Nope.Originally Posted by HypnoToad
People tell me that Saw is a blatant rip of Se7en, and if I liked the traps like the razor wire maze in Saw, then I'd LOVE that movie.
Nope.
People tell me that Saw is a blatant rip of Se7en, and if I liked the traps like the razor wire maze in Saw, then I'd LOVE that movie.
SAW rips off Se7en in the psychological standpoint where the killer performs his murders by killing people who personify one of the Seven Deadly Sins by making them do the sin until they die. Se7en is elaborate, disturbing, and a great psychological thriller. In addition, it is actually believable.
SAW took that whole concept, but got a 5th grader to write it. It's only saving grace is the traps, which weren't enough for me. SAW has twists, but ****ing stupid twists. In addition, SAW isn't believable at all. For example, in SAW 1, how could cancer boy lay motionless through the whole bull**** fiasco in the room with dudes chained together without them noticing? Some parts of that movie were so dumb, that people in the theater were laughing at it. IMO, in a good scary movie, the moviegoers get scared, they don't laugh at one of the most "pivotal" points of the movie.
SAW = Hostel to me. Pseudo disturbing, only because of the gore factor, but NO plausible storyline whatsoever. BTW that ****ing doll on the tricycle is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Very scary
RottenTomatoes.com ratings of the SAW movies:
SAW 1: 46% (bad)
SAW 2: 35% (worse)
SAW 3: 27% (don't even think about seeing it)
See a trend?
RottenTomatoes.com rating of Se7en: 84% (good, especially for a scary movie)
Last edited by nreggie454; 10-25-2007 at 02:28 PM.
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well im going to see it in an hour... my friend works at the movies and they are watching it tonight....so i guess when i get back ill let you guys know how good it is... im a big fan of it though so i guess my opinion wont count to you guys anyway
Vtec Keep Left, Slow Traffic Keep Right....
the movie was ok i saw it today i never saw the 3rd one so i skipped it and went to 4 not a huge fan of the saw movies anyways. but if you like watching people die and **** go see it
THERES NOTHING LIEK WATCHING PEOPLE DIE.
Ive seen both, they're not the same, and box office figures dont lie. saw ownz. What is rotten tomatoes anyway?SAW rips off Se7en in the psychological standpoint where the killer performs his murders by killing people who personify one of the Seven Deadly Sins by making them do the sin until they die. Se7en is elaborate, disturbing, and a great psychological thriller. In addition, it is actually believable.
SAW took that whole concept, but got a 5th grader to write it. It's only saving grace is the traps, which weren't enough for me. SAW has twists, but ****ing stupid twists. In addition, SAW isn't believable at all. For example, in SAW 1, how could cancer boy lay motionless through the whole bull**** fiasco in the room with dudes chained together without them noticing? Some parts of that movie were so dumb, that people in the theater were laughing at it. IMO, in a good scary movie, the moviegoers get scared, they don't laugh at one of the most "pivotal" points of the movie.
SAW = Hostel to me. Pseudo disturbing, only because of the gore factor, but NO plausible storyline whatsoever. BTW that ****ing doll on the tricycle is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Very scary
RottenTomatoes.com ratings of the SAW movies:
SAW 1: 46% (bad)
SAW 2: 35% (worse)
SAW 3: 27% (don't even think about seeing it)
See a trend?
RottenTomatoes.com rating of Se7en: 84% (good, especially for a scary movie)
Se7ens killer made them do the sin until they die, correct. Saw's killer is totally different. His victims are wrongdoers and made them pay for what they did, but gives them a chance to get out.
If your judging movie quality, Seven. If you're wantign to see a scary movie, Saw ownz hands down.. But the fact is Saw and Seven are two different movie genres also. Saw, Hostel=torture porn; Seven=horror
BTW, Saw 5 is in the works and 6 is being written, there is also talk about going up to 10 provided they can keep coming up with sick methods of torture
Saw 1, budget was 1.5 mil, he flipped that into 40+, 2 grossed even more, and 3 held the status quo. 4 will do the same.
i just got back from seeing it and it was pretty damn good... not as twisted as the others (which is why i like them so much) but more gore....
Vtec Keep Left, Slow Traffic Keep Right....
There really aren't any "good" horror movies. Most of the movies produced now are more for shock factor than they are to scare you. If they get you to jump even the slightest, then they've done their job. Movie ratings and the people reviewing them are all from an opinionated standpoint. Some get scared, while others don't. If the person reviewing the film doesn't get anxious, nervous, or scared at all, then it gets a poor rating. The only horror critics I will even consider are those that are actually horror movie directors or creators. I can't stand the others that actually shoot down the movie because it isn't thought-provoking enough or believeable. Think about it. Some of the greatest horror movies around aren't believeable (think Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Hellraiser).
