The Ultimate Sleeper

[Sport1.3]

but if they were to race any race, im pretty sure the nova would win every category, therefor making his opinion wrong.

how fast does the nova run?



this is really a retarded argument anyway. that Nova has boat loads of money into it, and the Metro you refer to was done in someones home garage and is a STOCK k20, not a twin supercharged v8 swap. Of course the Nova would have an advantage. imho both cars are insane sleepers. Though pulling up to either at a stop light i would expect a Nova to blow my doors off before i would a metro. But to each their own, I'd drive the hell out of that nova

[DieselNuts]

best et to date at 9.680 @ 146.91 mph with plenty left in the car once some bugs are worked out

I take back what I said in my previous post. If he thinks one looks slower than the other, I cant prove that wrong. Yes, I was wrong. Yes, that was a stupid argument.

[Sport1.3]

best et to date at 9.680 @ 146.91 mph with plenty left in the car once some bugs are worked out

I take back what I said in my previous post. If he thinks one looks slower than the other, I cant prove that wrong. Yes, I was wrong. Yes, that was a stupid argument.

thats nuts. Definitely outta the Metro's realm lol. I'd like to see the total cost of something like that.....i'm sure he trashed those reciepts, i would never want to see how much i paid out

[DieselNuts]

thats nuts. Definitely outta the Metro's realm lol. I'd like to see the total cost of something like that.....i'm sure he trashed those reciepts, i would never want to see how much i paid out

for real. I cant even afford 1 supercharger, much less 2 lol

[EJ25RUN]

Why you gotta hate the man because of his opinion? If he thinks that GEO is better then that's his opinion.

Ok, ill admit that maybe that was harsh but, i feel that most Honda people on this site still haven't a clue about most cars.

[green91]

and most subaru guys think that awd makes up for everything

[blackshine007]

Man anything in Honda related is a waste you. HATE is in your blood homie. If the owner wanted to used a k20 that him, not like he's using your money.

Not exactly true. I believe in cost effectiveness. That Metro could've been built cheaper and turned out way quicker with the same amount of money by going with a B series if they had to use a Honda powerplant. They could've did a B16 head + B20 bottom end and finished it off with a whole line of toga and/skunk2 parts and would have done the same if not better than that K20, which parts are quite pricey for. That K20 swap is a waste because of the money that was invested to make that thing run. You can scavage through all of my posts and I garunteed that you won't find anything that says that I hate hondas. To each is own but damn, be smart about making power. If you can spend less to make more, then that was a good financial decision and overall you have enough money left over to get more. Not just for bragging rights, like the guy in the Metro. I mean unless you like spending almost $10k for 250whp, be my guest. If you find that smart, then shame on you.

[imbatman]

damnnn thats crazy

[EJ25RUN]

and most subaru guys think that awd makes up for everything

im not on that boat.

[WHT_EP3]

that nova with a twin supercharged V8 ran a 9.68. with all that money dumped into that car just in the fuel system alone you would expect at least 8.00 sec runs or low 9. but 9.6 c'mon now.
now that NOVA is a waste of money in my book, cause if it was fast car around a track, and a 1/4 mile track it would be alright, but its american and its not a corvette so you now its not going to do good on turns. so back to the point all that money for just straight aways complete waist of money and time now thats my OPINION.

[EJ25RUN]

that nova with a twin supercharged V8 ran a 9.68. with all that money dumped into that car just in the fuel system alone you would expect at least 8.00 sec runs or low 9. but 9.6 c'mon now.

And just how much do you think it costs to build an 8 sec car?

now that NOVA is a waste of money in my book, cause if it was fast car around a track, and a 1/4 mile track it would be alright, but its american and its not a corvette so you now its not going to do good on turns.

so back to the point all that money for just straight aways complete waist of money and time now thats my OPINION.

So your saying

American = not good around turns?
Corvette = Sophisticated suspension?

If you dont know what your talking about, your opinion aint worth nothing.

Now that's my opinion.

[DieselNuts]

that nova with a twin supercharged V8 ran a 9.68. with all that money dumped into that car just in the fuel system alone you would expect at least 8.00 sec runs or low 9. but 9.6 c'mon now.
now that NOVA is a waste of money in my book, cause if it was fast car around a track, and a 1/4 mile track it would be alright, but its american and its not a corvette so you now its not going to do good on turns. so back to the point all that money for just straight aways complete waist of money and time now thats my OPINION.

Even though your opinion can't be wrong, it can be FUKING RETARDED! thats got to be the dumbest thing I have read all day...and thats a FACT!

