XBox 360 vs. PS3

[The12lber]

so you say i didnt touch the game arguement. If you had read most of this thread you would understand why. im not stupid enough to think that i can argue people into liking games. Ive said many times if u want halo well by all means u get urself a 360 and ull be happy. we all do things for different reasons.

The thing is, there are a lot of AAA quality games on 360 like BioShock, Gears of War and Halo, all of which will be followed with high quality sequels.

Playstation's best offerings are the at best above average RFOM (metacritic it) and Warhawk (again, if you don't believe this is the consensus opinion, feel free to look it up).

And yes.. upscaling doesnt make it HD. HD is HD. no beating around the bush. Halo3 looks nice but it isnt HD. it could have looked alot better. And its still not HD btw. Anti Aliasing and upscaling doesnt make things 1080p. Sorry. Those are finite rules and regulations on what is HD and what isn't.

You're right, those pixels are imaginary.

But yes as others have mentioned it.

ps3 has sold most units since its launch than the 360 did in a similar time frame. both systems lacked games in similar time frames. Except now the ps3 is maturing at a faster rate with the games being released in the next 6 months that the 360 lacked in their 10-16 month schedule.

Games like... I'm waiting... really... Flopzone 2?

Metal Gear Solid 4 is on the way, that's a game.

And no matter who says what the 34% failure rate is a big deal. Dont even lie saying its not. Go buy a car that breaks down 34% of the time and of that 10% isnt covered under warranty by the manufacturer. thats right.. not everything is replaced by microsoft. Ive sold 3 360's to one lady.. why her husband is stupid enough to keep buying more because he doesnt wanna sell his 200$ library of 4 games..

3 year warranty. Its not a perfect solution and its still a pain in the ass, but its not a dealbreaker.

Also, they started adding more heatsinks a while ago, so please QQ about this some more.

For alot of people, not everyone so dont come back saying 'well i dont care about it so it isnt true" blu-ray movie capability built in is a nice and huge deal. If media wasn't a deal then the 360 wouldnt even offer a hd dvd add on.

No, its really not.
The thing is, that's an ADD ON, they made it optional because they knew it wasn't essential to playing games.

Oh and the thing about some dudes gf asking questions about a game... that will never happen with the ps3?? how is that even remotely a arguement that can be substantiated. if i saw a midget dive off a cliff only to land on a llama in middle of new york while playing the ps3 can i say u'll never see that happen on a 360?

I was actually arguing that you would most likely never find yourself in a situation in which someone who has no interest in video gaming in general would be caught dead playing co-op all night with their girlfriend in attendance on a PS3 (I don't think Lair is quite that game really).

either way i havnt seen the above happen and actually yes i've had many girls ask me questions about games and gaming on my pc, ps3, ps2, wii while i was playing with their bf or someones bf asking while i was playing with their gf or just random people. so yes it happens.

Congratulations. You've been asked a question about a video game. If you notice I kind of just threw that part in at the end of my statement, because it didn't really matter.

the arguement quoated above that you said isnt true also. its a matter of opinion. there are people who do nothing but play racing games day in and day out as there are people who play fps's day in and day out. I play both. Not all the time but i play both. + other types also. You may not like racing games or think they have any depth but keep in mind you think fps have depth because you play on line. And the idea of racing games is to play alone. Racing games can be played online btw.

Actually, its because an FPS can boast far more features and the nature of the gameplay itself requires more promlematic decision making and more varied playstyles. If you don't believe me I invite you to watch one of my Halo 3 replays from the ranked playlists on a friend's Xbox.

But thanks for putting words in my metaphorical mouth.

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therwise you tell me you play bioshock alll the time and it has superior depth and replayability? It certainly does not. Neither does halo campaign. or half life campaign. or UT campaign. But all their multiplayers.. cept bio of course do have it. Its the interaction of other people that make the games fun btw, not so much the game itself. Imagine if the game your playing was playing "online" still but vs bots instead of people it would be no fun.

You're right, campaigns suck. BioShock got all those awesome reviews because MS paid the publications off.

Basically, this argument is erroneous.

Being a vid World of warcraft player i can say the same thing. the game sucks if no one is online. Sometimes when i log in and no oen i know is on its boring as hell and i leave.

either way im done as ive said before in the the arguement is simple. The ps3 is a superior hardware device. the 360 has a larger *not necessarily better* software lineup. Not neccesarily cus i dont enjoy fps on consoles so the ps3's wider list of genre's is my preference. esp since i can import games from japan as i can read it. But again in the end people will buy the system with the games they want to play. be it halo or be it mgs4. the end. And im sorry but that last part no one can argue unless your simply just looking to argue and if thats the case, please die and yes this is a very very long run on sentence.

The only piece of Hardware that could be argued is better on a PS3 is the "CELL" processor, which most developers complain is notoriously difficult to program for and is why you see multi-platform games consistently release last on PS3.

Xbox 360 actually has more RAM and a superior GPU.

All the processes performed on a PS3 are bottlenecked at the RAM (it just doesn't have enough). Hence, in practice, no, the PS3 is not superior and you are foolish to think it is just because it came out a year later or boasts a larger price tag.

That's all.

[Mr.Big]

Get both!!

[BB6dohcvtec]

That's all.

shh your argument makes no sense.

[The12lber]

shh your argument makes no sense.

Until you can rationalize why my argument is invalid it stands.

