How did NASCAR ("stock car") get to how it is now?
The current perversion of NASCAR/"stock car racing" (if you even want to call it that, it hasn't been that in decades) is the reason the rest of the world laughs at us. I'm not sure if anyone else has any thoughts but personally I find it to be both a travesty of racing and an embarrassment to our country.
In no other form of racing do you see a single person (or family) being able to make up rules on a whim. How it got twisted into what it is today is beyond me. Where did it all go wrong?
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You must have never been to a drifting competition.
I've seen it at Gateway International Raceway at a midnight madness drag race event. They had a seperate area set up for a professional drifting demonstration. Someone put their 240 into a concrete barrier wall which was extremely amusing, but honestly I've never been a fan of figure skating so it's not something I really seek out.Originally Posted by Tracy
>> 94 Dodge Stealth - Slow
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Well they change the rules on a whim every chance they get.
Currently, NASCAR is all about money and that means it is now about politics and bragging rights for the team owners. That's how it has gotten to where it is now.
Who was the "professional"?
nascar early 90's is > now
Not sure - it wasn't something any Joe Blow who was there could bring their car into. I do, however, want to retract the professional comment since professional and drifting shouldn't really be used together. Enough about JDM figure skating weaksauce. I have no clue what this has to do with NASCAR:
What happened to real stock car racing and what really contributed to the deterioration of NASCAR that has brought it to the state it's in now? Am I the only person left who would like to see real stock car racing instead of this rubbish?
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x2,nascar was at its best when dale was racing,when he died i quit watching it
Agreed. I yearn for a modern day version of the original NASCAR when manufacturers were compelled to better their cars with a street legal competition version was available to the public. Cars like the Super Bird were available to the public and its advancements were driven by NASCAR. The Z06 was basically a streetcar spinoff of the LeMans C5R. "Stock Car" racing is so far from a stock car today that they might as well call it "Mars Rover" racing since Mars Rovers have about as much in common with NASCAR cars as actual stock cars do.
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Let me explain what it has to do with drifting, sweetheart. I was making a correlation between NASCAR and drifting in that ALSO in drifting do people feel that they can change the rules on a whim.Not sure - it wasn't something any Joe Blow who was there could bring their car into. I do, however, want to retract the professional comment since professional and drifting shouldn't really be used together. Enough about JDM figure skating weaksauce. I have no clue what this has to do with NASCAR:
What happened to real stock car racing and what really contributed to the deterioration of NASCAR that has brought it to the state it's in now? Am I the only person left who would like to see real stock car racing instead of this rubbish?
I'm not sure how many people on this forum care about stock car racing...period. I have never seen anyone else post about it.
restrictor plates are dumb as ****.. so are toyota's in nascar. WHAT THE ****
I don't like all the rules that are Nascar today, seeming how it came from Bootleggers runnin 'Shine, and running from the cops. Now it's all about the money. Just like the "COT" car of tomorrow, is a crock of s***
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nascar originated from moonshiners racing on sundays... if you look at the design of the cars now aka the car of tomorrow in nascar the idea for their design cam form imports
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How did you come up with this?
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which part?
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The CoT coming from imports.
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just look at the freaking wings, and the front Carbon lip.
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All race cars use similar wings and lips, imports did not start that.
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lol this guy is right but hold up and i'll give you some more info on it
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Sounds good.
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I must say, I have taken a tour of Hendrick Motosports, all through the place, and it was pretty mind blowing with all the technology that goes into these cars today. I went into the engine shop, and they had like 24 engines lined up, just waiting to be used. Chassis shop, they had 4 cars, minus skin, sitting on racks almost finished from the day before....It was pretty wild.
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lol yea man that **** is a major business
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I was really blown away when I took a tour of that place.