[nreggie454]

that nova with a twin supercharged V8 ran a 9.68. with all that money dumped into that car just in the fuel system alone you would expect at least 8.00 sec runs or low 9. but 9.6 c'mon now.
now that NOVA is a waste of money in my book, cause if it was fast car around a track, and a 1/4 mile track it would be alright, but its american and its not a corvette so you now its not going to do good on turns. so back to the point all that money for just straight aways complete waist of money and time now thats my OPINION.

Well, if I am not mistaken, the 9.6 was on street tires, and they even said there is a lot more that they can get out of the car, but they need to work out some bugs.

They didn't build the car to make turns, so that argument is utterly pointless.

[03RCode]

for real. I cant even afford 1 supercharger, much less 2 lol

3.4L Whipple calling your name yet?

[DieselNuts]

3.4L Whipple calling your name yet?

its been calling my name, sending me love letters and haunting me in my dreams.....since before I got the damn car....lol

[03RCode]

its been calling my name, sending me love letters and haunting me in my dreams.....since before I got the damn car....lol

Haha I hear that man. My buddy has had a couple of pretty sick termy's, a 2.6H KB car, and a HPP TT car. Always loved them, one day I'll own one.

[Just_CHill]

Wow, that's nice!!!!

[SouthSide Tay]

best sleeper to date

[EJ25RUN]

So your saying

American = not good around turns?
Corvette = Sophisticated suspension?

If you dont know what your talking about, your opinion aint worth nothing.

Now that's my opinion.

*waiting*

[One_Bad_SHO]

I love the Nova. Very unique. Buuuuut... I wouldn't classify that as a sleeper. I'm sure if you were standing next to that beast with the motor running you wouldn't be able to hear yourself think.... not to mention what others have already pointed out regarding its non-sleeper like appeal.


WIKIPEDIA SAYS:
A sleeper is a car that has high performance and an unassuming exterior. Sleeper cars are termed such because their exterior looks little or no different from a standard or economy-class car (or in some cases worse due to seeming neglect on the owners part), but internally they are modified (or are built) to perform at higher levels. Some cars are equipped this way at the factory to suit the tastes of those who want performance without drama, whether understatedness suits their chosen image or lifestyle, or because they do not wish to attract undue attention of the police or car thieves. For instance, many high-performance sedans look hardly any different from the lower-powered models in the range; for example: the Acura TL Type-S, Audi RS4, BMW M3 and M5, Buick Regal GNX, Cadillac CTS-V, 1994-1996 Chevrolet Impala SS, Chrysler 300C SRT8, Dodge Charger SRT8, FORD TAURUS SHO, 2003-2004 Mercury Marauder,Volkswagen Passat W8, and Volvo S60R, among others. Cars with obvious external badging, or overt visual elements that give the impression of high performance, are not true sleeper cars.


.....just saying

[Sport1.3]

I love the Nova. Very unique. Buuuuut... I wouldn't classify that as a sleeper. I'm sure if you were standing next to that beast with the motor running you wouldn't be able to hear yourself think.... not to mention what others have already pointed out regarding its non-sleeper like appeal.


WIKIPEDIA SAYS:
A sleeper is a car that has high performance and an unassuming exterior. Sleeper cars are termed such because their exterior looks little or no different from a standard or economy-class car (or in some cases worse due to seeming neglect on the owners part), but internally they are modified (or are built) to perform at higher levels. Some cars are equipped this way at the factory to suit the tastes of those who want performance without drama, whether understatedness suits their chosen image or lifestyle, or because they do not wish to attract undue attention of the police or car thieves. For instance, many high-performance sedans look hardly any different from the lower-powered models in the range; for example: the Acura TL Type-S, Audi RS4, BMW M3 and M5, Buick Regal GNX, Cadillac CTS-V, 1994-1996 Chevrolet Impala SS, Chrysler 300C SRT8, Dodge Charger SRT8, FORD TAURUS SHO, 2003-2004 Mercury Marauder,Volkswagen Passat W8, and Volvo S60R, among others. Cars with obvious external badging, or overt visual elements that give the impression of high performance, are not true sleeper cars.


.....just saying

its a stock K20, if the exhaust was decently sized it would be so quiet at idle you wouldnt even be able to hear it running

[One_Bad_SHO]

its a stock K20, if the exhaust was decently sized it would be so quiet at idle you wouldnt even be able to hear it running

Well... guess I learned somethin new today.

[MistaCee]

but if they were to race any race, im pretty sure the nova would win every category, therefor making his opinion wrong.

Thats not the point of a sleeper though....

