How it's done (pictures from a GOOD photographer)(no 56K)
Found these on another forum and HAD to share. I am NOT taking credit for these and I could not pass them off as my own to save my life. Only a few IA photogs are on this level, so I figured you guys would want to see some GREAT shots.
(this is all from the same guy, he says he uses a mixture of HDR, photoshop filters, TONS of layering with his simplest photos having around 11 layers, and and other techniques he was not willing to share)
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
Beautiful pictures!
What IA photogs are on THAT level. I know we got some good ones but damn.
IA Rules doesn't allow these images in sigs
- IA Mgmt
That porsche looks like its getting ready to jump into the water
Originally Posted by blackboi50
white power!!!!!!.....1
Where the hail is Nem and Chang at....
Shits real out here. You betta keep a strap and learn somethin'.
Damn those are some SICK ass pics...
Desktop worthy!
Damn
they are great pics but there is more photoshop then anything
I'll agree he has good PS skills.
The first M3 picture is gore-G-SUS!
Yeah, good post-processing is also part of being a good photographer guys haha.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
Not hardly.
amazing
Slidin Sidewayz...
a good bit of the images in the OP are nice but a decent amount of them are overdone to me..
-every image in that post could have been produced by a Point and Shoot camera and good Post Processing.. There is no depth of field in the majority of them, some seem quite flat actually..
I dont agree with the statement at all.. Before photoshop there were excellent photographers and produced amazing images..
agreed with both ya, he has a good knowledge of PS. reminds me of one of the guy who shot the pics that made up my gif. Mirko layered 40 shots to make up just one pics in the last series he did of my car. i like this style, even though its more processed than most.
I didn't say photoshop, I said post processing, which has existed as long as photography itself. Go ask any of the National Geographic photographers, or Ansel Adams how he went about taking pictures. Hell, ask Nemesis, Changaroo or even Chad and Puregroove.
Everyone denying the use of post processing in thsi thread has a lot to learn about photography, the one argument about being overdone is an exception, as it is intelligently written from the viewpoint of someone who seems to know a bit about photography. Some of them do look a bit harsh and flat to me too, but there is no denying as a whole, the guy is very good.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
i agree with you all the way!!!
DRIVE IT TILL YOU BREAK IT!!!
-Ohh trust i know post processing has been around for decades homie, i dont need to ask anyone..
-I never denied the mans ability but for you to use this as and example as stated in your title "How it's done (pictures from a GOODphotographer)" gives me the impression that you think his images had alot to do with the skill of photography.. He is a GOOD POST PROCESSOR, and not much more than that IMO.. then again what do I know, im not a photographer..
lol.
Exactly, I know guys that were cutting negatives and putting cars in scenes or girls on cars 25 years ago...or placing correctly exposed skies on correctly exposed foregrounds. Many shots simply can not be taken with one photo. When you have areas in one shot that are several stops apart it's simply not possible so you have to take multiple shots then combine/merge the two.
Some of it is a little over done but marius is very much a photographer because he knows composition (some shots are center weighted though), otherwise he'd just be a graphic artist. When I get a faster computer and tablet I'll begin post processing even more than I do now.
There is no such thing as an only photographer, and only post processor team. The man who takes the photo and processes it is called a photographer. The result is the image in the end(and that's all you should judge a photographer on, you wouldn't say a baker is a bad baker because he makes lumpy dough, but bakes it so perfectly, and it becomes the best bread you've ever tasted. You taste the bread, and judge weather he is a good baker or not). If you JUST take good out of camera photos, they will still need some processing. The most basic processing (what some would call "out-of-camera" will leave a photo looking like its missing something. The intermediate level of processing (curves, levels, sharpening, dodging, burning, etc. will make a photo look better without looking edited, and then there is full out hours upon hours of post processing, which, true, look obvious, but also look great. This finished product, if good looking enough, would still have had to start as a GOOD photograph,or set of photographs. So there is no such thing as someone being a GREAT photographer that sucks at PP, because post processing is part of their job, just like there is no such thing as someone who is a bad photographer, that JUST does post processing for a living and can't take their own good photos, unlike video where there are people that do strictly video editing. Also, the guy in this thread takes up to eight exposures for each of these shots, each with a finite level of depth of field, focus, and exposure, all controlled really well, with good composition. He then utilizes the best of each exposure to create all the elements he needs for his final shot in his post processing techniques, then adds his own flair, and ends up with amazing images. You can't tell me a man who is in complete control of all of his parameters across EIGHT shots is a bad photographer, especially when he knows how to use the shots to compose art like this.-Ohh trust i know post processing has been around for decades homie, i dont need to ask anyone..
