The disaster WAS bush's fault with PROOF

[AznTraitor]

..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.

sounds like you are just jealous of the fact that the only thing would hug you is a dog when you have a peice of meat wrapped around your neck, and even then the dog wants to run away.

[Leisa]

..hahaha bush is throwin a Big ACT.

Im telling ya, you are one stupid motherfucker.. and the stupidity you show increases more and more as each day passes...

[malfeas99]

^ bahhh that is the funniest pic i've seen yet... wow what compasion he has for the suffering?

Now it becomes clear. You wanted Bush to go down there and survey the damage and see the people so you could then bash him for putting up an act when he goes down to survey the damage and see the people.

Color me surprised.

[4dmin]

Now it becomes clear. You wanted Bush to go down there and survey the damage and see the people so you could then bash him for putting up an act when he goes down to survey the damage and see the people.

Color me surprised.

actually i love the likeness he has in the picture like he cares... if you don't think a photo like that is for votes then your just plain stupid. i guess its ok to sit in A/C and make press conferences on the issue w/o getting into it yourself, but as soon as you do everyone should accept the fact your days late?

[malfeas99]

actually i love the likeness he has in the picture like he cares... if you don't think a photo like that is for votes then your just plain stupid. i guess its ok to sit in A/C and make press conferences on the issue w/o getting into it yourself, but as soon as you do everyone should accept the fact your days late?

This is ridiculous. Politicians lie. Politicians make careers out of convincing people they care about their plights. Sometimes it is genuine, sometimes it is not, sometimes it is forced. They're politicians, so sometimes it's very hard to tell. Of course that picture is for votes (though I'm not sure what the votes could be for, since he can't be reelected president again). Just like any politicians photo-ops are for votes. Christ, you act like it's just Bush, or just republicans. This is why you are part of the problem.

But for you to jump on the bush-bash bandwagon and cry about how he's taking his sweet time going down there, to then jump on it again once he IS down there and trying to show some compassion (whether it exists or not, the fact is it doesn't matter, it's all about perception), shows me that no matter what happened, you would blame Bush for it somehow.

Hell, if he had mobilized the military to evacuate before the storm, it would have been 'OMG BUSH IS TRAMPLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS HE IS DECLARE MARTIAL LAW!11!one'. If he had signed an emergency provision 2 days before the storm offering 5 billion for evacuation, it would have been 'BUSH IS DRIVING US FURTHAR INTO DEBT WTF'. If he had gone down there FIRST THING, it would have been 'OMG WTF BUSH IS STUPID FOR GOING DOWN THERE WITH ALL THE LOOTERS AND PEOPLE SHOOTING', or possibly just you wishing he would get shot or something.

The problem with all of this is that you think you have some sort of enlightened grasp on politics, when in reality you're just a big regurgitating gut-feeling mess.

[AznTraitor]

This is ridiculous. Politicians lie. Politicians make careers out of convincing people they care about their plights. Sometimes it is genuine, sometimes it is not, sometimes it is forced. They're politicians, so sometimes it's very hard to tell. Of course that picture is for votes (though I'm not sure what the votes could be for, since he can't be reelected president again). Just like any politicians photo-ops are for votes. Christ, you act like it's just Bush, or just republicans. This is why you are part of the problem.

But for you to jump on the bush-bash bandwagon and cry about how he's taking his sweet time going down there, to then jump on it again once he IS down there and trying to show some compassion (whether it exists or not, the fact is it doesn't matter, it's all about perception), shows me that no matter what happened, you would blame Bush for it somehow.

Hell, if he had mobilized the military to evacuate before the storm, it would have been 'OMG BUSH IS TRAMPLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS HE IS DECLARE MARTIAL LAW!11!one'. If he had signed an emergency provision 2 days before the storm offering 5 billion for evacuation, it would have been 'BUSH IS DRIVING US FURTHAR INTO DEBT WTF'. If he had gone down there FIRST THING, it would have been 'OMG WTF BUSH IS STUPID FOR GOING DOWN THERE WITH ALL THE LOOTERS AND PEOPLE SHOOTING', or possibly just you wishing he would get shot or something.

The problem with all of this is that you think you have some sort of enlightened grasp on politics, when in reality you're just a big regurgitating gut-feeling mess.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he dont.

[B16a2 Civic]

i swear, we need to bann him again, he does nothing productive on this board, no one likes him and...well he's just fuckin annoying, the same reasons he was banned the first time

[Brett]

he cant see why I come at him in all his posts

[AznTraitor]

he cant see why I come at him in all his posts

So let's do ourselves a favor and get rid of him, no need to answer him on why you come at him.