[DieselNuts]

Thats not the point of a sleeper though....

If you look back, I already said that I was wrong about that post...

[WHT_EP3]

So your saying

American = not good around turns? <---- defitnatley correct
Corvette = Sophisticated suspension?

If you dont know what your talking about, your opinion aint worth nothing.

Now that's my opinion.

ok now Mr i know everything
name TWO american cars that were built by Americans and in America that are even recognize to do good in turns, and did outstanding in a slalom test other than the CORVETTE. so check your self and dont let others cause it just makes you look bad.

i only talk when i am confident on what i am saying.

[WHT_EP3]

Even though your opinion can't be wrong, it can be FUKING RETARDED! thats got to be the dumbest thing I have read all day...and thats a FACT!

now i want you to back up to what you typed and think about it for a moment
IN -----MY----- OPINION. <---you got it, DUMB A$$. the OPINION part.

so let me try again. A car that just goes really fast in a staright line its ghey, stupid, and a WAIST OF MONEY. like that gay @$$ NOVA that has been posted as the ultimate sleepr like and trillion times.

its not a sleeper with a roll cage, with two superchargers, and those big a$$ tires on the back of that car. the noise that it would be making cause it has got to be camed would just give it away.

i bet if a MEXICAN still wet from the rio grande, that knows nothing about cars looks at that NOVA at a redlight he would say
that car has some cojones.

now that is the way i think, and you cant change it, its just one of those things that dont affect others, no one can do anything about it. But if you would like to try just lmk. (take it how you want to take it.)

[EJ25RUN]

ok now Mr i know everything
name TWO american cars that were built by Americans and in America that are even recognize to do good in turns, and did outstanding in a slalom test other than the CORVETTE. so check your self and dont let others cause it just makes you look bad.

i only talk when i am confident on what i am saying.

1.1966 Shelby GT350
2. 1964-1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe
3. 1967 Ford GT40 MKIV (Carrol Shelby's 100% American GT40)
4.1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda
5. 1970 Dodge T/A Challanger
6. All of Jim Hall's Chaparral cars
7. 1999 Mustang Cobra R
8. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V
9. 1996 - 2008 Dodge Viper GTS and GTS-R comp coupe
10. 2000-2006 Saleen S7
11. All of the GrandAm/ALMS chassis manufactuers......Riley, Pratt & Miller, etc
12. Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky
13. Panoz Esperante
14. Ford Mustand FR500C
15. Saleen Mustang SR
16. Cunningham c4
17. Mosler MT900
18. Mosler Consulier GTP
19. Shadow Racing Cars
20. Cadillac LMP


I could do more, I got bored.

Ohh Yeah, Ignorance is bliss.

[03RCode]

Your list says 1999 Cobra R... as I'm sure you know there wasnt a Cobra R in 1999, it was a 1993, 1995, and 2000 deal. Not trying to be a smartass or anything, just thought I'd point it out.

[EJ25RUN]

Your list says 1999 Cobra R... as I'm sure you know there wasnt a Cobra R in 1999, it was a 1993, 1995, and 2000 deal. Not trying to be a smartass or anything, just thought I'd point it out.

Your right, i remember reading about the car in a 99 issue of Road and Track and that was the first thing i remembered.

[blackshine007]

1.1966 Shelby GT350
2. 1964-1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe
3. 1967 Ford GT40 MKIV (Carrol Shelby's 100% American GT40)
4.1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda
5. 1970 Dodge T/A Challanger
6. All of Jim Hall's Chaparral cars
7. 1999 Mustang Cobra R
8. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V
9. 1996 - 2008 Dodge Viper GTS and GTS-R comp coupe
10. 2000-2006 Saleen S7
11. All of the GrandAm/ALMS chassis manufactuers......Riley, Pratt & Miller, etc
12. Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky
13. Panoz Esperante
14. Ford Mustand FR500C
15. Saleen Mustang SR
16. Cunningham c4
17. Mosler MT900
18. Mosler Consulier GTP
19. Shadow Racing Cars
20. Cadillac LMP


I could do more, I got bored.

Ohh Yeah, Ignorance is bliss.

I'll add on to that list too of stock production cars that did well.....
Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 442 W41
Oldsmobile Achieva SCX W41
Chevrolet Cobalt SS & SS/SC
Dodge Neon R/T ACR
Dodge SRT-4 ACR
Dodge Daytona R/T
Ford Probe GT

I couldn't think of any others, but there was more.

