LS/Vtec discussion & Questions

[sakasaku]

Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have?

2)What Ecu?

3)Which harnass?

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons
4)Eagle ls Rods
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one?
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket
8)Type-r oil pump
9)Type-r water pump
10)B16 cable trans.....for now(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass?
18)ecu?
19)hytech headers
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks

[00CelicaGT]

ALC rod & main bearings
new thrust washers (use OEM)
new valve seals (use OEM)
good after market cams are skunk2 pro 1's
ferra valve guides (installed by machine shop)

im probably forgetting some stuff, but ill up date as i remember

as far as head studs go! use head studs to match the head u buy!

[00CelicaGT]

ALC rod & main bearings
new thrust washers (use OEM)
new valve seals (use OEM)
good after market cams are skunk2 pro 1's
ferra valve guides (installed by machine shop)

im probably forgetting some stuff, but ill up date as i remember

as far as head studs go! use head studs to match the head u buy!

my mistake on this part. here is the correct answer for ur head studs, i had to do a little research.

The ones you need for this hybrid setup are the GSR/ITR studs/bolts. Do NOT use the B16or B18a/b studs. They are the incorrect length.

[VickNotic]

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons (ITS' FORSALE ON IA)
4)Eagle ls Rods (STOCK IS FINE UNLESS YOU A BEATER)
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? (EAGLE IF YOU BALLING)
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket (STOCK GSR HEAD GASKET)
8)Type-r oil pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
9)Type-r water pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
10)B16 cable trans.....for now(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain (
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec? (ACT, EXEDY)
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota SKUNK2'S ARE GOOD, SELL ME UR ITR CAMS<--DEY NO GOOD
17)harnass? YOUR STOCK ONE IS FINE, you'll just have to pinn up knock sensor/vtec solinoid/
18)ecu? p72, p28
19)hytech headers (if your balling great headers fo n/a)
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks
21) ACl main & rod bearings
22) timing belt kit
and some more misc gasket kit, main seals,
valve guides, valve seals, cam seals, head gasket kit,

[sakasaku]

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons (ITS' FORSALE ON IA)
4)Eagle ls Rods (STOCK IS FINE UNLESS YOU A BEATER)
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? (EAGLE IF YOU BALLING)
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket (STOCK GSR HEAD GASKET)
8)Type-r oil pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
9)Type-r water pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
10)B16 cable trans.....for now(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain (
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec? (ACT, EXEDY)
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota SKUNK2'S ARE GOOD, SELL ME UR ITR CAMS<--DEY NO GOOD
17)harnass? YOUR STOCK ONE IS FINE, you'll just have to pinn up knock sensor/vtec solinoid/
18)ecu? p72, p28
19)hytech headers (if your balling great headers fo n/a)
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks
21) ACl main & rod bearings
22) timing belt kit
and some more misc gasket kit, main seals,
valve guides, valve seals, cam seals, head gasket kit,

i appreciate it!

[00CelicaGT]

here read this, u might even want to join... this fourm helped me alot with my LS/VTEC build, pretty much answered all my questions.

this even goes into detail about wat oil to use when breaking in a freshly rebuilt motor.

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...tec-guide.html

[EvasiveEF9]

Hope this helps. Double check on your ECU/motor codes. I can't remember. I remember Pr4 is LS, though...

Oh, yeah, and use BNIB ACL or OEM bearings ALL AROUND. Make sure you remember the color codes from the bearings you removed. If you can't, toss them, and get ACLs. Either one is just as good of quality as the other.

Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have? ARP studs for the head. ARP rod bolts for...the rod bolts.

2)What Ecu? I think either the GSR or Si (P72?) OBD1. DO THE OBD1 SWITCH! It'll be chipped.

3)Which harnass? If you wanna spend bank, get the hasport OBD0-1 harness. If you wanna get a little crafty and save some money get the Boomslang harness. For your motor, I don't recall which harness you're supposed to use.

