LS/Vtec discussion & Questions

[jfrolang]

Ugh.. I'm not arguing over that. I'm saying that you NEED tuning. End of story.

[SlamminCRX]

i agree.

[EvasiveEF9]

No, you're still missing it. It doesn't matter that you're using all stock parts, you're not using a stock configuration.

Gotta realize a hybrid motor is not a stock motor. Honda didn't make an ECU for a LS/Vtec or B20/Vtec...

Quoted for smarts.

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch,[/B] and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDIN' ME!?!?

[southside]

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch, and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

You always talk big about your shit that's not even done.


Prove


i Dont pull that bullshit cause if idk what im talking about i try to keep my mouth shut and ask for help. i ask for help so i can learn which is another reason of why this forum is here for.
/rant

Once again you talk more than you know....Hmm if im not done would you like to setup a race this weekend...Other than that stay on here and STFU....When have I talked once about what I have other than to Dare,and Jermaine because they dislike my setup other than that Never So once again just sit back and STFU PS.Remember U tried to call me out and you aint know what you were talking about..So stop trying to get smart and just listen sometimes and you will get further than you are now

[sakasaku]

Quoted for smarts.

ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDIN' ME!?!?

SRY! i cant beleive i forgot my homeskillet bisqiut

Ben AKA EvasiveEF9 <3(no homo) sry

[Grimm Reeper]

[sakasaku]

SO anyways back on topic... i am wantin to build this motor balls to the walls crazy, like barley streetable, cause when i finish this i have a new job and where i make more than 7.28 an hour(soon to bee 8.00)!
i can just by a beater and have this as a weekend car !

this is one additon id like to do!

http://www.obxracingsports.com/products.php?pk=1456#

[00CelicaGT]

not a bad idea, but i would look into there shit, see wat other people think also people who have bought the product aswell. obx is known for knock off items, so buyer beware.

[southside]

I have heard alot of bad things about obx,So I would check around I havent seen anyone with that setup yet...though

[sakasaku]

i have been researching HT

[sakasaku]

lol tony

[SlamminCRX]

haha, kind of subject but i got an obx manifold for free,put it on my eg, turbonetics t3 turbo, worked great, changed the turbo to a Precision SC61 on 10 pounds and it blew the welds of the manifold the first time i got on it

LOL, that kinda explains how good obx is. it was free tho so yea

[bigdare23]

FUCK OBX!!!

[EvasiveEF9]

Thank you, peanut gallery...

[sakasaku]

i was just stating i wanted ITBs thats the only company i know of that makes them
if you know any can i have a link to them pls?

[Grimm Reeper]

i was just stating i wanted ITBs thats the only company i know of that makes them
if you know any can i have a link to them pls?

ITB's seriously


Well if you have the money for all that and then the tuning, there's no half assing around on that.

[southside]

Yea I heard tuning ITB's is no joke and is expensive...

[sakasaku]

There not a definate yet just a thought

[Grimm Reeper]

There not a definate yet just a thought

A thought huh There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, it's if it's within your reach homie. Don't go broke building a Honda You'll possibly regret it down the road when you think of what else of a higher priority that you could of had. Some more of my

[EvasiveEF9]

A thought huh There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, it's if it's within your reach homie. Don't go broke building a Honda You'll possibly regret it down the road when you think of what else of a higher priority that you could of had. Some more of my

My car would be paid off, or my monthly payments would at LEAST be cut in half...

[slow_hatch]

Scrap all of this if you are wanting to go big.

Your current build < K20

[sakasaku]

Scrap all of this if you are wanting to go big.

Your current build < K20

i am going to build the b series

so any ways ummm......

[southside]

I say you build Poor Man Type-R haha my friend has one and he walks on Ks and H22 hatches....

[colelsvtec]

i have 96 ls itr i plan on slowly building an ls v-tec i just here so much different shit from all my buddies trying to tell me the right way to build it any suggestions and a part list with est. cost

[00CelicaGT]

check the link i posted on page 1, post #5

[sakasaku]

ant, your sig is disgusting,

[00CelicaGT]

lol thanx thats wat i was going for.