[EJ25RUN]

now i want you to back up to what you typed and think about it for a moment
IN -----MY----- OPINION. <---you got it, DUMB A$$. the OPINION part.

so let me try again. A car that just goes really fast in a staright line its ghey, stupid, and a WAIST OF MONEY. like that gay @$$ NOVA that has been posted as the ultimate sleepr like and trillion times.

its not a sleeper with a roll cage, with two superchargers, and those big a$$ tires on the back of that car. the noise that it would be making cause it has got to be camed would just give it away.

i bet if a MEXICAN still wet from the rio grande, that knows nothing about cars looks at that NOVA at a redlight he would say
that car has some cojones.

now that is the way i think, and you cant change it, its just one of those things that dont affect others, no one can do anything about it. But if you would like to try just lmk. (take it how you want to take it.)

nothing to comment i assume?

[DieselNuts]

now i want you to back up to what you typed and think about it for a moment
IN -----MY----- OPINION. <---you got it, DUMB A$$. the OPINION part.

so let me try again. A car that just goes really fast in a staright line its ghey, stupid, and a WAIST OF MONEY.

You're right. That is your opinion and I cant change it, but I can still say that it is fuking retarded....ITS FUKING RETARDED.

like that gay @$$ NOVA that has been posted as the ultimate sleepr like and trillion times.

Please post links to every thread that has this car in it. I can think of maybe 3 others.

its not a sleeper with a roll cage,

The roll cage is tucked fuk stick

with two superchargers,

The superchargers are super quiet. Do some goddamn research.

and those big a$$ tires on the back of that car.

The tires are 295s. the only reason you think they are "big ass" is because you drive a fuking honda with 195s. My car came factory with 275s on all 4 corners. I will have 315s in the rear soon. again, 295s are not big, especially when the car is making 1000hp.

the noise that it would be making cause it has got to be camed would just give it away.

not all cams hit a hard lick. Ever heard a turbo mustang that is cammed? You would never know it untill they stepped on the loud pedal.

now that is the way i think, and you cant change it, its just one of those things that dont affect others, no one can do anything about it. But if you would like to try just lmk. (take it how you want to take it.)

I still say your opinion is fuking retarded. Take that how you want to take it

ok now Mr i know everything
name TWO american cars that were built by Americans and in America that are even recognize to do good in turns, and did outstanding in a slalom test other than the CORVETTE. so check your self and dont let others cause it just makes you look bad.

i only talk when i am confident on what i am saying.

1.1966 Shelby GT350
2. 1964-1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe
3. 1967 Ford GT40 MKIV (Carrol Shelby's 100% American GT40)
4.1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda
5. 1970 Dodge T/A Challanger
6. All of Jim Hall's Chaparral cars
7. 1999 Mustang Cobra R
8. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V
9. 1996 - 2008 Dodge Viper GTS and GTS-R comp coupe
10. 2000-2006 Saleen S7
11. All of the GrandAm/ALMS chassis manufactuers......Riley, Pratt & Miller, etc
12. Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky
13. Panoz Esperante
14. Ford Mustand FR500C
15. Saleen Mustang SR
16. Cunningham c4
17. Mosler MT900
18. Mosler Consulier GTP
19. Shadow Racing Cars
20. Cadillac LMP


I could do more, I got bored.

Ohh Yeah, Ignorance is bliss.

If thats not the ultimate ownage, I dont know what is...

[WHT_EP3]

1.1966 Shelby GT350

2. 1964-1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe <----they sold this to the public too right.

3. 1967 Ford GT40 MKIV (Carrol Shelby's 100% American GT40)<---they sold that to the public also

4.1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda <----- i'll love to see this do a slalom test at over 50 mph.

5. 1970 Dodge T/A Challanger <------i'll love to see this do a slalom test at over 50 mph.

6. All of Jim Hall's Chaparral cars Jim Hall's those are all over buford highway right, they sold this to the public too right.

7. 1999 Mustang Cobra R <---- 2000

8. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

9. 1996 - 2008 Dodge Viper GTS and GTS-R comp coupe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpEaMr4Yq48
they talk about the handling all through this video

10. 2000-2006 Saleen S7

11. All of the GrandAm/ALMS chassis manufactuers......Riley, Pratt & Miller, etc

12. Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky

13. Panoz Esperante

14. Ford Mustand FR500C <---- never heard of a ford mustand i dont think that option came stock either.

15. Saleen Mustang SR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZpS_gndDE

16. Cunningham c4

17. Mosler MT900

18. Mosler Consulier GTP yeah this is

19. Shadow Racing Cars <----- i see these all the time in the streets

20. Cadillac LMP <----yeah i think this would fail an emission test


I could do more, I got bored. says the guy the posted 11 cars that were built by racing companies

Ohh Yeah, (Ignorance is bliss) im saying

ok now compare these cars to track record set by cars built all over the world especially the ones built europe and tell me if they even compare to any of the records set by them when it comes to the handling part and be serious out of your whole list there is only a couple the you could buy in a dealership
for a nerd that spends all day on the computer you should know better.

