Lamborghini Toro LA690-4 design concept

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 09:47 AM

The Lamborghini Toro LA690-4 is a conceptual study penned by independent designer Amadou Ndiaye. Envisioned as a modern interpretation of the 1960's Lamborghini Espada, the Toro LA690-4 is a front-engined Raging Bull supercar created to compete against other exotics of the same sort like the Aston Martin One 77 and the Lexus LFA.

The designer states that the car's LA 690-4 designation stands for "Longitudinale anteriore" which translates to "Front Longitudinal" in English, while "690" refers to the V12 engine's fictional output and '4' to the car's all-wheel drive system.

Aside from the front-mid mounted V12 engine coupled to a 7 speed double clutch transmission, Ndiaye says that the chassis, body panels and other parts of the car should be made from carbon fiber and magnesium to save weight.

To our eye, while the execution looks professional, the design itself is less aspiring and unique as the first thought that came to mind is a Lamborghini-ized LFA speckled with repackaged styling cues from the Italian firm's current production and concept models.

There are more pics in the link. I'm not too sure I like the front engine V12 concept. Seems like the wrong place to put a motor that large...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/12...n-concept.html

**bdydrpdmazda** · 12-11-2009, 09:51 AM

Its a lambo so its bad ass

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

I'm not too sure I like the front engine V12 concept. Seems like the wrong place to put a motor that large

explain...

Brian* · 12-11-2009, 10:40 AM

Damn, that thing is insane.

**ffxf50** · 12-11-2009, 10:43 AM

Sexyy.

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 11:01 AM

I'm gonna assume you all realize that first pic is photo shopped as the car doesn't exist.

**Nerdsrock22** · 12-11-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

I'm gonna assume you all realize that first pic is photo shopped as the car doesn't exist.

But those suits look so interested!!!

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Nerdsrock22

But those suits look so interested!!!

I think he used an LP640 to chop over.

**Nerdsrock22** · 12-11-2009, 11:04 AM

On a hunt for original pic.

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

explain...

With having a V12(assuming it weighs quite a bit), the weight distribution will not be at it's advantage.

Oh, and link fixed.

**Nerdsrock22** · 12-11-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

With having a V12(assuming it weighs quite a bit), the weight distribution will not be at it's advantage.

They have a problem with that.

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

With having a V12(assuming it weighs quite a bit), the weight distribution will not be at it's advantage.

Oh, and link fixed.

Most modern front engined super cars are still mid mounted and use aluminum blocks.

I'll add the twin Cerbera I6s to Nerds' list.

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Nerdsrock22

They have a problem with that.

Out of the three, from what I hear, the 599 is the only one that doesn't feel nose heavy. I think LP690-4 would be faster around the track if the engine sat further back and the weight was evenly distributed.

**VIP Style** · 12-11-2009, 11:39 AM

lol

Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

explain...

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

I think LP690-4 would be faster around the track if the engine sat further back and the weight was evenly distributed.

You keep talking about it like it is real. It isn't.

And no. The DBR9 is not nose heavy. The V12 Vantage has a slight problem with that because the car is soo small but they fixed it through two years of chassis work.

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

You keep talking about it like it is real. It isn't.

And no. The DBR9 is not nose heavy. The V12 Vantage has a slight problem with that because the car is soo small but they fixed it through two years of chassis work.

No, I don't. If they do in fact build a car similar to this, and the weight is evenly distributed, It will be quick around the track. I would assume Lamborghini would be smart enough to sit the engine further back and as low as possible, at least.

**AnthonyF** · 12-11-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

There are more pics in the link. I'm not too sure I like the front engine V12 concept. Seems like the wrong place to put a motor that large...

You do know this isn't the first car with a V12 in the front, right?

As a matter of fact, I have a 1947 Lincoln in my shop 10 ft from me with a V12 in it.

-Ant.

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by AnthonyF

You do know this isn't the first car with a V12 in the front, right?

As a matter of fact, I have a 1947 Lincoln in my shop 10 ft from me with a V12 in it.

-Ant.

Oh, I know this. Take the 1947 Loncoln with the V12 to a road course. You will feel the heaviness of the motor.

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 11:52 AM

My point is:

Mid-engine is better for a race application. It's easier to distribute the weight evenly.

**ironchef** · 12-11-2009, 11:55 AM

The back looks like the new Honda CRZ/Insight.

**Nerdsrock22** · 12-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

My point is:

Mid-engine is better for a race application. It's easier to distribute the weight evenly.

But the engine can be in the front, and still technically be mid-engine right? As long as its behind the axles?

**AnthonyF** · 12-11-2009, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

Oh, I know this. Take the 1947 Loncoln with the V12 to a road course. You will feel the heaviness of the motor.

No I won't. I will feel the heavyness of the entire car. There's more metal in this car's dash than your whole Benz. lulz.

Airbag? Fuck that, steel dash mother fucker!

-Ant.

**AnthonyF** · 12-11-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Nerdsrock22

But the engine can be in the front, and still technically be mid-engine right? As long as its behind the axles?

Correct. Like the s2k.

-Ant.

**jdm eg99** · 12-11-2009, 11:59 AM

pure sex !

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Reading owns me. I apologize. I just now saw that it said "front-mid engine". It's been a long week, that's my excuse.

**FoolsDrifFWD** · 12-11-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

There are more pics in the link. I'm not too sure I like the front engine V12 concept. Seems like the wrong place to put a motor that large...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/12...n-concept.html

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Mantooth** · 12-11-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by FoolsDrifFWD

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A V12 in the front, not front-mid position of a car will be nose heavy. My statement was true, even though the car in question is supposed to be a front-mid engine set up, and my reeding skrillz suk.

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

Oh, I know this. Take the 1947 Loncoln with the V12 to a road course. You will feel the heaviness of the motor.

Will he feel it before or after he feels the flex in the frame rails?

**EJ25RUN** · 12-11-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mantooth

A V12 in the front, not front-mid position of a car will be nose heavy. My statement was true, even though the car in question is supposed to be a front-mid engine set up, and my reeding skrillz suk.

There are plenty of mid engined cars that still had a problem with heavy engines even though it was behind the driver. Tony Southgates' XJR9-LM for example.

The biggest factor is how the chassis is built around the engine.

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