Dude i see what your saying but that was back in the day. Teams have more than just one superstar, and no one Jorday in this day could take his team to beat a well teamed Heat w/ 3 or more Jordans on it eh. Heat, Lakers have so many superstars. Its not like back in the day yo trust me. Takes more than just one superstar to win the ring now.Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Jordan beat a Jazz team with Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek...... and a deep supporting cast, Shandon Anderson, Greg Ostertag, Byron Russell, Jacque Vaughn, Antione Carr. Malone is one of the best big men of all time, John Stockon is probably the best pure PG of all time..... they couldnt stop Jordan on either end of the floor.
Man i'd love to see what chris paul would've done to john stockton.
Paul would get out smarted, out played and beat. Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists for a reason.
Yea you've officially lost it.
Typical young person opinion.... always taking flash over substance. John Stockon was a beast. Everyone hated playing vs Stockton because of how physical he played. All young people think this new era of flashy ball players are so much better than the older generation. What did it do for Lebron and Wade vs Dirk? Why does Tim Duncan have 4 championship rings????? How does Manu continue to dominate????? You dont have to look like an and1 mix tape to score..... John Stockton is the best pure PG of all time........... past and PRESENT included. Chris Paul most certainly included.
look above for your substance. dont ignore it.
Btw how old do you think I am? I could say the same thing about your statement claiming Tim Tebow as the greatest college player to ever play. VERY typical young person opinion as well. Just saying.
A lot of people make this same type of mistake, they automatically assume because somebody came before the other one, that because they played in an older era of basketball that they are better by default. Bad choice here. There's a difference between passing to kenyon martin at the top of the key and passing to karl malone at the top of the key, wouldn't you agree? Even though stockton has had superior teams to chris paul's teams lets compare # and talk some basketball.
CARER stats:
Chris Paul........18.8 PPG, 2.4 SPG, 9.8 APG, 4.5 RPG, 85% FT, 36% 3PT, 47% FG, 2.45 TO/GAME
John Stockton..... 13.1 PPG, 2.1 SPG, 10.5 APG, 2.7 RPG, 83% FT, 38% 3PT, 51% FG, 2.82 TO/GAME
116 3 point attempts per year, 305 field goals attempted per year.... stockton
181 3 point attempts per year, 373 field goals attempted per year.... paul
So to sum this all up. Karl malone is only good for .7 APG? You attempt 65 fewer 3 point shots per year then paul and you only shoot 2% better? You attempt 68 fewer field goals per year and you shoot 4% better? Do you think stockton is faster then paul? Do you think stockton is quicker then paul? Do you think stockton is stronger then paul? Do you HONESTLY think stockton would be able to stay in front of paul? And to never have averaged 20 ppg in a season.
Dont get it twisted, stockton is a LEGEND. But to think that his game would translate to today's speed is ridiculous. Don't think his assists and steal records won't get challenged by rondo, paul, some future pg. BTW 19 years in the nba will also help your records, thats a long time to play with no injuries or set backs. Invest in nba league pass next year, watch chris paul's games. He wasn't first team nba and defensive nba for no reason.
Side note: Who has the most game winning shots in the nba over the past 5 seasons? Durant, Kobe, Lebron(lol), Wade, Paul etc? They talked about this the other day on nba tv (game time i think it was)
You answered your own statement. The main reason he is #1 is because he played 20 years. and you are most definitely wrong about his 20 year average. he averaged 10.5apg for his career
chris paul: 11.6apg in 07-08, 11.0apg in 08-09, 10.7apg in 09-10
so 3/7 years hes been in the nba he has averaged higher then stocktons career totals. and he passed to a hall of fame legend. chris paul passed to who? oh btw, chris paul is the smartest player in the league, he practically coached the clippers this year. he dominated a memphis team far superior to his team.
but anyway..... i guess we can get back to miami/boston now, lol
Again, you're comparing incomparables. Stockton averaged 10./apg over a 20 year career. Looking at his stats, he did well above that career total in ten of his twenty seasons. In fact, in eight of those seasons, he averaged more assists per game than Paul has ever done. If you want to insist this is a comparison and you dig deeper, you'll see that Stockton still has the edge as the better point.
Lolol. I can agree. I hope that Boston can keep this momentum. Later, QD.
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I hope they cant. I hate them with a passion. Being from Detroit doesnt help either, we all hate the celtics. lol
are you fucking retarded? you're saying Chris Paul has passed Stockton's career avg because individual seasons of Paul's career are higher than Stockton's career avg that spanned over 20 years????
Stockton avg'd 8 APG in his 3rd season in the NBA. Then avg'd 14 APG in his next 5 seasons. 12 APG for his next 4 seasons. Even playing for 20 years is an accomplishment, Stockton was a relevant player for 20 years and retired with gas in the tank. You realize you're comparing the intelligence of a guard whos strong point is isolation vs one that pretty much invented the pick and roll?
You're swinging from Chris Paul's nuts pretty hard. The guy hasnt done anything yet.
seriously...... let loose of Paul's nutsack so we can have an objective argument about this.
John Stockon has the highest single season APG in the history of the NBA. And the 2nd,4th,5th and 6th..........
This guy named Magic played at the same time as Stockton, heard of him?
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you are so fucking dumb you dont even realize what YOU say..... read what YOU wrote.... which was 1000% incorrect....
and trust me im far from on chris pauls nuts. this coming from a guy you would think impregnated tim tebows mom. you obviously have not watched more then 10 chris paul's games. i understand you guys probably didnt invest in the nba league pass, but i did, i recorded and watched more nba basketball then 99.9% of the people in the state. for the people saying chris paul isnt better then rondo/parker/ etc.... the nba doesnt show favoritism when they name their nba 1st teams and nba defensive 1st teams. tony parker's defense is trash compared to paul, and his passing is nothing compared to pauls. he plays on a substantially better team then paul. he took a team that wouldnt make the playoffs with any other pg in the nba and made them the 5th seed in the west, and was a few games from the 3rd seed. rondo makes great passes, but other then rpg and a few more assists then paul he isnt shit compared to paul either. and yes tony parker killed westbrook and looked good in the first two games. but look at what cp3 did against westbrook the sg. he went 3/4 against okc this year, and dropped 24 second half points on him and killed him and durant in the 4th quarter. (with a trash ass team)
but seriously im done talking to people who dont watch the seasons games, and tune in when the playoffs start. not all of you, but i can tell who watches and who doesnt.
Whose going to win the series Miami or Boston.... hmmmm
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