[B16a2 Civic]

Brett, you should have banned him for that disrespect he showed leisa....and all he does is say unproductive stupid shit in every thread...just like in that call out thread in the kills forum, he just pops up out of no where talkin about the tax cut for gas...

[B16a2 Civic]

honestly...ya'll think he went down there to show people his alligators tears?
appreantly he, like every other us citizen, is effected by this natural disaster, i mean i understand you hanving your stands against his political and war decisions...but to say he's putting up a front about he feels...thats below the belt

[Kristi]

just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

[AznTraitor]

just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

here we go.....

so let me get this straight...you honestly believe when Bush got into office he said "We dont need levy's, so let's cut the funding".

it's called the Senate, and the local govt.....they all had to have some voice in it, if they voiced againest it...then obviously there wouldve still been funding.

dumbest theory I have ever heard, you know those penguins in your signature...they died because bush caused global warming

[malfeas99]

just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

An interesting theory, however, and as I stated in this thread before:

1) You have no way of knowing how much money it would have actually taken to repair it.

2) You have no idea whether it was Bush who personally cut the budget. Congressional budgets are initially created by, you guessed it, Congress.

3) There are a hundred sob stories every DAY from organizations and people who didn't get enough of a handout from the federal government. The care of NO's levees should be state funded. Do you have information about how much money they recieved from the state for this pursuit? I imagine the cut was probably made to try and wean NO and LA off the federal teat and get them to pay for state infrastructure with state funds.

4) Most of this funding cut was set to take place in 2006. It is 2005 now.

5) Reinforcing the levees is not an 'insert coin, *poof* they're fixed' type of situation. It's a years-long effort. Even if they'd gotten every cent they'd wanted, it would have taken years.

My question to you would be, then, why don't these things occur to you on your own? Do you ever question the information you recieve? Analyze? Do research?

[Kristi]

An interesting theory, however, and as I stated in this thread before:

1) You have no way of knowing how much money it would have actually taken to repair it.

2) You have no idea whether it was Bush who personally cut the budget. Congressional budgets are initially created by, you guessed it, Congress.

3) There are a hundred sob stories every DAY from organizations and people who didn't get enough of a handout from the federal government. The care of NO's levees should be state funded. Do you have information about how much money they recieved from the state for this pursuit? I imagine the cut was probably made to try and wean NO and LA off the federal teat and get them to pay for state infrastructure with state funds.

4) Most of this funding cut was set to take place in 2006. It is 2005 now.

5) Reinforcing the levees is not an 'insert coin, *poof* they're fixed' type of situation. It's a years-long effort. Even if they'd gotten every cent they'd wanted, it would have taken years.

My question to you would be, then, why don't these things occur to you on your own? Do you ever question the information you recieve? Analyze? Do research?

It was to take years to fix the levee's - you are correct. The 'Council' heading up the replacement of these levees needed so many millions of dollars per year to get these fixed - they didn't get even half of what they were asking for this year. I also said the BUSH ADMINISTRATION (including Senate, etc.) cut the funding - I know it wasn't all Bush. It was the administration as a whole who cut the funding. The job and request for money was requested for a reason - because Louisana saw a problem and wanted to fix it. But since that funding was cut so drastically, the levees couldn't be repaired as needed.

[Brett]

It was the administration as a whole who cut the funding. The job and request for money was requested for a reason - because Louisana saw a problem and wanted to fix it. But since that funding was cut so drastically, the levees couldn't be repaired as needed.

And so the people who designed them in the 60's.... wasnt thier fault, and the fact from the start they knew it wasnt enough, but now Bush to you is liable for 40+ years of playing with fate? are you this fuckin stupid?

[malfeas99]

It was to take years to fix the levee's - you are correct. The 'Council' heading up the replacement of these levees needed so many millions of dollars per year to get these fixed - they didn't get even half of what they were asking for this year. I also said the BUSH ADMINISTRATION (including Senate, etc.) cut the funding - I know it wasn't all Bush. It was the administration as a whole who cut the funding. The job and request for money was requested for a reason - because Louisana saw a problem and wanted to fix it. But since that funding was cut so drastically, the levees couldn't be repaired as needed.

So they didn't get half of what they needed. Unfortunately there's no data that I know of that says how much it would have actually taken. These groups tend to request far more money than they need from the federal government for several reasons: They know they won't get it so they highball it, they want it for other pork projects, they're corrupt and want to line their pockets, etc.

