then that team will be locked and they will not be able to access their team. It is not fair when a team sets their team up some weeks and then doesn't set it up for others. So this rule makes it as fair as possible for when a team decides to give up.

4. Can't cut list. The can't cut list is there for a reason but I will turn it off for one reason. During any part of the season if a player on the can't cut list gets hurt for the season then I will turn off the list so that team can drop that player. Yahoo does update the can't cut list and that player would eventually get removed but sometimes it takes a couple days.

5. If you accidentally drop someone. If you accidentally drop someone I do allow you to get that person back. All that I ask is that you post a message in the league overview within 5 mins of the drop. Accidents happen and I don't feel like you should be punished for that.

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i'm fine w/ those rules, except the injury rule (although i could be on the bad end of the stick) but that's fine next go around. but i mean, it's not cheating if it's not part of the rule book, amirite? it's a loophole. but for next year, that's all fine and dandy to put into action

So now is about principals ? Cheating ? Lmao.. I already explained my side.. I traded a better fantasy player for TG and traded for Calvin who is ranked 20 something.. If you all want to be be hurt and don't want to play, that's a shame.. The numbers don't lie.. I wanted to cover my byes coming up. I could've selected AJ green who is the number # 1 receiver, I didn't, I could've gone for peterson, I didn't.. C'mon now.. For all we know, Calvin continues to suck the rest of the year and TG gets hurt.. Plus, I have Gronk.. I would not start TG over Gronk, only on BYE Week.. My team and the moves I made over the last 3 week have been decent.. Looks at how many points they scored, even if you take Chris Johnson's 31 points this week, I still would've beat QD.. After tonight, I will be 4-3 .. Who knows if I would win 1 more game.. Honestly, I careless about principles or cheating in something as a simple as this.. If they were on the waiver all you would've jump on it.. Get real.. I bet if Calvin and Tony get hurt, y'all would be laughing.. But I wouldn't complain and y'all can bank on that..

I just checked.. Even if I take Calvin out from tonight's line up, I still would win.. Even if I take Chris Johnson's 31 out, I still win.. Fantasy is all about luck.. And more luck.. Of course, good players give you a better chance at that " luck ".. Look at last week how Gore walked over the Seahawks.. You just never know the odds..

i only disagree w/ one thing...Gonzalez > Gronk, sorry LOL

Very true..

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Originally Posted by Julio

I just checked.. Even if I take Calvin out from tonight's line up, I still would win.. Even if I take Chris Johnson's 31 out, I still win.. Fantasy is all about luck.. And more luck.. Of course, good players give you a better chance at that " luck ".. Look at last week how Gore walked over the Seahawks.. You just never know the odds..

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youre absolutely right, but cmon man i know you. Youre smarter than what you are letting on haha you made the trades because you knew you were stealing players from another team who had given up. Ask yourself if anybody else had owned Megatron and Gonzy would they have traded for your players. The answer is a resounding NO and you KNOW IT. Admit it!

I tell you what, make it fair, Put it to a vote. I guarantee you you lose to anyone who plays fantasy football. Its house rules in almost any league ive seen play.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

i'm fine w/ those rules, except the injury rule (although i could be on the bad end of the stick) but that's fine next go around. but i mean, it's not cheating if it's not part of the rule book, amirite? it's a loophole. but for next year, that's all fine and dandy to put into action

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Its not part of the rules because its understood to be true. Its like if i invited you to play in a fantasy Basketball league , you drafted, set your team, and then i said "oh well we dont count scoring in this league only steals".

Its obvious scabbing and cheating/collusion , it shouldnt have to be in a rule book. Again, ive shown this to 15+ people in fantasy leagues i work with and go to school with, and they all agree with me and Sinfix. Once a team becomes INACTIVE, clearly Subleg was, his roster is locked and his team is locked an those players are removed from the board.

but it's obviously not rules in this league..it's a loophole that needs to be addressed, NEXT YEAR. i mean it's one of those, let it play out and try to take advantage now of the loop holes since it's present. next year i know it'll be addressed, but truthfully, it's no reason to just forfeit the whole league, IMO, although in other leagues it's looked at as cheating, it's still an honest part of THIS league. every game, every sport has it's own rules to adhere to.

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Its not part of the rules because its understood to be true. Its like if i invited you to play in a fantasy Basketball league , you drafted, set your team, and then i said "oh well we dont count scoring in this league only steals".

Its obvious scabbing and cheating/collusion , it shouldnt have to be in a rule book. Again, ive shown this to 15+ people in fantasy leagues i work with and go to school with, and they all agree with me and Sinfix. Once a team becomes INACTIVE, clearly Subleg was, his roster is locked and his team is locked an those players are removed from the board.

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someone already took advantage of a loophole. i mean, what's done is done. hasnt he even already played a couple of games w/ this setup. that'd also mean the games that he won/lost would have to be negated as well.

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Originally Posted by Julio

So now is about principals ? Cheating ? Lmao.. I already explained my side.. I traded a better fantasy player for TG and traded for Calvin who is ranked 20 something.. If you all want to be be hurt and don't want to play, that's a shame.. The numbers don't lie.. I wanted to cover my byes coming up. I could've selected AJ green who is the number # 1 receiver, I didn't, I could've gone for peterson, I didn't.. C'mon now.. For all we know, Calvin continues to suck the rest of the year and TG gets hurt.. Plus, I have Gronk.. I would not start TG over Gronk, only on BYE Week.. My team and the moves I made over the last 3 week have been decent.. Looks at how many points they scored, even if you take Chris Johnson's 31 points this week, I still would've beat QD.. After tonight, I will be 4-3 .. Who knows if I would win 1 more game.. Honestly, I careless about principles or cheating in something as a simple as this.. If they were on the waiver all you would've jump on it.. Get real.. I bet if Calvin and Tony get hurt, y'all would be laughing.. But I wouldn't complain and y'all can bank on that..

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You stacked your team to give you an advantage the rest of us didnt have access to in hopes of winning more games. Its that simple.

If they were on WAIVER WIRE we would all have EQUAL access to those players based upon rankings. You executed a trade with a player who has pulled out of the league and scalped his top talent. 2 totally different things and your statement backs me up. If you know THAT ANY of us would have jumped at the players you picked up, then why did you trade under the radar to a team that was inactive. THAT statement alone should void the trades.

You can spin it however you want, but its an unfair advantage plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Sammich

someone already took advantage of a loophole. i mean, what's done is done. hasnt he even already played a couple of games w/ this setup. that'd also mean the games that he won/lost would have to be negated as well.

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Has he traded with Subleg only? that just makes it worse.

Trades are allowed, but these ARENT TRADES, THIS IS SCALPING. Its cheating, period.