bosh is 10x more skilled then ibaka though. if he wanted, he could dominate ibaka in the post..... they should run their offense through bosh a lot more, imo.
bosh is 10x more skilled then ibaka though. if he wanted, he could dominate ibaka in the post..... they should run their offense through bosh a lot more, imo.
1v1 with Bosh, yeah.. Bosh is gonna get the best of him a lot of the time. They still need a big man waiting in the paint for when Lebron/Wade blitz past their defender.Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
I wasnt comparing Ibaka to Bosh, i was saying your comment of "you dont need a big man" i dont believe. Miami almost lost TWICE without Bosh in the lineup. Ibaka does more defensively for OKC than Bosh does for Miami, thats for sure. He CAN SCORE and i think in the offseason they should develop his 17 footer a lot more cause he has proven he can hit it.
It would be devastating to lose Harden, but like i said its easier to make up 16 points than 3 blocks a game, rebounding, presence, etc.
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but ibaka isnt even a great rebounder. i dont consider him that valuable, but thats just me i guess. shot blocking and sometimes hitting a midrange shot isnt more valuable now days.....
so who you guys got in tonights game? and by how many?
Ibaka led the league in blocked shots, and most people rank him as the #2 DPOTY behind Chandler. I think he is more valued than Harden , but thats just my opinion.
gotta go with OKC, itll be a close game, 5 points or less.
IF OKC SHOOTS 50+% from the field, they will win by 20
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i got him #1 over chandler. by far.
i got miami tonight by 7. big game from wade and bosh tonight.... and i think chalmers will finally show his fucking face in this series.... i think he'll have 10 points or so.
I think Miami is going to win the next 2 games.
I'm going all the way back to this post because I don't care about the other banter going on, lolol.
This is kind of a pointless question because why make a prediction in the first place if you're just going to change it if it doesn't look like it's going your way? I'm not going to adjust my prediction so that it makes me look like I "called it." It's not a true prediction if you keep changing it to ft the tempo of the game (or series in this case). You dig? Like I said, I've been saying the same thing for 3 weeks now. I've been saying it longer than anyone and I'm going to stick by it like I should. The West in 6. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Later, QD.
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Probably the WORST officiated game i have seen this playoffs. HORRIBLE. The Referees look like amateurs. Durant on that crazy baseline layup gets clocked in the head from behind from LBJ, NO CALL. IT was almost the EXACT same call before when Bosh got clipped in the head from Perkins and they call a continuation 3 point play.
Haslem obvious loose ball foul on D Fish, no call, = Chaulmers 3
Wade got 2-3 calls where no one even touched him.
Westbrook shot 3 FREE THROWS???????? ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?
Now, having said all that, Miami outplayed OKC. CHaulmers stepped up BIG, Cole hit big shots. The ROle players we all questioned are showing up, and OKC role player isnt. Harden looked scared, he had a WIDE OPEN jumper and looked like he asked for permission to shoot it. They are LOCKING down durant and its because they know no one else can beat them. No Ibaka, no Thabo, no Harden= Series Over.
Having said that x2, OKC needs to win 1 in Miami to go back down 3-2, which follows the format so it ISNT OVER. But my confidence in OKC winning 3 in a row, isnt that high
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Well................. the stage is now set for a choke of monumental proportions. Lets hope Lebron and company are up to the task of giving america what we want.
If the series makes it back to OK, we will have something to talk about.....
but the way it looks, if OK plays good enough to win a game, the refs will take it from them. So unless they absolutely blow Miami out to the point that the refs can have no effect.... i dont see them standing much of a chance anymore. Pat Riley won the title for Miami when he said "if we lose, nobodies job is safe", cant let the "dream team" break up.
i remember that shot, lol, and how do you miss a layup on a fast brake, with only one guy BEHIND you????? but the guy is young, i think he was nervous
Westbrook showed off today, he got fouled each time he drove in, imo those drives were not really needed and he got kinda lucky he made most of them, i think OKC is done, no team has come back from 3-1, if they had some player or players that were down during the first 3 games and were able to play in the 4th then maybe, but OKC has given everything they got in these two games i Miami, fraking Wade and LBJ keep messing everything up for OKC
Wow. Just wow. There are ALWAYS calls that ref's miss in every single game. I saw blown calls for and against BOTH teams. I hear a lot of complaining from thunder fans, it actually makes me feel bad for them. I kept bringing up the fact that OKC wouldn't win more then one game in miami, no way no how. they lost 5 games or so at home the entire season. they are like okc, when they are at home they feed off the energy in the arena.
