Ultimate Fighter 10 begins

[Bus Driver J]

Ill agree that people are intimidated by him. Hell, Im at the weight to fight heavyweight and would never step foot in the octagon/ ring/ backyard with that fucker. I mean shit, go back and look at some of the guys expressions when he walked in. They just about shit themselves. But then the real fighter basically said fuck him. Imagine what he would have done against Abe or even the Rashad fighter from last week if his cardio would last that long (which I dont think it would).

Roy defeats Slice in 2nd round due to submission!!!!

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Roy defeats Slice in 2nd round due to submission!!!!

WELL..... I would have to disagree. Roy is a fat boy and if Kimbo can get his aggression in and hard hits to his fat body Roy is going to hurt. I know Roy has more all around MMA, but he was also fighting IFL, not UFC. Should be a good match. Kimbo has now fought UFC fighters, pro boxers, and trained MMA for awhile now. With the shape he's in I might say Kimbo for the win.

[SleepingTalon]

WELL..... I would have to disagree. Roy is a fat boy and if Kimbo can get his aggression in and hard hits to his fat body Roy is going to hurt. I know Roy has more all around MMA, but he was also fighting IFL, not UFC. Should be a good match. Kimbo has now fought UFC fighters, pro boxers, and trained MMA for awhile now. With the shape he's in I might say Kimbo for the win.

Kimbo's is in good shape? Based on what? His fights against a washed up 50+yr old Ray Mercer? Or how about Tank Abbot (with his impressive 10-14 MMA record), whose won ONE fight in the last 5yrs? Kimbo was also GASSED out after ONE round with James Thompson, and Thompson has ZERO cardio. He is the definition of the word "CAN". You do know that the IFL was a major promotion and had many big names fighting in it, don't you? Guys like Matt Lindland, Pat Militech, Chris Horodecki, Jay Heiron, Tim Kennedy, etc, were all regulars in the IFL. Who and where was Kimbo fighting before he had his first MMA fight? Oh yeah...it was guys from the local Taco Bell in someone's backyard.

Beyond all that, I'm friend with some of the guys at Randy's gym out in Vegas, and they all told me that Kimbo was extremely slack in the gym. He would skip training sessions, and didn't wanna work on his ground skills at all. He's not exactly the poster boy for work ethic. Can he get better? Yes, he can. He's training with ATT now, and I'm friends with many guys down there too, and they don't fuck around. If Kimbo comes in there and doesn't listen, he'll get beat the fuck down and thrown out, so he has no choice. He better step it up big time, because his lack of skills is very apparent. Hell, Greg Jackson had him picked 14th on a list of 16 fighters, after his evaluation with Rashad. That alone should tell you something.

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Kimbo's is in good shape? Based on what? His fights against a washed up 50+yr old Ray Mercer? Or how about Tank Abbot (with his impressive 10-14 MMA record), whose won ONE fight in the last 5yrs? Kimbo was also GASSED out after ONE round with James Thompson, and Thompson has ZERO cardio. He is the definition of the word "CAN". You do know that the IFL was a major promotion and had many big names fighting in it, don't you? Guys like Matt Lindland, Pat Militech, Chris Horodecki, Jay Heiron, Tim Kennedy, etc, were all regulars in the IFL. Who and where was Kimbo fighting before he had his first MMA fight? Oh yeah...it was guys from the local Taco Bell in someone's backyard.

Beyond all that, I'm friend with some of the guys at Randy's gym out in Vegas, and they all told me that Kimbo was extremely slack in the gym. He would skip training sessions, and didn't wanna work on his ground skills at all. He's not exactly the poster boy for work ethic. Can he get better? Yes, he can. He's training with ATT now, and I'm friends with many guys down there too, and they don't fuck around. If Kimbo comes in there and doesn't listen, he'll get beat the fuck down and thrown out, so he has no choice. He better step it up big time, because his lack of skills is very apparent. Hell, Greg Jackson had him picked 14th on a list of 16 fighters, after his evaluation with Rashad. That alone should tell you something.

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket. We all know standup fighters dont like going to the ground, defending against Brazilian Ju Ju lol, nor submissions. Best way for him to win is use great take down defense and work his standup on him. Im not saying Kimbo will win, but he could.

One of my favorite fighters is GSP... cuz he knows how to fight all MMA and defend. He can take on any kind of fighter and show everyone something new every fight. He pushes himself and has no limit. I say GSP could beat Roy in heavyweight lol.

Anyways fight is 2morrow, lets see how it goes and come back and discuss it .

[SleepingTalon]

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket. We all know standup fighters dont like going to the ground, defending against Brazilian Ju Ju lol, nor submissions. Best way for him to win is use great take down defense and work his standup on him. Im not saying Kimbo will win, but he could.

One of my favorite fighters is GSP... cuz he knows how to fight all MMA and defend. He can take on any kind of fighter and show everyone something new every fight. He pushes himself and has no limit. I say GSP could beat Roy in heavyweight lol.

Anyways fight is 2morrow, lets see how it goes and come back and discuss it .

Chuck is actually a wrestler, not a stand up guy. That's why his TDD is good. He trained stand up later in his career, and started to use that COMBINED with his wrestling. He's also much better technically than Kimbo is. Beyond all that, he's a purple belt in BJJ, so he's not exactly clueless on the ground. Kimbo has none of those attributes, and is learning on the job. Not exactly the best thing when you're going into a fight with Roy Nelson.

At any rate, I don't see Kimbo moving in and out of the pocket with strikes. His footwork isn't very good, nor does he have really great technical boxing. He does have good power, but his chin was tested by a journeyman LHW who KO'd him, so getting into a fire fight probably isn't that great an idea either. His best bet is to bum rush Roy and put pressure on him the minute the bell sounds, but it's easier said than done. Even the sprawl and brawl tactic will require him to be in really good cardio shape, and there is no evidence to support the claim that Kimbo is in good enough shape to do so.

With all that said, I have a gut feeling that the fight ends up going the distance, and that Kimbo makes it a good fight, but loses a decision. Because of that, he'll earn respect from a lot of people, including other fighters and fans. That's my prediction.

[Verik]

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket.

Liddell was a division 1 wrestler.... Kimbo isn't going to at that level anytime soon. Liddell is what 40 years old when he fought his last fight? His sprawl and takedown defense had been the accumulation of 20 years of wrestling and mma experience. Please... It's easy to say, "oh, all kimbo needs is some good takedown D just like chuck's and he's good to go". The reality is that yes, if kimbo wants to be a successful standup he needs a solid foundation of takedown def and as well as wrestling (in order to get things back to the feet if they do go down) but the reality also is something such as that takes time and experience to develop. Not likely something that can be taught in the few weeks of TUF. Now if he has been training mma pre-tuf 10 then congrats and i'm sure we will see what he has learned, but it seems he lacks a motivation and work ethic from the rumors to be humble and work on the fundamentals of his weakness.

Sleeping talon hit it dead on. Kimbo has the cannon in his arm to ko someone. Undoubtedly we understand that but he does not have a foundation of fundamentals even in his strengths (boxing). He has raw talent, but that can only get you so far before you must dedicate yourself to learning the technique and fundamentals of the game.