yea i have yet to see an impressive h22....ever....Originally Posted by importracer
The na cars came with the 5sfe which I believe is a single cam motor. I dont know if the computers are compatible. I would guess not without some serious tuning. The good off the 94s: brakes, wheels, radio, other suspension etc. There is a thread on mr2.com about the differences. I need a ac/heat control box if he is parting it out.... you have a pm on the turbo stuff.
my d series can burn outlol on a side joke my buddie said his h22 hatch was going to out run the mr2 stock h22a his car will not even burn out
ill talk to him see what all he has
i want the kit i have 3 extra turbos so let me see what the wife says
Yeah, mr2.com doesn't really hold a candle to mr2oc in terms of maturity, knowledge base, etc. They are still debating stuff that has been settled on mr2oc years ago lol.
If your coilovers are JIC FLTA2's, then they're some of the best, but those are rare and expensive. So my guess is you have regular JICs, which are still good, but not on the same level.
Oh and about the 5S-FE, I'm 90% sure that is a DOHC engine. And it's basically a Camry engine, so I wouldn't waste your time on performance there (whoever was wondering about that). It has the FE head, which is the economy head. The GE is the sport head (as in 3S-GE, 3S-GTE, or 2JZ-GTE, with the T standing for turbo). So anyway, most everyone who wants any kind of power in an SW20 opts for a turbo swap. They just drop in a 3S-GTE. It's just too complicated to turbocharge a 5S-FE to be worth it, in my (and the majority's) opinion. However, some high horsepower builds use the 5S crank and block to make a stroker out of their 3S-GTE, in a sense making a "5S-GTE". Makes for some great low-end torque.
that was me i was just wondering cause of the ecu only over mine. what would you say is a good tuning choice for my 3s-gte
my buddy had one and that thing was a bitch to work on lol its like there is no space in the bay !.but looks good man.love the color.
got vtec?
You mean what engine management system or how to tune? Read these primers like 5 times lol, specifically the Power Primer and the 3S-GTE Engine Management article:
http://mrcontrols.com/primers/primers.htm
After all these years, the MRControls/Ricky B 3S-GTE Power Primer is still considered the authority on modifying an MR2 Turbo. The author, Ricky B, has tuned more MR2s than anyone else I think. VERY experienced in the tuning world and with MR2s specifically.
I agree, and I'm a prelude guy. H22's dont do it for me.
Thats why I stay with the F series!
i will agree i had a f22 vtec in a hatch and it was alot faster than h22 cars
reps for you
alot of info
Speaking of the mr2controls, I just purchased a Hydra Nemesis to use on my car. Also purchased a PT 60/65 Dual ball bearing and a turbosmart 38mm wastegate.
I made good progress this weekend on the car. Had a 2 bolt WG flange welded to the SFP, purchased a Hyrda Nemesis setup, and a PT60/65 DBB turbo. Also made my own vac pump to bleed the clutch and brakes. Had all the fuel lines made with -an fittings and stainless braided lines. Took the intake manifold off only to find a nest of stock wiring. I need to identify the IAT sensor wiring and the factory MAP sensor wiring in order for the Nemesis to work. I will end up polishing the intake manifold also. I think it will look pretty sweet. Here are some pics of the progress.
Polished half of it
Homemade vac pump :thumbup
Is this the factory valve cover?
I am currently trying to find a factory wiring diagram for the engine harness. If anyone can identify these plugs, it would sure speed things up. All these are found on the intake side of the engine, under the intake manifold. Thanks!
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I realize that some of them are for factory egr stuff and will not be used.
Got a few things on order also. Should have it going by next week or so.
Ok sounds good. Let me know and ill get it shipped out to u.
Yeah, it's just been polished and the "TOYOTA" letters have been dremeled off or something.
Yeah, probably EGR, T-VSV, T-VIS, IAC, etc. I can't tell without seeing where they came from because I haven't really looked at any of them recently. Did you get them from underneath the manifold, like near the block, or under the throttle body near the fuel rail?
In any case, here are the Factory Service Manuals AKA BGB (Big Green Book) for the MR2. You can download them (PDF) or just view them online. These are even better than the real books because you can use CTRL - F and find any word throughout the volume. Very useful.
http://mr2oc.com/showpost.php?p=2600774&postcount=1
Volume 1 is engine stuff, Vol. 2 is chassis, and Vol. 3 is wiring diagrams. Have fun lol
P.S. Just noticed you're in AL. Check out Hux Racing. The owner, Eric Hux, knows his stuff and has had a bunch of MR2s. He's been with the scene as long as any of the vendors, and he was the first to do a lot of stuff. I think his shop's in Clearwater, AL. www.huxracingusa.com
You are the man! Thats what I was looking for. I need to figure out what I can delete and what I need to keep fort he standalone to function properly. I have hux racings phone number. I havnt called them yet.
i have 50 pics of mr2 but its extremely dirty so it would not do any good. after i pull it and have it degreased ill post some pics
dang Bowen..not giving me a chance to answer any questions lol..
definately check out mr2oc.com over mr2.com...mr2.com i usually where all the imature idiots go that got kicked off of mr2oc for saying something stupid.
and the 5sfe was a dohc that doesnt hold a candle to the 3sgte..i
If i was gonna track the two i would go with a v6camry engine and supercharge it...if i was just goin for reliable comfortable fun on the weekends i would get a gen 3 and if i was gonna go for wild, raw dangerous power i would probably just build the crap out of a gen2 and upgrade to a bigger turbo.