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and it all started around moonshine
thats a pretty dumb comment to make, from a spectator standpoint restrictor plates making it a little more boring due to less accidents but they are enstated for safety purposes, to save lives. and toyota has as much business in nascar as any other manufacturer.
ya back in the ole days the drivers jumped in their toyota to transfer moonshine.. ****ing smart. and restrictor plates can make things MORE dangerous, think about it all 43 cars all "equal" traveling in a pack at 180 mph.. i can see how that is less dangerous.. more people around at high speeds
funny that nowhere in the nascar regulations does it state that manufacturers car's had to have been used in carrying moonshine to race. and yes its safer to have alot of drivers running 180mph than 210mph, and it also levels out the playing field so the bigger pockets dont have quite the advantage that they would with an unlimited engine race. your arguments arent very well thought out.
ya but there weren't toyota's from the beginning so they shouldn't be there now. notice i said they CAN make things more dangerous, both ways have less room for mistake, but one has the higher chance of having more people involved (restrictor plates). About making it fair? thats also stupid, who said it should be fair and why? let the strongest survive...
either way nascar only gets worse and worse, hopefully we can agree on that one
i have to agree with ls2 kid restricter plate races are bull**** it should be about how can build the best and faster motor to get them around the track first. hell i dont hear people complaining about f1 going over 200 mph
so you like to play the argument that nascar keeps getting worse and worse, yet you think that the biggest pockets with the baddest cars should continue to win. doesnt that seem like a never ending downward spiral?
and i still cant agree with you on your toyota standpoint. any manufacturer who is willing to invest in the sport and has something they can bring to the table should be more than welcome, and all things considered toyota has done fairly well in their entry to the truck series and now the cup/busch races. while their cup performances havent been spectacular this year they have shown nothing but improvement, and im confident with gibbs under their belt next year there are big things in store for them. the only people that continue to argue against toyota are the ones with the most to lose. roush being a good example, complaining about how they fear toyota is going to put so much money into their cars, yet thats been roush's technique for many years now against smaller teams.
nascar FTL.... turning left FTL....american cars...ftl....
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I have seen a Nascar drift before. It was badass. Guess what he was turning right too.
LMAO @ your "Nascar"
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there are a lot other things i disagree with that deals with nascar those are only a few. my other big one is that every car that is represented is FWD and/or sedan. yes even though its the big companies that are ruining nascar.. but it still should be survival. either way I look at it i don't like it.. just seems like the better days of nascar are gone. i'd much rather watch old nascar races than new ones.
Well I'll be damned. I thought it was because GWB charged into Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere and just started killing folks. Who would've thought it was just NASCAR that did it. Later, QD.
ya where have you been? NASCAR > Global issues
That's a little out of context. I assumed a normal reader could easily infer that I meant racing world. I guess we better start making sure we say "Honda car engines" on this forum instead of "Honda engines" because some people might think we were talking about "Honda 2-stroke gas generator engines." You know, as if it just wasn't obvious enough.
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QD made a funny. You didn't get it.That's a little out of context. I assumed a normal reader could easily infer that I meant racing world. I guess we better start making sure we say "Honda car engines" on this forum instead of "Honda engines" because some people might think we were talking about "Honda 2-stroke gas generator engines." You know, as if it just wasn't obvious enough.
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What do you refer to dirt track racing as? What do you think Stock car was back in the day on the beaches of Daytona? You think either was or is "grip" driving? Drifting is simply a differant form of the same thing.I do, however, want to retract the professional comment since professional and drifting shouldn't really be used together. Enough about JDM figure skating weaksauce. I have no clue what this has to do with NASCAR:
Dale commited suicide. He refused to use safety equipment any more advanced then said STOCK CAR from 40+ years ago. Since the invention of the Hans device in 1991 there has not been a single neck or head injury with a driver equipped with one...you were lucky to see him even using the harnessBy 1998 9/10 Nascar drivers still hadn't even heard of the Hans device, 7-8 years LATER! Then the Hutchens device or equivalent wasn't mandated until 2001. How many Nascar drivers died from 1991-2001 from neck and head injuries?
Much like their 1964-1972 General Motors suspension they don't adapt to change unless its a direct monetary benefit.
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