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    i swear, we need to bann him again, he does nothing productive on this board, no one likes him and...well he's just fuckin annoying, the same reasons he was banned the first time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    I see you dont want me or anyone to lay off your stupid ass, So what reasons do you have for not liking? All you can do is say +1 for what someone said but cant seem to ina smart way that has facts to back it up say what reasons you have to not like anything.... so why dont you take a step back, breathe, go to google, and then copy and paste some article you can find that bash's Bush so you can then try and say you typed it and sound smart, for once atleast.

    no, you've already been too nice to him, just ban him.


    what's the point of coddling this bastard when all he does is be stupid....I mean I guess we cant really blame him for being stupid, he's just that way.

    still ban him.

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    he cant see why I come at him in all his posts
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    Brett, you should have banned him for that disrespect he showed leisa....and all he does is say unproductive stupid shit in every thread...just like in that call out thread in the kills forum, he just pops up out of no where talkin about the tax cut for gas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    he cant see why I come at him in all his posts

    So let's do ourselves a favor and get rid of him, no need to answer him on why you come at him.

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    ^ bahhh that is the funniest pic i've seen yet... wow what compasion he has for the suffering?

    ..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    seriously you have to be the dumbest person on the planet... IF TROOPS AREN'T THERE HOW DOES THAT HELP??? the president can send troops to any city at any time he sees fit... you can drag up all of the BS laws you want, but even in 911 we had troops there on day one.
    A) It doesn't help. But you said there weren't enough troops stateside. You were wrong. Whether they are being deployed properly and effectively is an entirely different argument. But manpower isn't a problem. If you had said 'these Guardsmen aren't being deployed well and everything is going too slowly', I'd probably agree with you. But no, you had to say something stupid instead, about how the troops aren't here, they're overseas.

    B) The president CANNOT send troops to any city at any time he sees fit, read the Posse Comitatus Act, you retarded simian, if you can even pronounce it. Rescue efforts such as are STATE CONTROLLED, not FEDERALLY CONTROLLED. Learn the FREAKING DIFFERENCE.

    10.5 billion bahhh thats fucking change considering we are paying 1 billion a day in iraq, and again what is money to people who are starving?
    A) 10.5 billion was a 'downpayment' on the beginnings of rescue efforts. I bet we'll see at least 10 times that in the following weeks/months.

    B) Are you really so abysmally lacking in brainpower that you are actually comparing the situation in Iraq and the money being spent there to the situation in NO and the amount of money necessary there? NOTHING about the two situations is even REMOTELY similar, beyond both of them involving human beings on planet earth.

    How about -you- tell us exactly what the president all the way down to the governor to the FEMA spokesperson to every Guardsman and Marine down there now SHOULD be doing, and exactly how much money should be spent and where. I'm sure you can come up with something well-informed, constructive, and helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    ..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.
    Kinda like you try and ACT lik eyou have a clue to anything you talk about or post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin


    ^ bahhh that is the funniest pic i've seen yet... wow what compasion he has for the suffering?
    Now it becomes clear. You wanted Bush to go down there and survey the damage and see the people so you could then bash him for putting up an act when he goes down to survey the damage and see the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    ..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.

    sounds like you are just jealous of the fact that the only thing would hug you is a dog when you have a peice of meat wrapped around your neck, and even then the dog wants to run away.

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    honestly...ya'll think he went down there to show people his alligators tears?
    appreantly he, like every other us citizen, is effected by this natural disaster, i mean i understand you hanving your stands against his political and war decisions...but to say he's putting up a front about he feels...thats below the belt

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    ALL YOU Tards THAT LOVE BUSH...WHY?! WHAT IS HE DOING THATS SO GREAT?! Right now??? The help down there and everyone is so freaking slow.
    I don't love Bush. I didn't vote for him either election. I think he's done some pretty bad things.

    That does not, however, mean I jump on every piece of leftist garbage that spews out of the mouths of idiots, nor do I accept the misinformation and lies and pointless conjecture that people seem to enjoy propagating.