Oh, and I laugh during every single "scary" movie. I have never had one scare me, but that's just me.
...ninja
Gotta see it!!!!!!
"You just handle the justice, and I'll handle the revenge myself."
man saw 4 was some f u c k e d up s h i t, and the end was really confusing with flashing back to the previous Saw and it was really crazy traps.
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So I have an idea... let's NOT talk about the movie until tomorrow and post up a seperate thread with the spoilers in that one. I didn't need to know that they flash back to that movie... keep that **** to yourself dude.
...ninja
Se7en is great!!
I like saw I
saw II too much gore for me..lol
never seen III
maybe I will see IV, but i think horror movies has lost some of their touch, most recent horror movie i seen was hollween crap! suck balls
If Saw II was too much gore for you, then you probably won't be into Saw III.
its flash backs, i didnt tell you what they flashed back too, they do that s h i t in all of them just about. You should have been ready for a spoiler in a movie thread especially when we said above that we were about to watch it... and really, who cares, just watch the movie.
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Yea I guess, im a lil screamies asian kid!!! lol
hAlloween crap??? WTF is wrong with you, that movie was freakin beautiful
Vtec Keep Left, Slow Traffic Keep Right....
Yay, good...
I still don't think I want to pay for it though...
I thought the remake of Halloween was actually good. It must have been, considering the creator/director, John Carpenter, himself, gave Rob Zombie his blessing on the film. Granted it didn't end the way it should have, but it did have more in the way of WHY it happened the way it did. Halloween "crap" came about after the second, original, Halloween movie was released. The same goes for most continuations of films, long after the original creator has dismissed the series (Most of the seconds, thirds, and so fourth are written and directed by someone completely different that the original, with only an "Ok" to stand behind the release). I have much respect for the originals, but the remakes are pretty amazing in themselves. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and TCM:The Beginning both did their job in remaking the films and adding to questions that the originals brought about. Anyway, it's noticable that most all horror films now are about who can produce the most gore. The Saw series, as well as most any film produced by Lions Gate Films, are winning, hands down. Why? Because they undertake and release independent films.
A comment in this thread stated that "a 5th grader wrote it." Well, it was something along those lines. Anyway, the first Saw film WAS an independent film. Hell, one of the writers (I think it was the writer of the film anyway) was also the photographer from the film (I don't remember his name off the top of my head). The fact is, people debate on what differentiates "good" horror from "bad" horror. Nobody is right on this because it varies from person to person, along with their tastes in films and what they look for altogether. A movie is made to entertain you, while following the basics for whatever genre they are trying to go for.
Sorry this turned into a rant. I just wanted to express my opinions on this matter... I'm still going to see the movie, although I doubt too much will 1-up the movie 30 Days of Night.
...ninja
But alot of people (maybe not everyone in here) don't like movies to be spoiled. Notice how there was a Halo 3 thread, and then one for those that actually beat the game? It's called respect, that's all. If you want to discuss the film, just make another thread. Is it really that hard?
On another note, I know that they all flashback to different parts of the other films. I just was stating that I didn't need to know that it was from the first film, or any other for that matter.
...ninja
Leigh Whanell...hah, and he's Australian too. He was the younger guy in Saw I.
yeah, I suck with names. I don't even care about actors actually. If the movie can make me say "holy **** that was awesome", then it's done it's job. haha
...ninja
reason i didnt like the movie was because, the movie pace was to fast, it really didn't explain certain parts. Like when the kid that murder everyone was in the insitution, and sudden 15 years later the doctor wrote a book about him being a devil child, and how all the stars was aline and such? The movie didn't explain why he was a devil child or I might have missed it. Also if you were locked up most of the time for 15years making mask, how the hell you become that strong? even if you tall as ****, you still need to work out to become that strong, unless you poping steroids! lol
The movie wasn't scary for the most part, unless their was a sudden pop up here and there, other then that the movie just fell out for me after the kid murder his family.
Horror movies doesn't have to be realistic, but have to be believiable to be good in my book.
where the hell do these people keep up coming up with crazy ideas on how to torture someone. im going to see it saturday though. hopefully itll be awesome. alot of movies lately have let me down.
Yeah some of us havent seen the movie yet, so when you reveal details about it, please head your post with SPOILER ALERT!!!! That is all
you'll be surprise how twisted the human psychic really is.
doood that movie kicked ass! just saw it tonight... haven't seen any of the saw's before but you dont really need too. damn, good thing i didnt eat lasagna or spaghetti before hand lol.
Saw IV of what?
*fail on myself, lol bedtime
wow.. this thread took off!