-I never denied the mans ability but for you to use this as and example as stated in your title "How it's done (pictures from a GOODphotographer)" gives me the impression that you think his images had alot to do with the skill of photography.. He is a GOOD POST PROCESSOR, and not much more than that IMO.. then again what do I know, im not a photographer
I am not a photographer at all, but I have done TONS of reading no the subject, and understand the art very well, I am just not good at it lol.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
cool stuff
very "photoshop" heavy, though i did enjoy looking at these. the guy definitely knows what he is doing, and is good with his tools. Everyone has their own tastes its all a matter of opinion.
why so serious? LOL
^^^Good stuff man.. you got it..
Thats my question.. all i did was state my opinion..
Everyone, it's not just about photoshop!!! ugh. Ok, I'm gonig to start calling the people who just blame all the goodness on the post processing, jealous.
Look,even if you take better RAW file photos than the photographer in the first post, you still can't get shots like him, admit it, so thus, you're jealous. The final product is all that matters. A quote from Ansel Adams, one of the best photographers to ever live "There are no rules, just good and bad photographs". He also spent DAYS in the darkroom developing and tweaking single photos I might add. He was often criticized for his usage of darkroom time to make his images, but people viewing them in museums just appreciated what they saw.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
yeah i mean, i'm not going to knock the guy because he's obviously pulling off the look he wants, and its not sloppy. Photoshop is a great tool if you know how to use it. Some just prefer to use it more than others...^^^Good stuff man.. you got it..
Because IA has millions of people running around pretending to be photographers that they're not with their first SLR they've ever owned claiming to be WONDERFUL, when they are indeed, very good but not on top-level. So I try and enlighten the forum with basically photo GOLD and just get a ton of denial from people who were conditioned from car forum viewpoints and not photographic art viewpoints. Hopefully, this will inspire the "photogs" on here to keep going and develop a personal style to their photographs and get better to make shots moreon this level (doesn't have to look like these, that's just copying work, but to be on a similar level of magnitude).^^^Good stuff man.. you got it..
Thats my question.. all i did was state my opinion..
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
the pics are really cool....i give him props on the time and effort spent to create them. Knowledge is key and as you can see he has quite a bit. Regardless of the photoshop in the pictures, the majority of the angles and backgrounds were still a good choice IMHO.
The guy is awesome and all, great composition/color/contrast, everything. definitely knows his way around a camera. seems like a photoshop master too. which isnt a bad thing. well in some cases photoshop could be bad, but when you know how to use it correctly, you can creat some wonderful images, like some of the ones in your post.
but as far as photo gold?
here's some photo gold - http://www.durhamtownship.com/portfolio/index.php
Ok Uproot, I agree with you last post.
And in that link there are some great things, and a few not so great, but that is on the same level with more conservative processing. I'll agree that is is top-level as well though.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
this guys stuff is pretty good, some of it is too over done for me but then again i really do not like HDR. its stupid to compare him to IA's photographers cause well to be honest we as a group suck INCLUDING ME. if you go look for GREAT automotive photographer then you will see how bad we truly are LOL sorry if im hurting anybodies feelings cause im right there with ya suckin' it up (no homo)
as far as the post process discussion, i think photography here in 2009 is about 50% PP. you can be a great photographer but if your PP blows then your not getting print in big magazines like import tuner and modified. then again no matter how good you can edit if your just a bad photographer your work isnt going to make it into print either.
the pictures that were posted were good but far from great. if you want to see some really good automotive photography this is your one stop place for it.....
http://www.flickr.com/groups/automotivephotographers/
They are good to look at for sure, having good subject matter definitely helps. Comparing them to IA photographers is unfair though. Many IA photographers practice photography in their spare time as a hobby, not a way of life. Many of them are also shooting with entry level DSLR cameras and a small selection of lenses and equipment. Also, many simply do not have the money to go full out in photography and still enjoy modifying their cars. I would say that Bimmerforums has much better photographers than IA, and that is only one other forum I frequent.
Thats hella nice!
most of the other forums i visit have better photographers than IA as well but thats because those forums are with people all around the US/world so them as a group SHOULD be better than IA ya know.
nice shots.
very well said
edit- HDR is becoming more of a genre of photography when it should be a tool. i usually do one HDR per "shoot" or "set" of pics. mainly because people ask me to. If the sky is really cool looking or the lighting is just right then ill do it by my own decision.
I just want to say this link is win:
This was my fav pic of the set from OP:
and I REALLY want to see this pic:
40 shots to get one? You sure you know what you're talking about?
Some of those are pretty awesome. This is only a matter of opinion but I dont like "automatic" type hdrs. The effect you get by layering correctly exposed areas just looks so much more real and clean. Here are some shots that were posted on a photography forum not long ago, these are probably my favorites that I have ever seen.
^Those are very nice.
orange lambo shots are fawking AMAZING.
and it isn't easy to get your work into that group. Mr Jeff Creech is very strict on the shots allowed in there.
Last edited by CHADbee; 09-25-2009 at 11:33 AM.
not bad.
you win.
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