    I don't like Bush. I like truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeas99
    How about -you- tell us exactly what the president all the way down to the governor to the FEMA spokesperson to every Guardsman and Marine down there now SHOULD be doing, and exactly how much money should be spent and where. I'm sure you can come up with something well-informed, constructive, and helpful.

    I won't hold my fucking breath.
    well you won't have to hold it for long... its amazing this situation has taken a week for military to show up, they could of had military deployed on the first day like in 911, this has nothing to do w/ money its the point of actions. there has been weak actions from the mayor, governor, fema, president, etc... they sent 100 MP 2 days ago to control over 20,000 angry starving/thirsty people at the dome. what do you call that? a good choice. i never said bush alone was to blame they all have a hand in this.

    i guess your one of those people if its not you it doesn't affect you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeas99
    I don't love Bush. I didn't vote for him either election. I think he's done some pretty bad things.

    That does not, however, mean I jump on every piece of leftist garbage that spews out of the mouths of idiots, nor do I accept the misinformation and lies and pointless conjecture that people seem to enjoy propagating.

    I don't like Bush. I like truth.

    im in the same square as him, i dont liek the man, i didn't vote for him, but i respect some of his decision making....you cant blame him for all our faults, some...but not all, but people like technoturd looks at everything he has ever done that negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    ..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.

    Im telling ya, you are one stupid motherfucker.. and the stupidity you show increases more and more as each day passes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeas99
    Now it becomes clear. You wanted Bush to go down there and survey the damage and see the people so you could then bash him for putting up an act when he goes down to survey the damage and see the people.

    Color me surprised.
    actually i love the likeness he has in the picture like he cares... if you don't think a photo like that is for votes then your just plain stupid. i guess its ok to sit in A/C and make press conferences on the issue w/o getting into it yourself, but as soon as you do everyone should accept the fact your days late?

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    well you won't have to hold it for long... its amazing this situation has taken a week for military to show up, they could of had military deployed on the first day like in 911, this has nothing to do w/ money its the point of actions. there has been weak actions from the mayor, governor, fema, president, etc... they sent 100 MP 2 days ago to control over 20,000 angry starving/thirsty people at the dome. what do you call that? a good choice. i never said bush alone was to blame they all have a hand in this.

    i guess your one of those people if its not you it doesn't affect you.
    9/11 was nothing like a natural disaster. It was, technically an act of war, which gives the federal government immediate jurisdiction. 9/11 was several square blocks. NO is several square miles.

    I agree that the response to curb violence and looting has been very lackluster, if 4-5 looters had been summarily shot on day 1, there wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem as there is now.

    HOWEVER, as I said, rescue efforts are a state's responsibility first, the federal government's responsibility second. That's the way this country works. So for you to immediately jump right to the top of the federal government to further some idiotic Bush-bashing agenda just goes to show that you're really NOT interested in addressing the problem, you just want to be mad at people you hate. I seriously doubt that if the man YOU voted for won the presidency, you would be so quick to criticize. Like I said, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

    And no, I'm not one of those people. I am, however, one of those people that attempts to remain a rational human being no matter what is happening or who I don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    actually i love the likeness he has in the picture like he cares... if you don't think a photo like that is for votes then your just plain stupid. i guess its ok to sit in A/C and make press conferences on the issue w/o getting into it yourself, but as soon as you do everyone should accept the fact your days late?
    This is ridiculous. Politicians lie. Politicians make careers out of convincing people they care about their plights. Sometimes it is genuine, sometimes it is not, sometimes it is forced. They're politicians, so sometimes it's very hard to tell. Of course that picture is for votes (though I'm not sure what the votes could be for, since he can't be reelected president again). Just like any politicians photo-ops are for votes. Christ, you act like it's just Bush, or just republicans. This is why you are part of the problem.

    But for you to jump on the bush-bash bandwagon and cry about how he's taking his sweet time going down there, to then jump on it again once he IS down there and trying to show some compassion (whether it exists or not, the fact is it doesn't matter, it's all about perception), shows me that no matter what happened, you would blame Bush for it somehow.

