NOT THE SAME EXACT THING

If you read in the fine print it specifically states it is :
Product condition: Onkyo Factory Reconditioned

So once again, this item is brand new and not REFURBISHED
if anyone has done any research on these things, the refurbs have problems with feedback through the hdmi inputs/outputs and the speaker connections.

So nice try and thanks for showing people that REFURBS are right around the price i'm asking for an unused perfect condition unit purchased DIRECTLY from Onkyo