Ime jeaous of you..you have such a nice base to start with.. i would sell my lil bro into slavery for that IM
as far as the valve cover it looks like the holes for the throttle body stay have been welded shut. I like that..makes it look clean imo
on the 1st pic of the plugs the square black one goes to the afm and it seems like its missing the wire clamp that comes on it..the grey one looks like it goes to one of the fuel injectors...
The pic below that : the blue one looks like it goes to the boost pressure sensor.. the brown one to the egr and the black one to the tps located on the throttle body. and the small grey one looks like it connects to a ground wire.
ille look at my car tommorow just to make sure.
Juice? What's that? I want some of that purple stuff
Thanks for the info guys. Very helpful.
Haha nice to hear from you Roderick. More info. on 1MZ-FE swap here:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~bedellracing/V6FAQ.html
Awesome but expensive. Brad Bedell won the Sport Compact Car USCC in '04 with this setup.
No they haven't. They're right there between the #2 and #3 spark plug holes.
The first one looks too small to be the AFM connector. Look at his hand compared to it. And I think the blue one is the T-VSV or T-VIS or something else mounted to that plate under the IM. The boost pressure sensor (and corresponding connector) is black and mounted to the bulkhead next to the daignostic ports. I think you're right about the rest though.
So the big question is: What kind of map sensor did the cars use? I know the 91 92 cars were draw through maf correct? Then in 93 they went to a SD (speed density) type setup with some type of manifold pressure sensor? Fill me in lol.
All USDM MR2s have an AFM. No MAF or MAP or speed density or anything else. They all use the same AFM. Pretty sure the manifold pressure sensor on the USDM cars is just for fuel cut. It has nothing to do with AFRs or fuel maps or anything having to do with air metering. It's all done by the (restrictive) AFM. Looks like this:
The Gen 3 3S-GTE that came in the 94-99 JDM (and I think European) MR2s used MAP sensors (Gen 3 refers to the engine's generation, not the chassis. The USDM cars all have Gen 2s stock). That's one of the advantages of the Gen 3. Also an advantage of using a standalone computer.
Edit: Here are some websites I had in my favorites talking about the 3S-GTE. I think they have some good info:
http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20...tech_notes.htm
http://gt4dreams.free.fr/rip/3sgteinfo.htm
Last edited by Bowenaero; 01-30-2011 at 09:31 PM.
Ok great info. I dont have the AFM (air flow meter???) for my car. However, I do have a hydra nemesis on the way. I need to figure out what kind of sensor it will use. The car it came off of did not use the AFM.
hey whats up bowen..yeah i think your right about the blue one bein for the tvis..the black one is bothering me. i know i have unplugged it several times..man looking at those wires bring back bad memories right?
also its actually cheaper to go v6 than turbo minus the supercharger..the 1mzfe is alot cheaper than the 3sgte. and all of the 1mzfe parts you need for the swap are alot cheaper than their 3sgte counterparts...just thougth i would correct the correctotron
i think one of the greatest things about the standalone is getting rid of that afm. The afm seems to be extremely tempramental.i know some people are running gm map sensors with fcons..
Last edited by ghostrida3; 01-30-2011 at 10:03 PM.
Juice? What's that? I want some of that purple stuff
Yeah, AFM stands for Air Flow Meter. You will not want or need to use the AFM with the Hydra. MAP is the way to go.
I want that FC.
kthnx
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
Ha! I never got the pleasure of wondering about the wiring in your car so much, but I do remember sifting through all the bolts on the garage floor looking for the right ones to re-mate your transmission... And that was the night I got those two tickets :[ Good times, good times...
Ok thats what I was thinking. Do most guys use a GM MAP sensory or a toyota one?
Probably GM, but I don't know really. Sorry. Just search "MAP sensor" in the 3S-GTE forum on MR2OC and you're sure to come up with plenty of good stuff.
dammnn inspires me to get another mr2 i had a 5sfe and it was total crap i love the feel
of the damn thing but power wise i couldnt even beat a bee if it wanted to run me
i want a 3sgte so bad i would do things that would haunt my life to have your mr2 lol
might as well save up
here is a few i got a new job so ive been late on showing my slow 2.
Precision 6065 DBB.
Made good progress today. Did some wiring and made my way through the factory engine harness guide. Also polished the manifold.
SFP manifold, Precision 60/65 DBB, turbosmart ultra gate.
hey...that MR2 looks like it'll be a monster!!!! Lets be sure to meet up when you're done. Here's a few shots of mine.
btw, your intake is an RMR intake manifold without the markings like mine.
Call Eric Hux if you run into trouble. He moved to Alabama so he's not too far. He installed the standalone on my car a few months ago.
hey...that MR2 looks like it'll be a monster!!!! Lets be sure to meet up when you're done. Here's a few shots of mine.
btw, your intake is an RMR intake manifold without the markings like mine.
Call Eric Hux if you run into trouble. He moved to Alabama so he's not too far. He installed the standalone on my car a few months ago.
Wow I hope my car turns out like yours! That thing looks awesome! Love the widebody. Im going to try and install the standalone this weekend. My car isnt running yet but I cant wait to drive it. What turbo are you running? Have any dyno numbers?
OMGGGGGG I WANT ITTTT
I wish it would warm up so I could drive it more!OMGGGGGG I WANT ITTTT
Its a t3/t4 turbo...will be good to meet other MR2 owners.
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