    Hell, if he had mobilized the military to evacuate before the storm, it would have been 'OMG BUSH IS TRAMPLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS HE IS DECLARE MARTIAL LAW!11!one'. If he had signed an emergency provision 2 days before the storm offering 5 billion for evacuation, it would have been 'BUSH IS DRIVING US FURTHAR INTO DEBT WTF'. If he had gone down there FIRST THING, it would have been 'OMG WTF BUSH IS STUPID FOR GOING DOWN THERE WITH ALL THE LOOTERS AND PEOPLE SHOOTING', or possibly just you wishing he would get shot or something.

    The problem with all of this is that you think you have some sort of enlightened grasp on politics, when in reality you're just a big regurgitating gut-feeling mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeas99
    This is ridiculous. Politicians lie. Politicians make careers out of convincing people they care about their plights. Sometimes it is genuine, sometimes it is not, sometimes it is forced. They're politicians, so sometimes it's very hard to tell. Of course that picture is for votes (though I'm not sure what the votes could be for, since he can't be reelected president again). Just like any politicians photo-ops are for votes. Christ, you act like it's just Bush, or just republicans. This is why you are part of the problem.

    But for you to jump on the bush-bash bandwagon and cry about how he's taking his sweet time going down there, to then jump on it again once he IS down there and trying to show some compassion (whether it exists or not, the fact is it doesn't matter, it's all about perception), shows me that no matter what happened, you would blame Bush for it somehow.

    Hell, if he had mobilized the military to evacuate before the storm, it would have been 'OMG BUSH IS TRAMPLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS HE IS DECLARE MARTIAL LAW!11!one'. If he had signed an emergency provision 2 days before the storm offering 5 billion for evacuation, it would have been 'BUSH IS DRIVING US FURTHAR INTO DEBT WTF'. If he had gone down there FIRST THING, it would have been 'OMG WTF BUSH IS STUPID FOR GOING DOWN THERE WITH ALL THE LOOTERS AND PEOPLE SHOOTING', or possibly just you wishing he would get shot or something.

    The problem with all of this is that you think you have some sort of enlightened grasp on politics, when in reality you're just a big regurgitating gut-feeling mess.

    yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he dont.

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    just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

    They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.
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    damn, Good post Kristi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristi
    just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

    They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

    here we go.....

    so let me get this straight...you honestly believe when Bush got into office he said "We dont need levy's, so let's cut the funding".

    it's called the Senate, and the local govt.....they all had to have some voice in it, if they voiced againest it...then obviously there wouldve still been funding.

    dumbest theory I have ever heard, you know those penguins in your signature...they died because bush caused global warming

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    damn, Good post Kristi.

    omg. shut up.

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    dude Bush, didnt do anything with the whole Levy's what so ever..so what are you talking bout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristi
    just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

    They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.
    An interesting theory, however, and as I stated in this thread before:

    1) You have no way of knowing how much money it would have actually taken to repair it.

    2) You have no idea whether it was Bush who personally cut the budget. Congressional budgets are initially created by, you guessed it, Congress.

    3) There are a hundred sob stories every DAY from organizations and people who didn't get enough of a handout from the federal government. The care of NO's levees should be state funded. Do you have information about how much money they recieved from the state for this pursuit? I imagine the cut was probably made to try and wean NO and LA off the federal teat and get them to pay for state infrastructure with state funds.

    4) Most of this funding cut was set to take place in 2006. It is 2005 now.

    5) Reinforcing the levees is not an 'insert coin, *poof* they're fixed' type of situation. It's a years-long effort. Even if they'd gotten every cent they'd wanted, it would have taken years.

    My question to you would be, then, why don't these things occur to you on your own? Do you ever question the information you recieve? Analyze? Do research?
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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    damn, Good post Kristi.
    you must have a crush on her.....i means its okay to agree with her...but about voice your opinion on why you believe this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznTraitor
    omg. shut up.

