The disaster WAS bush's fault with PROOF

[Brett]

Neg- Points for GA Teg and malfeas99 for actin like hard asses.

When I get home youwill be getting negatives in the amounts of 10's for you just being a plain out dumb ass with no true facts to talk shit with

[malfeas99]

Neg- Points for GA Teg and malfeas99 for actin like hard asses.

If by 'actin like hard asses' you mean 'using one's brain', then yes, I'll accept the negative points.

[Kristi]

did i say that brett? ummm, no. and don't call me fucking stupid.

i'm sure that people 40 years ago thought the levees were adaquate. or maybe that is the best that they could do, who knows. but other administrations saw a problem and kept funding going to help with the New Orleans area - including wet land space, run through test evacuations and help if a diaster did occur - but this administration stopped all that.

[A.P. Photography]

did i say that brett? ummm, no. and don't call me fucking stupid.

i'm sure that people 40 years ago thought the levees were adaquate. or maybe that is the best that they could do, who knows. but other administrations saw a problem and kept funding going to help with the New Orleans area - including wet land space, run through test evacuations and help if a diaster did occur - but this administration stopped all that.

Read my past post, they built them to a Cat. 3 because it was "cost effective". They knew in the '60's that if N.O. took a direct hit it would wipe out but they decided at that time that building them to a Cat. 3 strength would be sufficient and more cost effective.

[Brett]

did i say that brett? ummm, no. and don't call me fucking stupid.

i'm sure that people 40 years ago thought the levees were adaquate. or maybe that is the best that they could do, who knows. but other administrations saw a problem and kept funding going to help with the New Orleans area - including wet land space, run through test evacuations and help if a diaster did occur - but this administration stopped all that.

So out off all the presidents in the past 40 years it comes to Bush being the one you claim should be liable for the 40 years of the levee that they knew from day one wasnt enough to stop a major storm?

[Kristi]

So out off all the presidents in the past 40 years it comes to Bush being the one you claim should be liable for the 40 years of the levee that they knew from day one wasnt enough to stop a major storm?

No, the Bush administration cut the funding. Past administrations kept funding going and did do something to reduce the risk to N.O. Clinton tried to keep more wetlands cause they help with reducing the hurricane, but this administration gave way to have those wetlands built on. Other administrations could have done more - I'm not saying that they did the best, but this administration didnt do hardly anything to prevent something like this. They hindered the whole thing.

[malfeas99]

No, the Bush administration cut the funding. Past administrations kept funding going and did do something to reduce the risk to N.O. Clinton tried to keep more wetlands cause they help with reducing the hurricane, but this administration gave way to have those wetlands built on. Other administrations could have done more - I'm not saying that they did the best, but this administration didnt do hardly anything to prevent something like this. They hindered the whole thing.

So if there was all this funding up till recently, why weren't any levees strengthened up till now? Why is it suddenly a huge crisis when Bush is in office and they start to reign in federal funding for what should be primarily state and city-based projects? Do you even know if the state or city was going to make up the difference in funding, making it a complete wash anyways?

That's why this information is useless.

[Brett]

No, the Bush administration cut the funding. Past administrations kept funding going and did do something to reduce the risk to N.O. Clinton tried to keep more wetlands cause they help with reducing the hurricane, but this administration gave way to have those wetlands built on. Other administrations could have done more - I'm not saying that they did the best, but this administration didnt do hardly anything to prevent something like this. They hindered the whole thing.

and like has been posted atleast 3 times now, that wasnt taking effect till 2006, so how is that again effecting now? And again, its his fault the past 40 years they didnt do anything that was needed? Wetlands wouldnt stop this disaster. The pumps being raised and put on stands would have helped ALOT to get water out as it came in, Doesnt take much money to put pumps on stands so they arent at ground level so when water rushs in, so again how is 40+ years of neglect isnt his fault.

[4dmin]

I seriously doubt you started the bush-bashing bandwagon. Some of us think of things on terms larger than a website.

does someone need a tampon??? did you not see that it was a joke? you seriously need to lightenup, this is a discussion not a battle.

[malfeas99]

does someone need a tampon??? did you not see that it was a joke? you seriously need to lightenup, this is a discussion not a battle.

Yes, I need a tampon. I have a vagina, and it is bleeding. And there's sand in it.

This may come as a surprise to some of you.