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head IA or HT. Check with some local shops, too, as they may have it laying around.
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons IA/HT. Use ONLY OEM honda pistons. Don't try to save money by buying some afternarket ones. You can sometimes find BNIB ones for sale on HT.
4)Eagle ls Rods HT, but a good set of LS rods will hold up just find.
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? K.I.S.S. Use the LS one.
6)eagle ls/vtec kit Check HT, but Ebay is more likely.
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket Check HT, but Ebay is more likely
8)Type-r oil pump You can use GSR, or ITR. Just has to be VTEC. Get a NEW one. Direct from Honda, or sometimes Napa (look for stamped logos). Check HT, first.
9)Type-r water pump Same answer as above as far as where to get. But you can also use an Si.
10)B16 cable trans.....for now(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain Save time and money. Do it once, do it right.
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight) It's easier/better to just buy an aftermarket one that's new or fairly new. Resurface it if it needs it
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs You can get these used, and sometimes it's better to. That way, any stretching has already been done. Check HT.
15)Arp rod bolts Same as above. Consider a used set. Check HT.
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass? ECU Harness; Boomslang. Motor...I can't recall which you're supposed to use. Check into Hasport.com
18)ecu? Again, check HT, and again, I think it's P72...
19)hytech headers. Check password, as well. Mugen is pretty good. Just don't go egay or DC Sports. Keep in mind the clearance of the front crossmember, under the oil pan, your O2 sensor port location/clearance, and under-car clearance.
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks

[sakasaku]

Hope this helps. Double check on your ECU/motor codes. I can't remember. I remember Pr4 is LS, though...

Oh, yeah, and use BNIB ACL or OEM bearings ALL AROUND. Make sure you remember the color codes from the bearings you removed. If you can't, toss them, and get ACLs. Either one is just as good of quality as the other.

Originally Posted by sakasaku
Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have? ARP studs for the head. ARP rod bolts for...the rod bolts.

2)What Ecu? I think either the GSR or Si (P72?) OBD1. DO THE OBD1 SWITCH! It'll be chipped.

3)Which harnass? If you wanna spend bank, get the hasport OBD0-1 harness. If you wanna get a little crafty and save some money get the Boomslang harness. For your motor, I don't recall which harness you're supposed to use.

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head IA or HT. Check with some local shops, too, as they may have it laying around.
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons IA/HT. Use ONLY OEM honda pistons. Don't try to save money by buying some afternarket ones. You can sometimes find BNIB ones for sale on HT.
4)Eagle ls Rods HT, but a good set of LS rods will hold up just find.
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? K.I.S.S. Use the LS one.
6)eagle ls/vtec kit Check HT, but Ebay is more likely.
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket Check HT, but Ebay is more likely
8)Type-r oil pump You can use GSR, or ITR. Just has to be VTEC. Get a NEW one. Direct from Honda, or sometimes Napa (look for stamped logos). Check HT, first.
9)Type-r water pump Same answer as above as far as where to get. But you can also use an Si.
10)B16 cable trans.....for now(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain Save time and money. Do it once, do it right.
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight) It's easier/better to just buy an aftermarket one that's new or fairly new. Resurface it if it needs it
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs You can get these used, and sometimes it's better to. That way, any stretching has already been done. Check HT.
15)Arp rod bolts Same as above. Consider a used set. Check HT.
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass? ECU Harness; Boomslang. Motor...I can't recall which you're supposed to use. Check into Hasport.com
18)ecu? Again, check HT, and again, I think it's P72...
19)hytech headers. Check password, as well. Mugen is pretty good. Just don't go egay or DC Sports. Keep in mind the clearance of the front crossmember, under the oil pan, your O2 sensor port location/clearance, and under-car clearance.
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks





thanx ben it is p72 for gsr, i hear that type-r and gsr part are pretty much the same?
and almost everything or maybe everything is going to be new!

i a mabout to get my raise from my promoyion so i be make a little more cheese(Qoute from dare) and do this right

[Papa_Smurf]

hey sakasaku, if you are looking to get rid of ur b16 tranny, the hit me up...

[sakasaku]

hey sakasaku, if you are looking to get rid of ur b16 tranny, the hit me up...

only got a couple thousand miles since last rebuild to.....dont drool
i think about it and hit u up

[Papa_Smurf]

only got a couple thousand miles since last rebuild to.....dont drool
i think about it and hit u up

o0o0o0o, gimmie gimmie gimmie!

[sakasaku]

ummm alan ...... i am seriously considering this deal... you might be in luck... im sad but i may let it go

[bigdare23]

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914

This is the only set of information you need.

[00CelicaGT]

thats the same motherfucking shit i posted dare, just from the original site the guy posted it on.

[bigdare23]

thats the same motherfucking shit i posted dare, just from the original site the guy posted it on.

I dont think he got the point the 1st time LOL

[EvasiveEF9]

I think I'm gonna rep 00celica, dare...just cuz that way he'll feel better about posting it first. Besides, you're not allowed to have any more boxes...

Reps = life
You know that!

Saka...not EVERYTHING HAS to be new. It's advised, but there are some corners you can safely cut.

