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2012 NBA Finals: Breaking Down the Officiating, Are the Refs Favoring Miami? | Bleacher Report
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2012 NBA Finals: Breaking Down the Officiating, Are the Refs Favoring Miami? | Bleacher Report
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the reason they are losing is their defense. simple as that.
when i see durant fouling on rebounds. i ignore all the foul b/s ppl are talking about. no real comment from me about calls..... i'll let you guys discuss fouling.
He wont admit that though because hes a heat fan, or rooting for the heat. Its blatant. Its not even a theory, its fact. Heres a snap shot of the no call on LBJ hitting durant in the head and going over the back on a SHOULD HAVE BEEN 3 point play.
Harden was fouled by Wade on the blown layup, i mean wade just reached out and grabbed him.
Durant HAS BEEN IN FOUL TROUBLE THE WHOLE SERIES, THEY ARE CALLING FOULS ON DURANT, THEY ARE NOT CALLING FOULS ON MIAMI.
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So what you are saying is durant isnt fouling? they are making up calls? OR are you saying he is fouling, they just shouldnt call him for the fouls because he is kevin durant? i saw him make 2-3 STUPID fouls which he deserved to be called for, you are a superstar, play like one. not like a rookie. not being an ass, just being honest.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
whats the excuse for allowing miami to get 104 points? fouls?
I don't see anything about them talking about the ref's. Not the reason they lost man. When you let a team score 100+ points, you can't cry foul. The point im trying to make is, i understand why you are saying they missed calls. But what im saying is, i see missed calls on both teams.
Im not saying Durant doesnt foul, he does. Hes BEING CALLED FOR IT, HIS AVERAGES are up almost 2 fouls PER GAME in the finals. The problem is, LBJ and Wade dont get called for the EXACT SAME FOULS THEY ARE COMMITTING, ITS 1 SIDED.
How AGGRESSIVE would miamis defense be if LBJ and Wade got called for the fouls they are not getting called for? Battier would foul out in 2 quarters if they called the game the same way.
If im OKC, im sending a Bench player into game 5 and LAYING battier out on a hard screen. Send a message
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Durant initiates a lot of contact with battier as well.
So the ref's are making sure they are out of position to give miami wide open shots?
Do the ref's guard chalmers in the 4th quarter? The FACT is, okc is playing Horrible defense.........
this is the nba man, they travel every possession and grab all game all day. there are missed calls for BOTH teams, thats all im saying. I can name calls that they didnt call on okc too. but it would be pointless.
did the ref's make westbrook foul chalmers in the corner of the court? did they make him dribble off his leg..... fact is, they lost. and they are dead in the water. series is over.
No one ever said that. That is the default argument though for heat people who dont like the fact that everyone agrees that OKC is not getting the calls Miami is getting.
Apparently you didnt read my opening statement where i said "miami out played OKC and won" Period.
But , at the same time, you cannot argue the 2 BLATANT MISSED CALLS that would have swung momentum for the THunder.
1) The Game 2 NO CALL FOUL on LBJ that cost thunder the game or a chance at tieing it
2) The Game 4 breakaway NO FOUL CALL on WADE when he reached out and raped James Harden.
Miami is getting all the cheap calls in the world, the continuation calls, the 3 point calls, etc. Couple that with their Role players playing well, its almost impossible to win. OKC had chances to slow the game down and everytime they got an opportunity either it was a bad possession, OR, it was a horrible no call by the Refs.
You cant beat 5 on 7
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The refs cant play the game for either team..... these teams are both evenly matched and each game so far could have gone either way, it just feels like the refs are what is pushing Miami over the top.
Even though the foul numbers on paper are still lop sided... they dont even tell the true story of how 1 sided the officiating has been. in "crunch time" the thunder literally get NO calls. when the Heat are up 10, sure theyll throw a foul OKCs way.... when its a 2 point game........... OKC gets nothing..... but on the other hand.... theyre quick with the whistle if you touch Lebron. in a 1-2 point game, theyre sending Lebron to the line on half court blocking fouls........... any contact vs miami results in a foul most of the time.
ok
it is what it is, Miami is playing well enough to win, they deserve to win......... i just wish the refs would let us find out if they could win on their own.
i think okc's defense is telling us all we need to know.
its easy to have great offense when you know if you have a bad possession, your getting to the free throw line
its easy to play aggressive defense when you are allowed to foul the other team.