[A.P. Photography]

does someone need a tampon??? did you not see that it was a joke? you seriously need to lightenup, this is a discussion not a battle.

He didn't start the bandwagon but he did get it bigger

[B16a2 Civic]

does someone need a tampon??? did you not see that it was a joke? you seriously need to lightenup, this is a discussion not a battle.

exactly, i dont dislike anyonen here for pointing their opinion, even tho me and Paul and a few others have different views, i still like him as a person and nothing has changed, just like every other person on here...including kristi and her sister...thsi is a discusion not a battle, if thats the case, all of IA will be torn into two sides and alot of drama and fighting will take place all day everyday...basically i feel it should all stay in this thread and all related threads.....i hope no one feels animosity toward me for what i have said and how i feel....because i dont toward any of you who disagree with what i have said earlier

[Kristi]

exactly, i dont dislike anyonen here for pointing their opinion, even tho me and Paul and a few others have different views, i still like him as a person and nothing has changed, just like every other person on here...including kristi and her sister...thsi is a discusion not a battle, if thats the case, all of IA will be torn into two sides and alot of drama and fighting will take place all day everyday...basically i feel it should all stay in this thread and all related threads.....i hope no one feels animosity toward me for what i have said and how i feel....because i dont toward any of you who disagree with what i have said earlier

i still think you are a monkey butt just playing with ya

[Leisa]

well its not like all this fucking bickering is going to fix all the problems at hand now.. hindsight is 20/20.... you live and learn, they now (I am assuming) know what needs to be done, and when all this chaos is over and done with lets just pray that things get back to normal...

[technoteg97]

ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSITUTION


" WE ARE OUT HERE LIKE ANIMALS,..WE DON'T HAVE HELP!?

[Brett]

Instead of doing quotes, do research, and you dont have to quote what we all know is going on in NOL.

[B16a2 Civic]

ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSITUTION


" WE ARE OUT HERE LIKE ANIMALS,..WE DON'T HAVE HELP!?

.....

[technoteg97]

Research..Go look it up yourself smart Man. cause its all very true..so little help..most people in miss. and Alabama still dont have help. Slow Response.

[A.P. Photography]

Research..Go look it up yourself smart Man. cause its all very true..so little help..most people in miss. and Alabama still dont have help. Slow Response.

So you even understand how large this hurricane was? A lot of the areas in Al and Ms are inaccessible at this time and they can't get in to them. The places they can get to are getting help you just don't see that much about them because they are acting civil compared to N.O.

[technoteg97]

So you even understand how large this hurricane was? A lot of the areas in Al and Ms are inaccessible at this time and they can't get in to them. The places they can get to are getting help you just don't see that much about them because they are acting civil compared to N.O.

Why are they acting Civil and why do they need to? and they arent showing anyone getting food and water only showing people on the streets asking for help on cnn and fox ive seen so far.

[Brett]

Research..Go look it up yourself smart Man. cause its all very true..so little help..most people in miss. and Alabama still dont have help. Slow Response.

And you quoting a headline is news to anyone who is even remotley aware of the events this week. Again... Post up stuff that has meaning, not alot to ask.

[Julio]

technoteg97 you need to shut the fuck up or You will be ban for fucking ever.


Interesting thread. Im surprised jaime is not in here..

Anyways.. I agree with malfeas99 150% he made more valid points then anyone else in this thread.
He Even said a couple of times he does not like bush.

Me personally wouldnt blame bush for nothing. Im sure hes doing anything in his power.

Im willing to bet If bush was there MONDAY when the disaster started he wouldve still Be bashed. Why send the Most important man in our goverment and in the world to that mess at this moment? Does not make sense. Wait until things somewhat calm down and then make a move....

Honestly, Theres no one to blame for the disaster but mother nature. Theres nothing in this world that can fuck with mother nature. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
I really dont care for bush.. But I agree with valid points when I see or read them.

[Brett]

technoteg97 you need to shut the fuck up or You will be ban for fucking ever.

Damn even the owner of the site thinks you are a fucking moron!! Way to get on the good side of the right people on here

[AznTraitor]

Damn even the owner of the site thinks you are a fucking moron!! Way to get on the good side of the right people on here

how quickly he shuts up, isnt it great!

[SNapper]

anytime anything extreme happens all the not so thoughtfull people blame bush, just like 911

[Julio]

I just spoke with an ALIEN... he said that BUSH set up about 1.5 million fans in the GULF to cause this hurricane.