[00CelicaGT]

I think I'm gonna rep 00celica, dare...just cuz that way he'll feel better about posting it first. Besides, you're not allowed to have any more boxes...

Reps = life
You know that!

Saka...not EVERYTHING HAS to be new. It's advised, but there are some corners
you can safely cut.

no reps= IA penis size... and im trailing

look @ it this way saka, u can build it right the first time or.... u can build it half ass and then build it again when u blow it up.

u have the D series in the hatch now, which is good cuz ur not without a car anymore... now u can take your time and build it right. i have been planning, researching my build since march. i have been collecting parts since day 1 and now i am almost done. these things take time... unless ur balling!

ben is right not everything has to be new, this build is not going to be cheap. so cut cost when u can, i can get parts @ cost thats why i chose to replace old parts with new ones. i also if im going to build something im going to do it right and not half ass it!

[sakasaku]

as ben told me the day i bought the hatch from him, "Do it once, Do it Right" I plan to stick to it!

[SlamminCRX]

the threades they posted for you on there are the ones i went along with when i built my ls vtec...great thread

get the golden eagle ls vtec kit.

i have a b16 ecu in mine (pr3) but a chipped ecu would work best...i would convert to obd1 as well if you already havent...lots of companies make jumper harnesses...phearable is a good place to get an ecu from, just call them and tell them wat you got and they will send you an ecu with no problems


if i was you i will go ahead and build the bottom end, get eagle rods...get the ones that already come with the arp rod bolts so you dont have to get shotpeen them

i would run a stock ls crank...if your going all motor then get some high compression pistons...i dont think you can run b16 pistons on a 1.8 block.

with that you can rev your motor all day no problem...unlike me i got stock rods and pistons with arp rod bolts, acl bearings and thrust washers...stock b16 ecu, im preety scared to revv past 7500 seeing as how ls redline is like 6500 lol

[southside]

the threades they posted for you on there are the ones i went along with when i built my ls vtec...great thread

get the golden eagle ls vtec kit.

i have a b16 ecu in mine (pr3) but a chipped ecu would work best...i would convert to obd1 as well if you already havent...lots of companies make jumper harnesses...phearable is a good place to get an ecu from, just call them and tell them wat you got and they will send you an ecu with no problems


if i was you i will go ahead and build the bottom end, get eagle rods...get the ones that already come with the arp rod bolts so you dont have to get shotpeen them

i would run a stock ls crank...if your going all motor then get some high compression pistons...i dont think you can run b16 pistons on a 1.8 block.

with that you can rev your motor all day no problem...unlike me i got stock rods and pistons with arp rod bolts, acl bearings and thrust washers...stock b16 ecu, im preety scared to revv past 7500 seeing as how ls redline is like 6500 lol

Seems like you are lacking Honda knowledge buddy,Chipped ecu is good and all but tuned is the best way to go.Paying 140$ for a chipped ecu instead of spending another 140$ and getting your car tuned to run safely.Its up to you to protect your investment.Also you can run b16 pistons in a ls block. Unless you go to oversized then you will have to get oversized b16 pistons..25,.50 over from stock bore which is 81mm.Eagle rods are a good way to reliability.But if your el cheapo then arp rod bolts would help you rev safely.The weak part of ls motors is the rod bolts not the rods.Stock ls rods will rev safely to 8k max.Any higher and boom only reason it seems weird is because you dont trust Ls bottom ends due to the fact of people building them wrong and them blowing.Then they blame honda saying they have weak product.When really dumb dumbs try to rev stock ls to 9k 24/7

[SlamminCRX]

Seems like you are lacking Honda knowledge buddy,Chipped ecu is good and all but tuned is the best way to go.Paying 140$ for a chipped ecu instead of spending another 140$ and getting your car tuned to run safely.Its up to you to protect your investment.Also you can run b16 pistons in a ls block. Unless you go to oversized then you will have to get oversized b16 pistons..25,.50 over from stock bore which is 81mm.Eagle rods are a good way to reliability.But if your el cheapo then arp rod bolts would help you rev safely.The weak part of ls motors is the rod bolts not the rods.Stock ls rods will rev safely to 8k max.Any higher and boom only reason it seems weird is because you dont trust Ls bottom ends due to the fact of people building them wrong and them blowing.Then they blame honda saying they have weak product.When really dumb dumbs try to rev stock ls to 9k 24/7

lol dude, who gives a fuk about who knows more about honda knowledge, if your on a budget and have a stock ls vtec then you would go with a chipped ecu... i can see if you were boosting then get like hondata or some type of engine managment...but thats money, plus 140 would just be for some dyno tuning, you still need some kinda shit hooked up that you can tune...you really dont need all that for an ls/vtec to be realiabe...i said in my post that phearable makes very good ecu's...they are safe to run. on the other hand i agree with you about the rod bolts...i have stock ls rods on mine with arp rod bolts and i rev to 8k...dont do it normally but its been done.