OKC defense hasnt been that bad, but when it plays well, it gets called for a foul. WHen Miamis Defense breaks down, its a no call for OKC
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Maybe it's just me. but i've never liked peoples arguments about it being easy to score when you know you are gonna get a call. you aren't arguing that okc is in fact fouling, you are arguing that they shouldnt get called for it. I've never liked that argument, why doesnt okc just do this......
quit fucking fouling. simple as that.
yeah, because being in foul trouble doesnt effect defense.
Miami has the confidence of knowing that if they go to the paint, worst case is that theyre shooting free throws. All Lebron has to do is initiate contact......
So you are saying now that lebron doesn't get fouled? Or that when he is fouled, it shouldn't be called?
When you give up 104 points to miami, you are playing bad defense. Not only are they double teaming lebron in the post, leaving WIDE open players at the 3pt line, they are MAKING stupid fouls and looking to the ref's like they are supposed to ignore your stupidity.
Westbrook fouling chalmers with less then a second left on the shot clock is flat out stupid. No way out of it. They make stupid plays like that all the time. Just not experienced enough. The series is definitely over, but you don't win 3 games straight because of bad refs. They got out played. And will most likely get out played again in game 5.
I'm gonna go on record and say that OKC is going to win this coming up game in Miami, the fact that they beat them once before+ this is their last chance I think is enough to beat the heat, they won't win the series but I think they will win the next one
not IN miami they haven't.
Its over but the foul calls are one sided. That being said OKC has had a chance to win every game, Durant is still 2 years away from his full potential next year you will see LBJ at his best.
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My prediction is out. Would like to see OKC pull it off, but it doesn't look likely. Later, QD.
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i honestly just dont want to see the season over on thursday.... go okc!
then we can start the offseason thread :P
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Tebowtime starting soon.
I won't comment about him in the nfl until he is a starting player. or until he plays, i only think its fair.
is tebow better then sanchez?
good deal, comment away.... he's got a winning record as a starting QB and has already won a playoff game.
i meant nba offseason
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im just ready for the olympics...... as much as they talk about the dream team, this years olympic team will be great as well!
chris paul
dwayne wade
carmelo anthony
lebron james
russell westbrook
kevin durant
kobe bryant
anthony davis
tyson chandler
deron williams
kevin love
chris bosh
blake griffin .... etc....
if we had dwight howard and bynum, that would be crazy..... and we know who the starting PG will be, lol.... maybe we should make a thread about that, lol.... love u guys!
Blah i hate the olympics. Wont even watch it unless im really really bored.
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i love it, lol......
who u got in tonights game?
OKC . DUe for a hot shooting night, Miami is due a bad game.
By me predicting this, King James will probably win his crown though LOL
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Miami has been due for a bad game. Officiating has canceled it out though. If the refs let them play, OKC wins tonight..... and the next game... and the next game.
It's hard to have a "bad game" when your opponent doesn't play any defense. OKC already had their shooting night when westbrook dropped 43. Miami is making them take tough well defended shots, they can't make them. Simple as that. Dwayne wade has yet to put his mark on this series too, so i could say the same. Wade is due for a big night as well.
No comments from me, seriously. I dont watch too much football anymore, and im SURE i wont watch the jets. Let me know how he does, i'll be looking for your thread(s).
If okc plays defense, they will win. regardless of how many three point shots they miss OR how many free throws they miss. if miami scores 100+ again, game over.
Agreed 10000%
agreed 50%.OKC already had their shooting night when westbrook dropped 43. Miami is making them take tough well defended shots, they can't make them. Simple as that. Dwayne wade has yet to put his mark on this series too, so i could say the same. Wade is due for a big night as well.
OKC shoots 35.8% from 3 point range, they are shooting 27% now. I agree a lot of that is due to Miami having the best perimeter defender in LBJ, but they have had open looks and they just havent hit. They start hitting 3-4 more 3s a game, Miami in trouble. Harden hasnt gone off yet. I think Durant has a BIG GAME tonight.
Itll be a good game regardless
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I don't think it matters, he always has a good game. He doesnt take many shots. I think their role players have to play great tonight for them to win..... UNLESS westbrook turns into a real PG (dare i say like chris paul,lol) and gives durant open looks AND durant takes more shots then he ever has based on this new found PG......
I think the pressure got to them as well. Missed open jump shots from a professional basketball team usually doesn't mean you are just cold or having a bad shooting day. normally there is a REAL reason you are missing.(open shots)
i think the first to 100 points wins. if okc doesnt play great defense, i think its over.
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Defense.
HORRIBLE. HOW DO YOU LET MIKE MILLER AND SHANE BATTIER BEAT YOU!
Their defense was just bad, just really bad. Props to Miami, they played outstanding
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I agree. They left shooters WIDE open ALL night...... i blame brooks.... why was he double teaming lebron again?
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