Obamas President, Now what?

[sport_122]

This thread is sad...I hope that some of you will stop getting your information in broken and second hand fragments from your buddy's who are doing the same thing. Its like playing telephone and it saddens me because some of you actually voted based on the BS of your peers and not by looking for simplified factual information.

I am sick of hearing people try to equate the lack of Obama support to race. A white man and a black man can both have ridiculous and stupid ideas on what policies will work. Obama's policies are not logical and that's why many and maybe most of the people who didn't vote for him made their choice. For instance, we are fixing details on a 750+billion dollar bill and also another one for the auto makers and the credit agencies, and at the same time Obama was saying to 95% of Americans that their taxes will not go up and 5% will get a slight increase...that is mathematically impossible. When you add in over a trillion dollars to the taxpayer bill. Especially when a high percentage (around 40) of those people pay NO taxes at all. These illogical statements are what lead to unanswered questions and a lack of support from some conservatives and democrats alike (black and white)

the OP asking about his business:

OP you will probably be okay with Obama in office. Your taxes will more than likely not be the reason you have to lay people off as much as it would be the poor economy thanks to actions from Clinton and his washington (and many more factors), and the lack of action from Bush and his washington. The effects of an Obama administration is going to be delayed for years. The tax plan will not pass immediately and the healthcare stuff will be the same. All the talk during the election was a bunch of BS banter to make people think that the first of the year will be a go button. It wont, and no matter how poorly or well Obama does in office, his supports will still treat him as if he can do not wrong, but you should try anything reasonable to keep all of your employees as letting them go will only increase the problems that are already there.

Bush has been discussing exit plans for Iraq since we went there. The issue is that he refuses to leave until there is stability and he refuses to telegraph those plans. I am sure they have changed, but even when the troop surge was being discussed he said that it would be needed to make steps towards stability and bringing them home. If you know anything about history there is a really good reason for this...anytime a nation is left unstable the most powerful potential leader takes control and usually by force. This is where most dictatorships came from...BTW, Hitler was not a dictator, he was an elected official. I have my problems with Bush too, but there is some completely misrepresented method behind his madness.

[SL65AMG]

it's fu@ked up how people think just because a black man is going to run the nation that everything will be jacked up. It won't be worse than bush being in office at least shit will change and this damn war will come to an end

i think its fucked up how people still think that people dont like him because hes black. his race isnt the problem.... his policies are.

another thing. regarding the war, we cannot just "pull out" of iraq. the country will implode on itself. the extremists will come in and take over the unstable country in a matter of weeks. and then we WILL have a problem

[Joshb0809]

well said.. couldnt agree any more

My opinion

Im sick of people thinking jsut because hes black that he will be the natons hero.. give me a break..

[sidewayz13b]

we are all f***** in the a**! im pissed cause some people i know are going to have to pay higher taxes just because they furthered their education. also the fact that he doesnt support any kind of law enforcement or the military. that is stated fact.

[Dr.G35]

This thread is sad...I hope that some of you will stop getting your information in broken and second hand fragments from your buddy's who are doing the same thing. Its like playing telephone and it saddens me because some of you actually voted based on the BS of your peers and not by looking for simplified factual information.

I am sick of hearing people try to equate the lack of Obama support to race. A white man and a black man can both have ridiculous and stupid ideas on what policies will work. Obama's policies are not logical and that's why many and maybe most of the people who didn't vote for him made their choice. For instance, we are fixing details on a 750+billion dollar bill and also another one for the auto makers and the credit agencies, and at the same time Obama was saying to 95% of Americans that their taxes will not go up and 5% will get a slight increase...that is mathematically impossible. When you add in over a trillion dollars to the taxpayer bill. Especially when a high percentage (around 40) of those people pay NO taxes at all. These illogical statements are what lead to unanswered questions and a lack of support from some conservatives and democrats alike (black and white)

the OP asking about his business:

OP you will probably be okay with Obama in office. Your taxes will more than likely not be the reason you have to lay people off as much as it would be the poor economy thanks to actions from Clinton and his washington (and many more factors), and the lack of action from Bush and his washington. The effects of an Obama administration is going to be delayed for years. The tax plan will not pass immediately and the healthcare stuff will be the same. All the talk during the election was a bunch of BS banter to make people think that the first of the year will be a go button. It wont, and no matter how poorly or well Obama does in office, his supports will still treat him as if he can do not wrong, but you should try anything reasonable to keep all of your employees as letting them go will only increase the problems that are already there.

Bush has been discussing exit plans for Iraq since we went there. The issue is that he refuses to leave until there is stability and he refuses to telegraph those plans. I am sure they have changed, but even when the troop surge was being discussed he said that it would be needed to make steps towards stability and bringing them home. If you know anything about history there is a really good reason for this...anytime a nation is left unstable the most powerful potential leader takes control and usually by force. This is where most dictatorships came from...BTW, Hitler was not a dictator, he was an elected official. I have my problems with Bush too, but there is some completely misrepresented method behind his madness.

thank you. someone actually understands that we dont see repercussion's from presidents within a short period of time. reps

[tony]

another thing. regarding the war, we cannot just "pull out" of iraq. the country will implode on itself. the extremists will come in and take over the unstable country in a matter of weeks. and then we WILL have a problem

You're saying someone could come in and in two weeks, make more of difference than we have in 5 years? Sounds like a success to me..

We already have problems domestically. I don't see how we put Iraq on this high ass pedestal like we NEED to save them when we struggle to save our selves. The logic behind that is amazing.

[BanginJimmy]

You're saying someone could come in and in two weeks, make more of difference than we have in 5 years? Sounds like a success to me..