As I said, care of the Levees should have been a state and city issue. It's not like the federal funds were the only source of money. They shouldn't have expected a single cent from the federal government, but they got millions.. just not as many millions as they wanted.

How does this make the federal government complicit in the disaster? It doesn't. There's a lot of holes in this story, and only people who have made up their minds about it already will accept it as legitimate 'proof' of anything.

[A.P. Photography]

It was to take years to fix the levee's - you are correct. The 'Council' heading up the replacement of these levees needed so many millions of dollars per year to get these fixed - they didn't get even half of what they were asking for this year. I also said the BUSH ADMINISTRATION (including Senate, etc.) cut the funding - I know it wasn't all Bush. It was the administration as a whole who cut the funding. The job and request for money was requested for a reason - because Louisana saw a problem and wanted to fix it. But since that funding was cut so drastically, the levees couldn't be repaired as needed.

The point is that no matter what they say now, it was too short of a time frame to repair the levee's before this happened. Even if they had started to rebuild them, yes they would have to do that in order to strengthen them, people would still be crying they did not do enough. If the levee's had been designed to withstand a Cat. 5 in the first place, this might not have been near as bad as it is now.

[Kristi]

The point is that no matter what they say now, it was too short of a time frame to repair the levee's before this happened. Even if they had started to rebuild them, yes they would have to do that in order to strengthen them, people would still be crying they did not do enough. If the levee's had been designed to withstand a Cat. 5 in the first place, this might not have been near as bad as it is now.

No one knows that if they had begun to be rebuilt if they would have held up better or not, but there is a chance that it might have and there wouldn't be such a problem now. The point is is that this administration had the opportunity to keep replacements going and they hindered the process and so now we won't ever know if they would have stopped anything or not. Experts say that even the slightest replacements could have helped some - and some is better than not at all. and you are probably right - even if they had been replaced - someone would still be bitching that it wasn't enough - but at least a step was taken.

[4dmin]

An interesting theory, however, and as I stated in this thread before:

1) You have no way of knowing how much money it would have actually taken to repair it.

2) You have no idea whether it was Bush who personally cut the budget. Congressional budgets are initially created by, you guessed it, Congress.

3) There are a hundred sob stories every DAY from organizations and people who didn't get enough of a handout from the federal government. The care of NO's levees should be state funded. Do you have information about how much money they recieved from the state for this pursuit? I imagine the cut was probably made to try and wean NO and LA off the federal teat and get them to pay for state infrastructure with state funds.

4) Most of this funding cut was set to take place in 2006. It is 2005 now.

5) Reinforcing the levees is not an 'insert coin, *poof* they're fixed' type of situation. It's a years-long effort. Even if they'd gotten every cent they'd wanted, it would have taken years.

My question to you would be, then, why don't these things occur to you on your own? Do you ever question the information you recieve? Analyze? Do research?

funding has been cut for the past 5-10 years on such projects... does bush, local/federal gov't have a part in this? yes. they had this shit on primetime last night as well. if the warning signs are there, and we know if a catagory 4 hits it will mean devestation, why would you cut funding to fix the situation? this situation is a gov't failure on all levels.

[malfeas99]

funding has been cut for the past 5-10 years on such projects... does bush, local/federal gov't have a part in this? yes. they had this shit on primetime last night as well. if the warning signs are there, and we know if a catagory 4 hits it will mean devestation, why would you cut funding to fix the situation? this situation is a gov't failure on all levels.

I'm sure in hindsight, it's very easy to say that. The fact is that NO has been playing russian roulette since it was founded. The original design of the levees was lacking. Why didn't you blame Louisiana and new orleans first for not making it a priority? It's a lot easier and more efficient for states to appropriate money than the fed. government.

Like I've said a dozen times, the responsibility for a city's infrastructure goes as follows:

1) City
2) State
3) Federal

But no, you went and blamed Bush directly. Cuz you hate him.

Good thinking!

[AznTraitor]

I'm sure in hindsight, it's very easy to say that. The fact is that NO has been playing russian roulette since it was founded. The original design of the levees was lacking. Why didn't you blame Louisiana and new orleans first for not making it a priority? It's a lot easier and more efficient for states to appropriate money than the fed. government.

Like I've said a dozen times, the responsibility for a city's infrastructure goes as follows:

1) City
2) State
3) Federal

But no, you went and blamed Bush directly. Cuz you hate him.

Good thinking!

EXACTLY, but I think Admin(Paul) already agrees with your infastructure....

