local autocross meets?

[StraightSix]

Thighs and QD seem to be the only peoplen with a brain here. (no offense)

Are *you* really the best person to be making that judgment, eh DK? Even better, have you read the entire thread?

Nearly no one has said that one should forego autocross in favor of a track event. I *did* say that one doesn't *need* to autocross before getting on track. There's a big difference.

I stand by the statement that autocross is a good way to have some fun with a car in a lower speed, lower risk environment than a track event. I'll also stand by the statement that once someone gets on track, autocross loses some, if not nearly all, of its appeal.

I don't think that one event is necessarily better than the other. They are both fun activities with pros and cons. Nor do I think that one must autocross before stepping up to a track event. A driver will learn lessons at both, but not necessarily the same lessons and further a car that isn't that great in an autocross can be a fantastic track car and vice versa. A great example, IMO, is a C5 Z06. People autocross and track those. IMO, the Z06 has too much power to be used effectively in a typical autocross setting, but those cars are fantastic track cars. Another example, EF Civics....great autocross cars but not so great a track car; after tracking and autocrossing mine, I really would like more horsepower on track so that I don't get passed by, literally, everything in the session.

[evilutionvii]

That IS a track event....on a road course, like Road Atlanta....

There are very few PDX hosted throughout the year and most of the time, its only a portion of the track with cones included. Take this weekends PDX at Roebling for example. Not the full course and is designed to be an entry level track event but at a fraction of the cost.

but not nearly as fun....

I would say that depends on the individuals personal interests

[matthewAPM]

street mod evo? what region you from?

[evilutionvii]

a relatively small one

[Z0_o6]

Are *you* really the best person to be making that judgment, eh DK? Even better, have you read the entire thread?

Nearly no one has said that one should forego autocross in favor of a track event. I *did* say that one doesn't *need* to autocross before getting on track. There's a big difference.

I stand by the statement that autocross is a good way to have some fun with a car in a lower speed, lower risk environment than a track event. I'll also stand by the statement that once someone gets on track, autocross loses some, if not nearly all, of its appeal.

I don't think that one event is necessarily better than the other. They are both fun activities with pros and cons. Nor do I think that one must autocross before stepping up to a track event. A driver will learn lessons at both, but not necessarily the same lessons and further a car that isn't that great in an autocross can be a fantastic track car and vice versa. A great example, IMO, is a C5 Z06. People autocross and track those. IMO, the Z06 has too much power to be used effectively in a typical autocross setting, but those cars are fantastic track cars. Another example, EF Civics....great autocross cars but not so great a track car; after tracking and autocrossing mine, I really would like more horsepower on track so that I don't get passed by, literally, everything in the session.

I can completely agree with this statement. My STi for example, would make an absolutely terrible Autocross car now, because I have a 35R on it, so I would never be able to get it spooled until too late, and if it does spool in 1st or 2nd gear into a corner, it does so violently that it will break traction and snap oversteer. On the track the power band would be much much more usable. Whereas when I autox'ed it almost stock, it did absolutely great (for me lol) but on the track I think it would be lacking some in the straights because of the very short gearing and (in my opinion) relatively low power to weight.

[StraightSix]

Whereas when I autox'ed it almost stock, it did absolutely great (for me lol) but on the track I think it would be lacking some in the straights because of the very short gearing and (in my opinion) relatively low power to weight.

I think you'd be surprised at how really quick and AWD car is on track. You can carry a lot more speed through a corner and get the power to the ground better. Lots of Subies appear at our events; everything from bone stock to stupid fast nearly all carbon fiber bodied monsters.

[Z0_o6]

I think you'd be surprised at how really quick and AWD car is on track. You can carry a lot more speed through a corner and get the power to the ground better. Lots of Subies appear at our events; everything from bone stock to stupid fast nearly all carbon fiber bodied monsters.

Oh I'm not gonna argue that! I can't wait to get mine to a track one day.

[evilutionvii]

Lots of Subies appear at our events; everything from bone stock to stupid fast nearly all carbon fiber bodied monsters.

You wouldn't be referring to Bart's 600hp Subie?

[Elbow]

There are very few PDX hosted throughout the year and most of the time, its only a portion of the track with cones included. Take this weekends PDX at Roebling for example. Not the full course and is designed to be an entry level track event but at a fraction of the cost.



I would say that depends on the individuals personal interests

Um...well come to Atlanta, you can run the FULL Road Atlanta, every SCCA weekend there... So your region sucks lolol.

[StraightSix]

You wouldn't be referring to Bart's 600hp Subie?

That's one of them. That car is straight up ridiculous.

[evilutionvii]

That's one of them. That car is straight up ridiculous.

He just bought topspeed's old red time attack subie. The motor he's droppin in that thing is insane.

[evilutionvii]

Um...well come to Atlanta, you can run the FULL Road Atlanta, every SCCA weekend there... So your region sucks lolol.

I'll eventually make my way up there. For now, i'm content with supporting my local region.

[©hris]

He just bought topspeed's old red time attack subie. The motor he's droppin in that thing is insane.

he was telling us about that at Barber. cant wait to see it

[claybird]

Can someone select me an event i cant find one

[Elbow]

Can someone select me an event i cant find one

www.soloatlanta.com....come on now...

[Tirewarmer]

Can someone select me an event i cant find one

Here are a couple of links for you to a SCCA PDX and Time Trial FAQs that I wrote:

SCCA PDX FAQ: http://www.scsportscar.com/modules/n...=2142&forum=13
SCCA Time Trial FAQ: http://www.scsportscar.com/modules/n...=2150&forum=13

Just to clear up a few things that I saw written in this thread:

The recent event that run on July 11th by the Buccaneer SCCA was a SOLO/Autocross event. This wasn't a PDX. A PDX was run by the SCR-SCCA at Roebling Road on June 27th and 28th that I was the event Chair at.

There is a considerable difference in cost to enter an autocross versus a PDX. The Roebling autox for example was $35/$45 for members/non members for one day, while my PDX event at Roebling was $320 for two days with in car instruction included.

But, there is a huge difference in seat time between an autocross/SOLO event and a PDX. At the Roebling autocross, you received six ~70 second runs on the course. A total of ~7 minutes of seat time. At the SCR Roebling PDX, you had ten 20 minutes sessions, a total of 200 minutes of seat time.

So at best, the autocross was ~$5 per minute of seat time.
The PDX was $1.60 per minute.

SCCA PDX does not neccesarily have a "90 mph" speed limit as was mentioned earlier in the thread. At our SCR Roebling PDX I was one of the instructors, and none of us gave our students any sort of speed limit, we simply worked with them to get them comfortable at speed. By then end of day one, my student could go as fast as he could with the corner exit speed that he was able to get onto the front straight. Day two, he went even faster down the straight, since his exit speed was faster.

I run SCCA Autocross and Track events, and I also run track events with NASA. You can't go wrong with any of these events. Autocross teaches you great car control that translates well to driving on the track. Former autocrossers usually pick up track driving very quickly, but that isn't to say that you need to autocross first. Some people have no interest in autocross.

Whatever your interest is, get out to an event. I have had most of my students look at me and say that they wish they had found these type of events sooner.

[Tirewarmer]

he was telling us about that at Barber. cant wait to see it

Chris, do you know if Bart is planning to run TT or go wheel to wheel with the new car?

[©hris]

i dunno... i know he was doing very well with TT. A lot of the NASA-se guys that run TT will be switching to w2w next season from what im hearing.

He has not mentioned anything or posted on the forums about switching