I can't wait to see it tomorrow!
twoONEoh
so you said you dont know why hes a devil child??? i guess you missed the first of the movie....reason i didnt like the movie was because, the movie pace was to fast, it really didn't explain certain parts. Like when the kid that murder everyone was in the insitution, and sudden 15 years later the doctor wrote a book about him being a devil child, and how all the stars was aline and such? The movie didn't explain why he was a devil child or I might have missed it. Also if you were locked up most of the time for 15years making mask, how the hell you become that strong? even if you tall as ****, you still need to work out to become that strong, unless you poping steroids! lol
The movie wasn't scary for the most part, unless their was a sudden pop up here and there, other then that the movie just fell out for me after the kid murder his family.
Horror movies doesn't have to be realistic, but have to be believiable to be good in my book.
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the only thing i knew was when the doctor talks about the alining of the planets or stars and that the child was the child of the devil.
Even if the story explain it, still the movie was not believible how he broke out of his stackles like it was nothing. Also how he got shot 3 time by that pistol,and it didn't cause him any harm, like a shatterd shoulder maybe. I can say more on it but, back to the subject of Saw.lol
Last edited by dc2teg2006; 10-26-2007 at 11:34 AM.
wow i dont even have to watch the movie, its all here.
Yeah pretty much lol. I guess they just think everyone has seen it already just because they've seen it.
"You just handle the justice, and I'll handle the revenge myself."
so I guess that the original Halloween was more believeable? Seriously, in that he got shot out of a WINDOW, and he still was unscathed. Adrenaline does wonders, and considering he was probably drugged up from all the meds they were giving him, it doesn't suprise me in the slightest that he was able to break the cuffs holding him there. I don't understand why people try to analize films. They are to entertain, not to show what you can and can't do. Since when were films not based off of any real fact realistic or believeable?the only thing i knew was when the doctor talks about the alining of the planets or stars and that the child was the child of the devil.
Even if the story explain it, still the movie was not believible how he broke out of his stackles like it was nothing. Also how he got shot 3 time by that pistol,and it didn't cause him any harm, like a shatterd shoulder maybe. I can say more on it but, back to the subject of Saw.
Last edited by ubers2k; 10-26-2007 at 12:50 PM.
...ninja
actually, come to think of it, I don't think there is a single horror film out there that could really be considered "believeable."
...ninja
even tho .50 got shot 9 times, he didn't just get up and walked like nothing happen, he was hostipalize and recondition back to normal. I can't speak about the believiablity of the original Halloween because I didn't see it. It just no believeable to me. the critics gave the move a C, and I give it a C as well. You are entitle to your opinion. Se7en made sense in a twisted way, this didn't to me, it miss something in it!!
eh, to each his own... Michael did go down though, remember?
Go watch the original Halloween and then tell me which is more believeable. I think you'd be suprised. Anyway, I'm out... gonna go get tickets for Saw 4 tonight.
...ninja
LOL!! there is a difference in realistic and believable. Believable is like, yeah that could happen if that that thing was real, or that happen in real life. But a man just broke out of metal shackles like that. comon you have to admitted that **** was unrealistic!
I disagree. There are good horror movies out there that are still being made (i.e. 1408 and 28 Weeks Later IMO), but purely gory films are not scary whatsoever. For example, the guys that made Hostel knew that their movie wasn't scary, so they hyped up the gore in all their advertisements.
I said one reason that SAW was bad because it wasn't believable was because it is just supposed to be a human serial killer killing other people, so IMO, it should be pretty believable. Also, that was far from my only complaint about the movie. The movies you listed are good, and they don't have to be believable at all. Two different categories of horror movies IMO.
It takes more than a couple pop ups and gory scenes for a movie to scare me, especially when the main character (Cary Elwes from Robin Hood: Men in Tights), makes William Shatner look like the best actor ever. Also, I see more complex twists when I tie my shoes than when I watch SAW.
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SPOILER FOR HALLOWEEN Remake...
Depends on the grade of metal, etc. etc. Funny thing was that the first time I saw the remake, it was online. That whole part was not in the first cut of the film. The version I saw played out like this...
Michael was in his room, working on a mask (go figure). Two of the gaurds were there, checking on the rooms. Only problem was that they were actually ****ing around with the patients. They took one of the girls out of the room and proceeded to Michaels' room. They then took her and started to try to rape her IN Michaels' room. He got pissed, killed one of the guys, and took off through the open doorway.
There were other parts that weren't the same, like the stabbing of the nurse when his mother was visiting. During that, all you see is the screen showing the nurse get attacked. The original cut showed that the nurse INSTIGATED the stabbing with her stating that "the kid in the picture was cute and couldn't be related to him" (kid being Michaels' younger sister).
IMO, the first cut was the best one. I didn't like how it ended and prefer the theatrical cut better in that aspect.
...ninja
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