[DieselNuts]

when did you say anything about them being production cars? You said:

name TWO american cars that were built by Americans and in America that are even recognize to do good in turns, and did outstanding in a slalom test other than the CORVETTE.

Dont try to turn it around. You just got proven wrong BIG TIME.

[WHT_EP3]

OK now dieselNUTZ Stop riding OLegs Nuts
1. a roll cage is a roll cage how the hell did i spot it if it is so tucked
2. 1000HP plus quiet just does not go together
3. and by the way yeah all cars these days come with 295 stock right
all i am saying is that the nova its not a sleeper. (IMO B!tch)
4. your sounding like the ultiamte retard
5. and if i am a fuk stick i am your mothers favorite
ohh (take it how you wanna take it.)

[03RCode]

1.1966 Shelby GT350

2. 1964-1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe <----they sold this to the public too right. <--- Yes actually, those who could afford it could own one.

3. 1967 Ford GT40 MKIV (Carrol Shelby's 100% American GT40)<---they sold that to the public also <--- You could buy a GT40, maybe not this one, but still an incredible car.

4.1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda <----- i'll love to see this do a slalom test at over 50 mph. <--- I'd like to see another 1970 model car do much better.

5. 1970 Dodge T/A Challanger <------i'll love to see this do a slalom test at over 50 mph. <--- I'd like to see another 1970 model car do much better.

6. All of Jim Hall's Chaparral cars Jim Hall's those are all over buford highway right, they sold this to the public too right.

7. 1999 Mustang Cobra R <---- 2000 <--- Were avalible to the public as well.

8. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

9. 1996 - 2008 Dodge Viper GTS and GTS-R comp coupe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpEaMr4Yq48
they talk about the handling all through this video <--- Still a great handling machine compared to what most people are used to.

10. 2000-2006 Saleen S7

11. All of the GrandAm/ALMS chassis manufactuers......Riley, Pratt & Miller, etc

12. Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky

13. Panoz Esperante

14. Ford Mustand FR500C <---- never heard of a ford mustand i dont think that option came stock either. <--- Actually you could order an FR500C car.

15. Saleen Mustang SR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZpS_gndDE

16. Cunningham c4

17. Mosler MT900

18. Mosler Consulier GTP yeah this is

19. Shadow Racing Cars <----- i see these all the time in the streets <--- Yay you were right on one car in the list.

20. Cadillac LMP <----yeah i think this would fail an emission test <--- So who half the cars on this board.

Eh.

[WHT_EP3]

ok num nuts how the fuk are you going to compare RACING cars to regular Daily drivers
arent we talking about sleeper like cars, stick to the subject.

[DieselNuts]

OK now dieselNUTZ Stop riding OLegs Nuts
1. a roll cage is a roll cage how the hell did i spot it if it is so tucked
2. 1000HP plus quiet just does not go together
3. and by the way yeah all cars these days come with 295 stock right
all i am saying is that the nova its not a sleeper. (IMO B!tch)
4. your sounding like the ultiamte retard
5. and if i am a fuk stick i am your mothers favorite
ohh (take it how you wanna take it.)

1. They show a fuking picture of it. thats how you spotted it. If you pulled up next to it at a stoplight, you wouldnt be able to spot it by the time you your ass waxed
2. like I said, to some fuking research and you will be eating your words.
3. Please point out where I said that all cars these days come with 295 tires. And please show me a nove in the asthetic condition of the one we are talking about with stock tires.
4. ultiamte retard huh....you just proved that with your spelling...
5. Uh oh, now your dissin my mom resort back to your 4th grade comebacks when you get backed into a corner...

[DieselNuts]

ok num nuts how the fuk are you going to compare RACING cars to regular Daily drivers
arent we talking about sleeper like cars, stick to the subject.

when did you say anything about a daily driver? You were very vague on what cars to pick from and you got proven wrong. Deal with it fag

[WHT_EP3]

like i said before, if maybe there wasnt so much sand in your vagina, stop riding nutz and yes you said my car comes with 275 stock
all i am pointing out is just not a sleeper and why would i race a car with a roll cage and two big ass rear tires in the streets
MR. Nutrider