00celica

i have a stock b16 head...i want some cams tho!...maybe some stage 2 bc cams.

[00CelicaGT]

i forgot... if ur going N/A i would use a GSR head due to the smaller combustion chambers, which will give u higher compression.

PTY REX wat head r u using? i have a GSR w/ brand new Type R valve train, and all new seals

[jfrolang]

A chipped ECU is nothing without tuning. Do you want your car to run ok, or do you want it to run great? Tuning is mandatory!

[southside]

A chipped ECU is nothing without tuning. Do you want your car to run ok, or do you want it to run great? Tuning is mandatory!

I see somone knows where the light is Thank Jfro

[SlamminCRX]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatory

[bigdare23]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatory

Gotta realize a hybrid motor is not a stock motor. Honda didn't make an ECU for a LS/Vtec or B20/Vtec...

[southside]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatory

actually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already. Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications .... So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

[Grimm Reeper]

actually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already. Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications .... So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

lol

[sakasaku]

actually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already. Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications .... So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

yeah they came tuned from the factory 16 to 20 years ago noob. Plus when you build a motor like i want to build you should tune it, to make it run the right, like jfro said "Its not a stock motor" and I you need to think before you type.

[jfrolang]

i agree with both of you that tuning is necessary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...

You're missing the point. An LS/VTEC isn't stock.

[SlamminCRX]

You're missing the point. An LS/VTEC isn't stock.

no no, i get the point, wat i meant by stock ls/vtec was like stock internals and such in the bottom end.

[southside]

Also chipping a ecu makes your car run better but not as great as it would tuned....

[The BUCKY]

shameless plug but i have a GE ls/v kit for sale

[SlamminCRX]

did i mention honda making ecu's for ls/v b20/v?

if you got a stock ls/vtec i beleive it is safe to run a chipped ecu...if you are on a budget it will save you a couple of dollars to run a chipped ecu instead of getting a bunch of shit to get tuned.

thats all i was trying to say. i wanst trying to say that tuning is useless...if you go back and read the post i never said anythign bad about tuning.

[KevinT707]

Get it tuned. End of the thread ..

[sakasaku]

lol no i am not ending this thread its just southside typing before he thinks....

[southside]

lol no i am not ending this thread its just southside typing before he thinks....

I see you ask alot of questions which mean you know nothing.So shut your fat a.ss up and listen.Seeing that Honda Researched the engine setup that they built.And created a basemap for your car .Hmm Smart guy...You talk more than you know

[sakasaku]

I see you ask alot of questions which mean you know nothing.So shut your fat a.ss up and listen.Seeing that Honda Researched the engine setup that they built.And created a basemap for your car .Hmm Smart guy...You talk more than you know

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for EvasiveEF9, Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch, and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

You always talk big about your shit that's not even done.

dude stop being a bit.ch and do a dig since your so fast.And if you beat me ill just get my friend to bring his stock b16 back out for you

Prove

Please stop homie!

This was what I'm talking about. Get your car DONE, then start making callouts. **** talking is worthless if you dont have anything to drive! Also, get off your homie's nuts. Those tactics are very childlish! Get you car finished FIRST, then run your mouth after your car is PROVEN. When you start draggin people by car lengths run your month how much you want, but until then, you're keep quiet and stop diss'n people.

Don't take this the wrong way, cuz you're cool lil homie, but you talk alot!

Boy you are like a younger version of TANK

i Dont pull that bullshit cause if idk what im talking about i try to keep my mouth shut and ask for help. i ask for help so i can learn which is another reason of why this forum is here for.
/rant

[southside]

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch, and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

You always talk big about your shit that's not even done.


Prove


i Dont pull that bullshit cause if idk what im talking about i try to keep my mouth shut and ask for help. i ask for help so i can learn which is another reason of why this forum is here for.
/rant

Once again you talk more than you know....Hmm if im not done would you like to setup a race this weekend...Other than that stay on here and STFU....When have I talked once about what I have other than to Dare,and Jermaine because they dislike my setup other than that Never So once again just sit back and STFU PS.Remember U tried to call me out and you aint know what you were talking about..So stop trying to get smart and just listen sometimes and you will get further than you are now

[jfrolang]

No, you're still missing it. It doesn't matter that you're using all stock parts, you're not using a stock configuration.