Your harshest criticisms for this plan

[BanginJimmy]

I understand where you are going with this, but I dont know about the survey idea. There are so many people that believe they have a right to a 1 hour lunch, or a right to a 20 minute break every couple hours that it will skew the results as a way of forcing the company to give in.

I am from Chicago, where unions run everything, and I have seen the good and bad side of them. The unions have strong armed politicians to the point that you cannot get a govt contract unless you use union labor. You HAVE to be in the union if you want to work in certain industries, and on and on. These unions also ask for more than is right. The UAW is a perfect example. Members are getting paid 3-5x what is reasonable for their skill level. Then you add the outstanding benefit and retirement packages and that is the main, but not only, cause for the downfall of the Big 3.

[tony]

I understand where you are going with this, but I dont know about the survey idea. There are so many people that believe they have a right to a 1 hour lunch, or a right to a 20 minute break every couple hours that it will skew the results as a way of forcing the company to give in.

I am from Chicago, where unions run everything, and I have seen the good and bad side of them. The unions have strong armed politicians to the point that you cannot get a govt contract unless you use union labor. You HAVE to be in the union if you want to work in certain industries, and on and on. These unions also ask for more than is right. The UAW is a perfect example. Members are getting paid 3-5x what is reasonable for their skill level. Then you add the outstanding benefit and retirement packages and that is the main, but not only, cause for the downfall of the Big 3.

Like I said there is slack on the evaluations. Obviously getting more than 80% of your workforce to approve of your Corporation is far fetched that is why you keep the tax deduction competitive.. but not critical to the day to day functions of the business. Give just enough to be competitive but not enough to bankrupt anyone.

You get rid of the Unions by phasing them out through competition. We see what Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, etc is doing to GM, Ford and Chrysler. They cannot compete because the Unions are like dead weight.. it doesn't matter how connected they are.

Let the marketplace set the tone, Unions stagnate this economy.. if you remove the environment where Union's thrive they will become a thing of the past.

[AirMax95]

Like I said there is slack on the evaluations. Obviously getting more than 80% of your workforce to approve of your Corporation is far fetched that is why you keep the tax deduction competitive.. but not critical to the day to day functions of the business. Give just enough to be competitive but not enough to bankrupt anyone.

You get rid of the Unions by phasing them out through competition. We see what Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, etc is doing to GM, Ford and Chrysler. They cannot compete because the Unions are like dead weight.. it doesn't matter how connected they are.

Let the marketplace set the tone, Unions stagnate this economy.. if you remove the environment where Union's thrive they will become a thing of the past.

You speak truth.

[BanginJimmy]

You get rid of the Unions by phasing them out through competition. We see what Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, etc is doing to GM, Ford and Chrysler. They cannot compete because the Unions are like dead weight.. it doesn't matter how connected they are.

But what does it cost us to phase them out? I read that if the Big 3 collapse it will cost more than 10 million US jobs within 5 years. Its not just the actual GM plants that will shut down. It is also the dealships and component suppliers that will fold or at least cut back dramaticly. The US as a whole cannot afford to simply let them collapse.

Let the marketplace set the tone, Unions stagnate this economy.. if you remove the environment where Union's thrive they will become a thing of the past.

I dont know that unions stagnate the economy, but they, along with unfair trade practices, drive up the cost of American made products, making them uncompetitive compared to foreign made products in the same price range. Again, look at American made cars. People always complain that they are made like shit, yet cost the same as a foreign car. The reason for this is simple, the foreign companies can afford to use high quality parts in their vehicles while American manufacturers are forced to use lower quality parts to stay in the same price range.

The enviroment where unions thrive is always among minimally skilled laborers like the construction and manufacturing industries. Because those industries will always exist there will always be an enviroment in which someone with education can convince the uneducated that unionizing would benefit everyone.

[tony]

But what does it cost us to phase them out? I read that if the Big 3 collapse it will cost more than 10 million US jobs within 5 years. Its not just the actual GM plants that will shut down. It is also the dealships and component suppliers that will fold or at least cut back dramaticly. The US as a whole cannot afford to simply let them collapse.



I dont know that unions stagnate the economy, but they, along with unfair trade practices, drive up the cost of American made products, making them uncompetitive compared to foreign made products in the same price range. Again, look at American made cars. People always complain that they are made like shit, yet cost the same as a foreign car. The reason for this is simple, the foreign companies can afford to use high quality parts in their vehicles while American manufacturers are forced to use lower quality parts to stay in the same price range.

The enviroment where unions thrive is always among minimally skilled laborers like the construction and manufacturing industries. Because those industries will always exist there will always be an enviroment in which someone with education can convince the uneducated that unionizing would benefit everyone.

At the rate they're going, they are going to collapse anyway. What I'm saying is, not to change the company but change the environment in which they operate. Remove the strong desire for only profits and put some emphasis on the treatment of workers. If workers feel they are being treated fairly then there is no desire for them to collude. I am currently in a Union and you want to know when the Union hall is most empty? It's when things are good, people don't feel the need to fight the "establishment" when they are being treated well.

A plan like this one doesn't put the big 3 out of business, it requires them to take ownership of their workforce which I'm sure studies show time and time again.. grows business.

Trust me, Economically.. especially times like these Unions are dead weight on the economy.

[NevrNufTorq]

it's called profit sharing people!!!!!!!!! no government intervention, no union, if the company makes money, the employees make money. works in our business but we only employ 135 people so its just my as always