    I think you should shutup prick. and mind your own damn post and problems ass. I wasnt talking to you shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    dude Bush, didnt do anything with the whole Levy's what so ever..so what are you talking bout.
    Would you people please get off of the Bush/Levee connection. The levee's were desgined in the '60's to withstand a Cat. 3 hurricane because it was "cost effective". even if Bush had wanted to put more money into them there is no way it would have been done in time to prevent this. New Orleans was a poorly designed city from the get go. If you want someone to blame then go back to when the city was founded and blame them for a bad design or go back to the 60's and blame them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B16a2 Civic
    you must have a crush on her.....i means its okay to agree with her...but about voice your opinion on why you believe this...
    He doesn't have his own opinion. It's just a mishmash of a few other people's opinions. This is why he is unable to cogently explain it.
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    Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristi
    just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

    They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.
    thank you +10

    I seriously doubt that if the man YOU voted for won the presidency, you would be so quick to criticize. Like I said, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
    how do you know who i voted for? i didn't vote bush and most people on here know i don't like him anyway... i did vote kerry but that was only b/c i didn't have much of a choice. its not like green party/libertarian would of won. i simply vote against who i don't like.

    so go right ahead and think i'm on bush-hating-bandwagon.... i fucking started it on here ask Brett/Jamie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristi
    just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

    But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.
    OMFG!! That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen!! So now again your going to say Bush is the reason in 40+ years they didnt take the levee issue serious and upgrade or even put the pumps on stands so if the city flooded the damn pumps wouldnt be on the ground in the flood waters? Kristi I have just lost respect for you in the brain department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.
    So dumb fuck, how is that Bush's fault you fuckin moron?
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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    Neg- Points for GA Teg and malfeas99 for actin like hard asses.
    You haven't seen me act like a hard ass yet so don't even start
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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.

    ....almost there....
    so it would have been better that they not build at all, leave that big pieve of land there and move on somewhere else....or let them build the city and risk a natural disaster wipe them out? oorrrr let them build teh city, build strong defensives toward natural disasters...the point is this is all in teh past...could've's would'ves and should'ves, im just saying...dont blame one person

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeas99
    An interesting theory, however, and as I stated in this thread before:

    1) You have no way of knowing how much money it would have actually taken to repair it.

    2) You have no idea whether it was Bush who personally cut the budget. Congressional budgets are initially created by, you guessed it, Congress.

    3) There are a hundred sob stories every DAY from organizations and people who didn't get enough of a handout from the federal government. The care of NO's levees should be state funded. Do you have information about how much money they recieved from the state for this pursuit? I imagine the cut was probably made to try and wean NO and LA off the federal teat and get them to pay for state infrastructure with state funds.

    4) Most of this funding cut was set to take place in 2006. It is 2005 now.

    5) Reinforcing the levees is not an 'insert coin, *poof* they're fixed' type of situation. It's a years-long effort. Even if they'd gotten every cent they'd wanted, it would have taken years.

    My question to you would be, then, why don't these things occur to you on your own? Do you ever question the information you recieve? Analyze? Do research?
    It was to take years to fix the levee's - you are correct. The 'Council' heading up the replacement of these levees needed so many millions of dollars per year to get these fixed - they didn't get even half of what they were asking for this year. I also said the BUSH ADMINISTRATION (including Senate, etc.) cut the funding - I know it wasn't all Bush. It was the administration as a whole who cut the funding. The job and request for money was requested for a reason - because Louisana saw a problem and wanted to fix it. But since that funding was cut so drastically, the levees couldn't be repaired as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technoteg97
    Neg- Points for GA Teg and malfeas99 for actin like hard asses.
    When I get home youwill be getting negatives in the amounts of 10's for you just being a plain out dumb ass with no true facts to talk shit with
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    thank you +10
    So you +10 it, yet it has already been addressed as being irrelevant at this juncture. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALALA.

    how do you know who i voted for? i didn't vote bush and most people on here know i don't like him anyway... i did vote kerry but that was only b/c i didn't have much of a choice. its not like green party/libertarian would of won. i simply vote against who i don't like.

    so go right ahead and think i'm on bush-hating-bandwagon.... i fucking started it on here ask Brett/Jamie.
    Uh, I was going out on a limb there and assuming you didn't vote for Bush. And had Kerry won, you wouldn't have been nearly as quick to blame him for a bunch of extraneous crap like 'levee funding'. Or maybe you would, you've shown your grasp of the structure of state and federal governments to be tenuous at best.

    I seriously doubt you started the bush-bashing bandwagon. Some of us think of things on terms larger than a website.
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