With this reasoning, do you call Vietnam a success?

We already have problems domestically. I don't see how we put Iraq on this high ass pedestal like we NEED to save them when we struggle to save our selves. The logic behind that is amazing.

We have a ton of problems domesticly, but none of those problems should get in the way of what needs to be done there. Leaving Iraq too early will do nothing more than give us a reason to head back there in 2 years under far worse conditions than we have now. Not only will we have the foreign fighters fighting the US, the domestic fighters fighting the US, and the domestic fighters fighting other Iraqis, but we will have FAR less support among the Iraqi citizens that are that support us now.

[Vteckidd]

You're saying someone could come in and in two weeks, make more of difference than we have in 5 years? Sounds like a success to me..

We already have problems domestically. I don't see how we put Iraq on this high ass pedestal like we NEED to save them when we struggle to save our selves. The logic behind that is amazing.

well with all due respect, Its much harder to change 1000s of years of hatred that it is to go back to the way things were.

I mean i think if we pulled out instantly, you would have IRan/Syria backing someone to take over iraq. The Iraqis are getting better but they just prob couldnt hold out against a guerilla coup if it happened.

Its a very fragile country, an NO ONE can call it a sucess of failure right now, its too soon to know.

Whether you agree with the war or not, we are in it, it makes no sense to withdraw now, and Obama seems to be conceding that point based on his recent decisions

[Vteckidd]

We already have problems domestically. I don't see how we put Iraq on this high ass pedestal like we NEED to save them when we struggle to save our selves. The logic behind that is amazing.

You dont think national security is a domestic problem?

[stephen]

i heard this on cnn yesterday, did a search on their site and pulled this IMPORTANT PIECE out of the article for the business owners.

• Business break for losses: Obama is considering a tax break for businesses that book losses in 2008 and 2009.

The stimulus plan may extend what's called the net-operating loss carryback to five years, up from two years currently. The provision lets companies apply their losses to past and future tax bills so that they can get money back on taxes they've already paid or would otherwise have to pay.

• Job creation: Obama would establish a new credit for businesses that either create jobs in the United States or avoid layoffs.

• Small-business write-off: Obama would increase the amount of expenses small businesses can write off to $250,000 in 2009 and 2010, up from $125,000 currently.

While political observers believe the now-added emphasis on business tax cuts as a major part of a stimulus package is one way the Obama team hopes to attract Republican support, that's not how the Obama camp explains it.

full article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/...ref=newssearch

as far as the war stuff goes...people need to understand that the man is not going to take EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER OUT OF IRAQ! they just built a damn embassy over there. you don't build an embassy somewhere and then just LEAVE. i personally think that he's going to be a little more "strategic" in how things are done over there. not just dumping troops, blowing money, and feeding weapons. the most important thing he can do over there is try to mend the relationship we have...so we're not just seen as "tyrants," and don't have to fight this thing all on our own.

[BanginJimmy]

those tax cuts do sound like an olive branch to republicans, but I dont see why he is going to bother. He needs no republican support and he knows it. The only thing I can think of is that he is looking toward the future and his less than popular changes he is planning on making.

[09ssturbo]

you cannot compare vietnam to iraq...not in this sense...In Vietnam we made no where near the impact we have made in iraq

[BanginJimmy]

you cannot compare vietnam to iraq...not in this sense...In Vietnam we made no where near the impact we have made in iraq

Actually I see alot of similarities to Vietnam.

1. Politicians using the war for political use
2. Politicians getting involved in military operations
3. Hearts and minds before military objectives
4. complete lack of political support
5. Media imbedded with operational units
6. Media on the side of our enemies and portraying our troops as evil

I could go on for a long time.

[pbstarr1]

uhuh!! and that would show how fu**ed up american really is now wouldnt it?I am sry but americans all got is twisted. i didn't care to vote for cain or bama but i am glad bama got it just so all these racist hating fags could come out the bushes and talk about killing him,when it wasn't that big of a deal when there where 43 other presidents that was in office and where all white But as soon as a blk guy gets it the white folks starting talking about killing some 1,u fuc*ers killed our own country give some 1 else a chance to clean it up

We'll done!!!!

[pbstarr1]

Actually lol.

1. Obama could really fuck shit up in the next year enacting his tax the rich policies. Will he?(Highly doubt it)

2. Is he capable of "change" yea absolutely largely in part he will have almost all of congress behind him. The democrats may not control 60 seats in the senate like they want to but they are close enough that all it takes is a few republicans to say I like it(which always happens) and congress is fillibuster proof.

3. Hate to break tit to you but Obama deserves almost no credit for getting us out of Iraq. Guess who does? Bush. He's been negotiating our withdrawl for months. Most people don't know about it because the media doesn't give it all the coverage that it deserves. Garauntee you though Obama will get almost all the credit for getting us out of Iraq.

Damn this dude is pissed , man its going to be okay you don't have any choice but to let it go. It's done and finish Obama is our president . So sit back and enjoy the ride b/c everything is all bad anyway so just have faith and hope and put all your worries in the lord hands

[meengreenPGT]

^^Thats pretty much all we can do, right? Nicely said.

[Tech5]

Obamas President, Now what? [/b]

Well the world as we know is FUKED for the US of A... So with this happening I can say that we all are screwed so thanks to all that VOTED for this DOUCHE BAG!

[flak_monkey]

Well the world as we know is FUKED for the US of A... So with this happening I can say that we all are screwed so thanks to all that VOTED for this DOUSCH BAG!

what the hell is a dousch?

[Tech5]

what the hell is a douche?

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