Funny thing is there is a crying about the refs every single game. In game 2 when durant was fouled by lebron and missed the shot. Nobody brings up the fact that they GAVE him the blocking foul on battier at like the 4:00 mark. HE WASNT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE GAME! If you get hit with the body by lebron and get your full shooting motion up, fucking make the shot.
In lasts nights game, the refs lets the criticism get to them. They were letting obvious calls go because they didnt want to be one sided. Like the charge harden didnt get called for at the end of one of the quarters. When he got the ball battier was already standing there because he saw harden was out of control. No call.
The point is, they lost. The ref's dont make okc play bad defense and leave all the shooters open for 3pt shots, even i knew if you gave cole and chalmers WIDE open 3pt shots, they would eventually make you pay. They did.
I thought okc would get one in miami. But no I was wrong, its over.
the blocking foul is a 50/50 foul, Battier wasnt completely set, but it could have gone either way. the foul by LBJ was BLATANT, it was a horrible missed call. Battier gets 50% of the BLOCKING Fouls as charges because hes smart. But Battier should be in foul trouble EVERY GAME, he reminds me of Jeff Hornacek, fouls grabs, pushes, mugs, EVERY PLAY.
THe stats speak for themselves, Durant got his 4th foul in the 3rd quarter of game 3, Miami got their 4th overall TEAM FOUL 2 minutes later. Thats rediculous.
The Refs are calling it extremely tight for Miami, and blowing blatant calls for OKC. They arent giving them the respect.
LOL the charge by harden was after the buzzer sounded, you cant foul after the buzzer
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As i said Miami outplayed OKC, OKC didnt play defense, broke down, Miami played much better defense and their role players hit BIG SHOTS. But its easy to play good defense when you are allowed to foul every play, and its easy to play good offense when you average 10-15 more FT attempts than the other team.
The Refs are the reason OKC lost, but they are a factor. And its BLATANT because im not an OKC fan, and everyone is talking about how bad it is. Cant wait for first take!
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the reason they are losing is their defense. simple as that.
when i see durant fouling on rebounds. i ignore all the foul b/s ppl are talking about. no real comment from me about calls..... i'll let you guys discuss fouling.
Yeah, the refs are part of the game... sometimes they make bad calls. When they consistently make bad calls in favor of Miami for the entire series... i start to wonder. It's not just me complaining about the refs............. its everyone. ESPN analyst complaining about the refs too....... go on twitter and read to comments from ESPN guys..... EVERYONE is saying these refs are favoring Miami.... not just in 1 game... 1 quarter.... every game... every quarter.
He wont admit that though because hes a heat fan, or rooting for the heat. Its blatant. Its not even a theory, its fact. Heres a snap shot of the no call on LBJ hitting durant in the head and going over the back on a SHOULD HAVE BEEN 3 point play.
Harden was fouled by Wade on the blown layup, i mean wade just reached out and grabbed him.
Durant HAS BEEN IN FOUL TROUBLE THE WHOLE SERIES, THEY ARE CALLING FOULS ON DURANT, THEY ARE NOT CALLING FOULS ON MIAMI.
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So the ref's are making sure they are out of position to give miami wide open shots?
Do the ref's guard chalmers in the 4th quarter? The FACT is, okc is playing Horrible defense.........
this is the nba man, they travel every possession and grab all game all day. there are missed calls for BOTH teams, thats all im saying. I can name calls that they didnt call on okc too. but it would be pointless.
did the ref's make westbrook foul chalmers in the corner of the court? did they make him dribble off his leg..... fact is, they lost. and they are dead in the water. series is over.
So what you are saying is durant isnt fouling? they are making up calls? OR are you saying he is fouling, they just shouldnt call him for the fouls because he is kevin durant? i saw him make 2-3 STUPID fouls which he deserved to be called for, you are a superstar, play like one. not like a rookie. not being an ass, just being honest.
whats the excuse for allowing miami to get 104 points? fouls?
I don't see anything about them talking about the ref's. Not the reason they lost man. When you let a team score 100+ points, you can't cry foul. The point im trying to make is, i understand why you are saying they missed calls. But what im saying is, i see missed calls on both teams.
No one ever said that. That is the default argument though for heat people who dont like the fact that everyone agrees that OKC is not getting the calls Miami is getting.