[DemonEyez]

Until you can rationalize why my argument is invalid it stands.

i did invalidate most of your arguements. you just spew the same stuff out. again you feel your opinion is the only one that counts on games.

and sure upscaling creates the pixels but in the end what determines the quality is the Source.

or are you gonna tell me upscaling dvd = hd dvdor even blu-ray?

I can watch that video of yours sure. u wanna watch some of mine? we could throw them at each other. it will be a game! not.

I love how you try to create a valid arguement and judge a game such as killzone 2 without playing it or seeing it in action. That alone will make everyone think you have the best arguement on here.

3 years isnt that great of a warranty if still 10% of those 34% arent warrantied. and u still have to deal with delays on getting your unit back etc etc when you ship em out.

P.S adding heatsinks doesnt solve the problem and it hasnt so far. The problem was the core architecture thus they wanted to redesign it with the falcon core.

your right hd dvd wasnt essential to play games. but blu-ray was because 5 years later games will need 50gb to play.. and the 360 will be looking for some other way to fully incorporate it games.. ooo i know lets make the game downloads. So people have to buy our stupidly priced hd's.

your arguement that fps's have more varied gamestyles isnt true. play on any server for just 3 days and u'll be able to notice how each and every player plays. they do the same things. its not hard.

play starcraft and you'll see just as many different people play different ways. its not just fps's. What does make fps's generally more popular is that anyone can play it and be somewhat decent. you dont have to be smart to play em and so realistically its a great genre for most people in the U.S. we want a mindless game. puzzle games dont do well like they do elsewhere. Rpg's dont do as well. strategy games dont also.

btw having more ram doesnt mean its better. the architecture on the ps3 and how it efficiently utilizes its resources makes it far superior. case and point look at the older p4's and the older amd's regarding their l1 and l2 caches. the amd's ran alot better due to how they set the architecture and the intel's worked but kinda sucked it up. nowdays intel's learned tho.

Again same with GPU.

you sir also provide idiotic statements. That i think its superior because it costs more. I know its superior because i know how it works. and yes its harder to program but in time with dev kits it will become easier. everything that was new at one point was "hard to program" but now their considered easy.

Annnnd if i continue typing anymore the prof is gonna throw me outta the class.

[The12lber]

i did invalidate most of your arguements. you just spew the same stuff out. again you feel your opinion is the only one that counts on games.

and sure upscaling creates the pixels but in the end what determines the quality is the Source.

or are you gonna tell me upscaling dvd = hd dvdor even blu-ray?

I can watch that video of yours sure. u wanna watch some of mine? we could throw them at each other. it will be a game! not.

You're not honestly going to try and argue to me that there's as much depth to gameplay in a racing game as there is in an FPS are you?

I love how you try to create a valid arguement and judge a game such as killzone 2 without playing it or seeing it in action. That alone will make everyone think you have the best arguement on here.


I actually have seen Killzone Two in action.
Also, Killzone 1 sucked.

3 years isnt that great of a warranty if still 10% of those 34% arent warrantied. and u still have to deal with delays on getting your unit back etc etc when you ship em out.

All I really have to say about this is "oh well". If you're buying a system now that isn't a concern.

P.S adding heatsinks doesnt solve the problem and it hasnt so far. The problem was the core architecture thus they wanted to redesign it with the falcon core.

Actually, the problem was it was overheating.

The idea with the 65nm "Falcon" core is it generates less heat, they're taking more than one step to remedy the problem.

your right hd dvd wasnt essential to play games. but blu-ray was because 5 years later games will need 50gb to play.. and the 360 will be looking for some other way to fully incorporate it games.. ooo i know lets make the game downloads. So people have to buy our stupidly priced hd's.

5 years from now we will be in a new generation of systems entirely.

your arguement that fps's have more varied gamestyles isnt true. play on any server for just 3 days and u'll be able to notice how each and every player plays. they do the same things. its not hard.

If you actually read what I said you'd notice that I was saying there are more elements to an FPS than pulling the trigger quickly and centering your crosshairs on a head. Must I state everything explicitly?

play starcraft and you'll see just as many different people play different ways. its not just fps's. What does make fps's generally more popular is that anyone can play it and be somewhat decent. you dont have to be smart to play em and so realistically its a great genre for most people in the U.S. we want a mindless game. puzzle games dont do well like they do elsewhere. Rpg's dont do as well. strategy games dont also.

I was actually comparing FPS to racing games. Read and comprehend.

btw having more ram doesnt mean its better. the architecture on the ps3 and how it efficiently utilizes its resources makes it far superior. case and point look at the older p4's and the older amd's regarding their l1 and l2 caches. the amd's ran alot better due to how they set the architecture and the intel's worked but kinda sucked it up. nowdays intel's learned tho.

Yeah, why would you want enough RAM so that way it doesn't bottle neck the data? That is ridiculous.

Furthermore, why do you bring something TOTALLY unrelated into this? The intel and AMD bit has NO relevance at all.

Again same with GPU.

Yeah, I'm sure you don't want the best GPU when you buy a gaming computer either.

you sir also provide idiotic statements. That i think its superior because it costs more. I know its superior because i know how it works. and yes its harder to program but in time with dev kits it will become easier. everything that was new at one point was "hard to program" but now their considered easy.

Really? Because an actual quote from the Splinter Cell developers is "PS3 isn't capable of generating quality AI".

And that is why Splinter Cell will not be revisiting Playstation 3.

Annnnd if i continue typing anymore the prof is gonna throw me outta the class.

If you really want to continue saying "nuh uh, nuh uh" I'll be forced to dig up the articles, but if you'd like me to I will.