[sakasaku]

Okay so i Hear that CTR is an aggressive intake cam so whats an aggressive Exhaust cam?

Ant were did you go to have your Oil alley plugged or Welded shut?

and i am thinking...

B16b

OR

B18c5

with CTR intake came
_______exhaust cam
ITR valve train
CTR pistons on LS rods
LS crank
ARP main rod bolts
ARP head studs
B16 Flywheel ( lighted to 15lbs) ITR weight
B16 trans (what i got now)

This is just what i've been thinking about tell me what you think or what would make my setup better?

[jfrolang]

The best OEM exhaust cam is a B17, CTR gets a close second. Unless you're hard up for cash though, or just want to build an all-OEM engine, you should really get some aftermarket cams. Skunk2 Pro-series FTW.

[sakasaku]

The best OEM exhaust cam is a B17, CTR gets a close second. Unless you're hard up for cash though, or just want to build an all-OEM engine, you should really get some aftermarket cams. Skunk2 Pro-series FTW.

I would like to go after aftermarket but i want to see how much power i can make from OEM parts, i will probably upgrade later but for now its OEM.

B16b head
with CTR intake came
B17 exhaust cam
ITR valve train
CTR pistons on LS rods
LS crank
ARP main rod bolts
ARP head studs
B16 Flywheel ( lighted to 15lbs) ITR weight
B16 trans (what i got now)

For this with a B16b head what ECU should i use?

[southside]

I would like to go after aftermarket but i want to see how much power i can make from OEM parts, i will probably upgrade later but for now its OEM.




For this with a B16b head what ECU should i use?

p28

[sakasaku]

Civic Type R ECU? i don't think that's right

[00CelicaGT]

u can run a P28 u just have to get it chipped and tuned. u can also use a P72 aswell.

i have a P28 that im going to have it chipped with Hondata S300.

i would suggest u use ITR pistons, if u use CTR u are going to have to clay the motor to check for valve to piston clearence. with the ITR pistion u will be somewhere around 12-12.5:1, which is plenty. if u use the CTR u will have really high compression (almost 13+:1) which will not live off of pump gas, and will cost an arm and a leg to tune the engine properly so that u wont have any detenation.

but it might work in ur favor since ur using a B16 head which has larger combustion chanbers compared to the GSR and might bring down the compression some. but u would still have to clay the motor which is a very hard process which alot of people dont know how to do properly.

i also suggest that u add ACL main and rod bearings and the Golden Eagle LS/VTEC kit with the their head gasket.

also why dony u just buy a ITR flywheel instead if getting the B16 machined

[jfrolang]

I would suggest measuring and ordering the appropriate sized Honda bearings, instead of ACL. ACL bearings are fine for a stock rebuild, but I wouldn't use them for a high-revving custom build.

Also, get an aftermarket flywheel, unless of course you're still stuck on OEM parts.

[00CelicaGT]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.

[sakasaku]

I would suggest measuring and ordering the appropriate sized Honda bearings, instead of ACL. ACL bearings are fine for a stock rebuild, but I wouldn't use them for a high-revving custom build.

Also, get an aftermarket flywheel, unless of course you're still stuck on OEM parts.

on that flywheel i am considering that.... it all depends on wear i am with money then, but if i am short on money i know a guy that will resurface for 25 and lighten for a few extra bucks!

ACL research now

[southside]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.

I havent seen anyone complain about acl race bearings.But Oem is nice if you have the cash.

[00CelicaGT]

on that flywheel i am considering that.... it all depends on wear i am with money then, but if i am short on money i know a guy that will resurface for 25 and lighten for a few extra bucks!

ACL research now

i though u were going to take ur time and do it right the first time. money should not be an issue if ur taking ur time to do it right, cuz when i dont have the funds to get wat i want im not going to settle for something less to save some pennies.

[bigdare23]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.

If I'm not mistaking, ACL race bearings don't last longer, but they do allow higher revvs due to a lower frictions.

[southside]

If I'm not mistaking, ACL race bearings don't last longer, but they do allow higher revvs due to a lower frictions.

How much are Oem bearings?Compared to Acl