Apparently you didnt read my opening statement where i said "miami out played OKC and won" Period.
But , at the same time, you cannot argue the 2 BLATANT MISSED CALLS that would have swung momentum for the THunder.
1) The Game 2 NO CALL FOUL on LBJ that cost thunder the game or a chance at tieing it
2) The Game 4 breakaway NO FOUL CALL on WADE when he reached out and raped James Harden.
Miami is getting all the cheap calls in the world, the continuation calls, the 3 point calls, etc. Couple that with their Role players playing well, its almost impossible to win. OKC had chances to slow the game down and everytime they got an opportunity either it was a bad possession, OR, it was a horrible no call by the Refs.
You cant beat 5 on 7
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Im not saying Durant doesnt foul, he does. Hes BEING CALLED FOR IT, HIS AVERAGES are up almost 2 fouls PER GAME in the finals. The problem is, LBJ and Wade dont get called for the EXACT SAME FOULS THEY ARE COMMITTING, ITS 1 SIDED.
How AGGRESSIVE would miamis defense be if LBJ and Wade got called for the fouls they are not getting called for? Battier would foul out in 2 quarters if they called the game the same way.
If im OKC, im sending a Bench player into game 5 and LAYING battier out on a hard screen. Send a message
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Durant initiates a lot of contact with battier as well.
The refs cant play the game for either team..... these teams are both evenly matched and each game so far could have gone either way, it just feels like the refs are what is pushing Miami over the top.
Even though the foul numbers on paper are still lop sided... they dont even tell the true story of how 1 sided the officiating has been. in "crunch time" the thunder literally get NO calls. when the Heat are up 10, sure theyll throw a foul OKCs way.... when its a 2 point game........... OKC gets nothing..... but on the other hand.... theyre quick with the whistle if you touch Lebron. in a 1-2 point game, theyre sending Lebron to the line on half court blocking fouls........... any contact vs miami results in a foul most of the time.
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it is what it is, Miami is playing well enough to win, they deserve to win......... i just wish the refs would let us find out if they could win on their own.
i think okc's defense is telling us all we need to know.
its easy to have great offense when you know if you have a bad possession, your getting to the free throw line
its easy to play aggressive defense when you are allowed to foul the other team.
OKC defense hasnt been that bad, but when it plays well, it gets called for a foul. WHen Miamis Defense breaks down, its a no call for OKC
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When you give up 104 points to miami, you are playing bad defense. Not only are they double teaming lebron in the post, leaving WIDE open players at the 3pt line, they are MAKING stupid fouls and looking to the ref's like they are supposed to ignore your stupidity.
Westbrook fouling chalmers with less then a second left on the shot clock is flat out stupid. No way out of it. They make stupid plays like that all the time. Just not experienced enough. The series is definitely over, but you don't win 3 games straight because of bad refs. They got out played. And will most likely get out played again in game 5.
Maybe it's just me. but i've never liked peoples arguments about it being easy to score when you know you are gonna get a call. you aren't arguing that okc is in fact fouling, you are arguing that they shouldnt get called for it. I've never liked that argument, why doesnt okc just do this......
quit fucking fouling. simple as that.
yeah, because being in foul trouble doesnt effect defense.
Miami has the confidence of knowing that if they go to the paint, worst case is that theyre shooting free throws. All Lebron has to do is initiate contact......
I dont mind them calling hand fouls.... if you slap a player while hes shooting 100 times a game, you deserve 100 fouls a game..... theyre calling way too many body fouls....
If Lebron runs into you, foul on you. If Lebron lowers his shoulder into you, foul on you. If Lebron elbows you, foul on you. If Lebron pushes off you, foul on you.............................. any contact with a heat player is drawing a foul. If your hips touch Lebron, foul on you...............
Miami is doing the exact same thing OKC is doing, but theyre not getting called for it. Miami is being allowed to play physical and aggressive. OKC is being forced to play flag basketball. Theyre not good enough to beat Miami under THESE circumstances.
So you are saying now that lebron doesn't get fouled? Or that when he is fouled, it shouldn't be called?
I'm gonna go on record and say that OKC is going to win this coming up game in Miami, the fact that they beat them once before+ this is their last chance I think is enough to beat the heat, they won't win the series but I think they will win the next one
not IN miami they haven't.
Its over but the foul calls are one sided. That being said OKC has had a chance to win every game, Durant is still 2 years away from his full potential next year you will see LBJ at his best.
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