i love watching old REAL nascar races. Where the owners would go to the dealer ship and pick up a Mustang or Road Runner and mod the hell out of it and take it to the track. different body lines, different motors, everything was different. Now, all the cars are the same. Hardly any lap passes b/c they stay in one big ass group. i dont like Nascar, never have never will. drag racing is for 5 seconds and that is more entertaining to me than the 4 hours on an oval track in nascar.
The Carbon Fibered R6
i cant say i have ever seen a mustang in a nascar race....it was def more exciting in someways in the past...it also exciting with the new technology but you gotta take the good with the bad. i think perhaps the racing may have been more action packed back in the day but with the technology of today the racing is actually better.
i only like it when they wreck but i dont like how they have high wings on the cars now it just looks stupid imo.
Originally Posted by 2Fast4Radar
Sorry I quit checking on the thread and didn't see you had replied DrivenMinds...
That was a more than respectable response, which as you've seen in this thread, many people are unable to voice those things clearly.
I agree with more than a few things you said, but I for one think there is still areas for change and I think the sport will have to make changes for the positive, or eventually hurl itself into a downward spiral that might not have an eject button.
2fast... You make some great points that aren't totally about this sport, but in my opinion more acurately reflect why the American Auto Manufacturers have had such troubles in the past years....we largely produce crappy cars.
Take a 5 year old Honda Accord and a 5 year old Chevy Malibu, or a Taurus even. Look at their maint. records, the interior wear, the exterior wear, and it's no comparison. We've made poor choices in catering to a market that had too many good choices to continue to make poor ones year after year.
I don't think your NASCAR car model reference is all that major since when you watch F1, there's zero crossover to a real car. And speaking with The King, Richard Petty, I have learned tons about how some of their cars came to be. The cars were much more stock oriented, but mst of the good teams, such as Petty Racing, would basically get a car from the assmebly line well before it was competed and customize the car at that point. I am sure there were many smaller teams that tore apart dealership sold cars, but to my knowledge there weren't many bigger teams that did that. But still, they at least looked like them....
I for one wish they did since I don't want to it end up like the IROC series where all the cars are built the same, look the same, and everything else.
The one thing I think we should address here is that a lot of people have said SPEED Channel, originally Speedvision, has sold out in many ways and doesn't stand what it originally stood for.
SPEED is a great example of change and evolution in todays economy. As a business, you have to make money. When they had rally races or shows about smaller racing series and they couldn't find any sponsorships for commercials or the shows, were they just supposed to pay themselves to keep everything on just to be true to the real racer ? Some would argue yes, others realize if they did that for long, they would have gone under....
What they did was create more programs with more "mainstream" content that had more sponsor options and would get higher ratings. Through this came the waterfall of NASCAR programming to the network. And you know what ? In my opinion, SPEED is much larger than it's ever been before due to the extensive NASCAR coverage and the great people that watch it.
Without it, how could a show like Pinks accomplish all that it has done ? Shows like NOPI Tunervision and Unique Whips have promos during NASCAR programming for a reason... it's because those viewers will come back and watch the other stuff...NASCAR programming makes other programs possible. Wether it's Unique whips, Pinks All out, or anything else.
That's why I am so adament about people being "Pro-Motorsports." It helps us all out in the end. Wether anyone likes NASCAR or not, when they get involved with stuff, people listen. People respond. Companies listen. Companies spend marketing dollars.
That's why it's important to understand the sport and how it works, which obviously some of you guys do.
And just for the doubters...last year, Kasey Kahne, who is a younger NASCAR driver for Dodge at Evernham Motorsports, helped throw a drifting event at Irwindale that matches up Drift pro's with NASCAR driver's all for Charity and the Kasey Kahne foundation. Not only was the place a sell out, 2 groups of people who didn't have much in common found themselves there together and cheering for driver's of different sports on the same track.
That's the definition of being pro-motorsports. Learn it, support it, and figure out how to benefit from it.
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HOST, Top Gear USA on History Channel starting late this Nov./Dec.
^^^ Says the guy who makes his living from Nascar... But he's right.
I personally will not watch Nascar on TV, but I am there everytime it comes to Atlanta. Because nobody knows how to promote and treat fans as Nascar.
i have been telling ppl at work about this..its coming..sooner or later its gonna happen. i enjoy the iroc races but one every weekend with 43 cars in it....thats no good if you ask me
Money. That's how it got that way.
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If you're gonna do it, overdo it.
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All the debate aside...
If you've never been to a NASCAR race in person, it really is fun. I always tell people it's like taking a really fun college tailgating experience and stretching it over 3 days.
It's the sort of place where you can make friends anywhere, people are always willing to help, and you can always find youself a cold beer.
BooB CreW What ?
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NASCAR on SPEED's Fun Guy
HOST, Top Gear USA on History Channel starting late this Nov./Dec.
Speed up, slow down, turn left...... repeat... all that needs to be said of nascar
99 LS teg/
thats it!....rick hendrick should be calling you any day now to get on the team...with you they will surely win another championship..after all...you've got it figured out!
Last edited by japan4racing; 12-11-2007 at 11:58 AM.
everyone knows NASCAR is how it is now because of Ricky Bobby...Go watch his movie..it'll explain everything for you
HA ha... true that.
Shake and Bake.
BooB CreW What ?
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left hand turns only FTL
Val for President
couldn't have said it better myself...
Val RIP
Sorry if I offended you Rut, I don't even really remember posting that..hmm..oh well. About Nascar, I don't have a problem at all with it (I've been to a couple of races at AMS myself) but agree with Anthony in that it's just boring (for me) to watch cars that all look the same and have no resemblance to what they're supposed to be drive around in a circle for 4 hours. Don't get me wrong, I know that there's a lot more to Nascar than I know and I respect all of the teams/drivers hard work but it's not my cup of tea. To each his own!!
All I know is me and a group of friends made it to Talladega this year, and we had an amazing time. Now it was definitely due to the attempt to blend in with the masses (choice of language, actions, and attire) and lots of beer, but it was a great time none the less.
Note: I would not at all consider myself a fan of Nascar. And my friends and I are normally nothing like you see in the following picture (well except for the shotgunning beer portion).
The pic that sums it all up:
And I wouldn't say this necessarily sums up anything, just had to share it:
Absolutely
Last edited by DeweyWRX; 12-12-2007 at 02:13 AM.
Hey man... you didn't offend me... I just thought if that was seriously all you had to say it was a total waste of time. Please excuse the "You're a genius" feedback I left you.
As you notice, every dip**** on here jumped in long enough to say "NASCAR sucks" and leave without any thought process, so pardon my smart assedness
BooB CreW What ?
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NASCAR on SPEED's Fun Guy
HOST, Top Gear USA on History Channel starting late this Nov./Dec.
As a spectator I'll admit it's pretty boring, I normally always sit back and take a nap until the gasp's of the suddenly quiet crowd alert me there's an accident...then go back to sleep until the last 5 laps or so when the good racing begins
BUT really only 4 ways I'd fully enjoy the experience of Nascar:
1) In a drivers seat.
2) On a crew.
3) Photographing from track level.
4) In a suite with a beer girl riding me like it's her last time.
..and I'm gonna have to say those aren't in any specific order
Last edited by speedminded; 12-14-2007 at 08:51 AM.
Yeah man my bad and I did notice the people that didn't have anything intelligent to say and just leave. I honestly don't remember posting that..probably drunk
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