[Brett]

I just spoke with an ALIEN... he said that BUSH set up about 1.5 million fans in the GULF to cause this hurricane.

Damn Kristi and Heather will be glad to know thier theory was right on good 'ol dubya!!

[nightracer]

The rebuttals to the article in this thread are indicative of people's inability to think on their own.

[Brett]

Which members? lol

[technoteg97]

TOYOTA PLEDGED 5 Million?

[djmaddmartin]

Hell yeah! I feel the same way. Just like all the Republicans trying to defend Dubya with total BS instead of just saying, Yeah he fucked up, but what can we do to help and make sure this never happens again.... Hmmm how about !!! NOT ELECTING A COMPLETER UTER FUCKING MORON NEXT TIME!!! I'm sure you can find someone better to back next time... anyone! Please... or you might be seeing another mad tree climbing rodent comin' at you live baby!

[malfeas99]

BTW, since this thread seemed to have the most talk about the funding for the Engineer Corps, I thought I would share a revelation regarding said funding, from an article:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/125/5602732.html

Text of article:

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had launched a $748 million construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a massive new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.

Except barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times larger.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways like the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that turns out to be less than forecast.

Most controversial

The Industrial Canal lock is one of the agency's most controversial projects, sued by residents of a New Orleans low-income black neighborhood and cited by an alliance of environmentalists and taxpayer advocates as the fifth-worst current Corps boondoggle. In 1998, the Corps justified its plan to build a new lock -- rather than fix the old lock for a tiny fraction of the cost -- by predicting huge increases in barge traffic.

In fact, barge traffic on the canal had been plummeting since 1994, but the Corps left that data out of its study. And barges have continued to avoid the canal since the study was finished, even though they are visiting the port in increased numbers.

Pam Dashiell, president of the Holy Cross Neighborhood Association, remembers holding a protest against the lock four years ago -- right where the levee broke last week. Now she's holed up with her family in a St. Louis hotel, and her neighborhood is underwater. "Our politicians never cared half as much about protecting us as they cared about pork," she said.

Wednesday, congressional defenders of the Corps said they hoped the fallout from Hurricane Katrina would pave the way for billions of dollars of additional spending on water projects. Steve Ellis, a Corps critic with Taxpayers for Common Sense, called their push "the legislative equivalent of looting."

Louisiana's politicians have requested much more money for New Orleans hurricane protection than the Bush administration has proposed or Congress has provided. In the last budget bill, Louisiana's delegation requested $27.1 million for shoring up levees around Lake Pontchartrain, the full amount the Corps had declared as its "project capability." Bush suggested $3.9 million, and Congress agreed to spend $5.7 million.

Administration officials also scaled back a long-term project to restore Louisiana's disappearing coastal marshes, which once provided a measure of natural hurricane protection for New Orleans. They ordered the Corps to stop work on a $14 billion plan and devise a $2 billion plan instead.

Levees only so strong

But overall, the Bush administration's funding requests for the key New Orleans flood-control projects for the past five years were slightly higher than the Clinton administration's for its past five years. Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, the chief of the Corps, has said that in any event, more money would not have prevented the drowning of the city, since its levees were only designed to protect against a Category 3 storm. Strock also has said the marsh restoration project would not have done much to diminish Katrina's storm surge, which passed east of the coastal wetlands.

"The project manager for the Great Pyramids probably put in a request for 100 million shekels and only got 50 million," said John Paul Woodley Jr., the Bush administration official overseeing the Corps. "Flood protection is always a work in progress; on any given day, if you ask whether any community has all the protection it needs, the answer is almost always: Maybe, but maybe not."

The Corps had been studying the possibility of upgrading the New Orleans levees for a higher level of protection before Katrina hit, but Woodley said that study would not have been finished for years. Still, liberal bloggers, Democratic politicians and some Republican defenders of the Corps have linked the catastrophe to the underfunding of the agency.

"We've been hollering about funding for years, but everyone would say: There goes Louisiana again, asking for more money," said former Democratic senator John Breaux. "We've had some powerful people in powerful places, but we never got what we needed."

[djmaddmartin]

hmm.

[malfeas99]

hmm.

Sounds like this fella had a bit of what we like to call a 'padded resume'.

He's been removed from hurricane emergency response management.