[4dmin]

I'm sure in hindsight, it's very easy to say that. The fact is that NO has been playing russian roulette since it was founded. The original design of the levees was lacking. Why didn't you blame Louisiana and new orleans first for not making it a priority? It's a lot easier and more efficient for states to appropriate money than the fed. government.

Like I've said a dozen times, the responsibility for a city's infrastructure goes as follows:

1) City
2) State
3) Federal

But no, you went and blamed Bush directly. Cuz you hate him.

Good thinking!

WOW YOUR RIGHT I NEVER NAMED THE LOCAL/FEDERAL GOV'T JUST BUSH!!! :jerkit:

maybe next time i'll number them in order so you can read them.

Yes, I need a tampon. I have a vagina, and it is bleeding. And there's sand in it.

This may come as a surprise to some of you.

no not really

[Kristi]

funding has been cut for the past 5-10 years on such projects... does bush, local/federal gov't have a part in this? yes. they had this shit on primetime last night as well. if the warning signs are there, and we know if a catagory 4 hits it will mean devestation, why would you cut funding to fix the situation? this situation is a gov't failure on all levels.

i agree with you. good post.

[4dmin]

just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

They knew there was a problem with the levees years and years ago and they asked for funds to help replace/strengthen them. But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

thank you +10

I seriously doubt that if the man YOU voted for won the presidency, you would be so quick to criticize. Like I said, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

how do you know who i voted for? i didn't vote bush and most people on here know i don't like him anyway... i did vote kerry but that was only b/c i didn't have much of a choice. its not like green party/libertarian would of won. i simply vote against who i don't like.

so go right ahead and think i'm on bush-hating-bandwagon.... i fucking started it on here ask Brett/Jamie.

[malfeas99]

thank you +10

So you +10 it, yet it has already been addressed as being irrelevant at this juncture. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALALA.

how do you know who i voted for? i didn't vote bush and most people on here know i don't like him anyway... i did vote kerry but that was only b/c i didn't have much of a choice. its not like green party/libertarian would of won. i simply vote against who i don't like.

so go right ahead and think i'm on bush-hating-bandwagon.... i fucking started it on here ask Brett/Jamie.

Uh, I was going out on a limb there and assuming you didn't vote for Bush. And had Kerry won, you wouldn't have been nearly as quick to blame him for a bunch of extraneous crap like 'levee funding'. Or maybe you would, you've shown your grasp of the structure of state and federal governments to be tenuous at best.

I seriously doubt you started the bush-bashing bandwagon. Some of us think of things on terms larger than a website.

[Brett]

so go right ahead and think i'm on bush-hating-bandwagon.... i fucking started it on here ask Brett/Jamie.

Yes, me and Paul have had MANY debates on here in the past 4+ years on Bush topic, I always enjoy a good debate with people who research what they talk about, before posting it.

[Brett]

just saw this thread. and here are my thoughts.

But when Bush got in office - he cut that budget to replace and strengthen these levees to almost nothing. That money was needed for a purpose - to protect New Orleans. But the Bush Administration cut that funding - and now instead of it costing them several million dollars, its going to cost them billions in damages.

OMFG!! That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen!! So now again your going to say Bush is the reason in 40+ years they didnt take the levee issue serious and upgrade or even put the pumps on stands so if the city flooded the damn pumps wouldnt be on the ground in the flood waters? Kristi I have just lost respect for you in the brain department.

[technoteg97]

damn, Good post Kristi.

[AznTraitor]

damn, Good post Kristi.

omg. shut up.

[technoteg97]

omg. shut up.

I think you should shutup prick. and mind your own damn post and problems ass. I wasnt talking to you shit.

[B16a2 Civic]

damn, Good post Kristi.

you must have a crush on her.....i means its okay to agree with her...but about voice your opinion on why you believe this...

[malfeas99]

you must have a crush on her.....i means its okay to agree with her...but about voice your opinion on why you believe this...

He doesn't have his own opinion. It's just a mishmash of a few other people's opinions. This is why he is unable to cogently explain it.

[technoteg97]

dude Bush, didnt do anything with the whole Levy's what so ever..so what are you talking bout.

[A.P. Photography]

dude Bush, didnt do anything with the whole Levy's what so ever..so what are you talking bout.

Would you people please get off of the Bush/Levee connection. The levee's were desgined in the '60's to withstand a Cat. 3 hurricane because it was "cost effective". even if Bush had wanted to put more money into them there is no way it would have been done in time to prevent this. New Orleans was a poorly designed city from the get go. If you want someone to blame then go back to when the city was founded and blame them for a bad design or go back to the 60's and blame them.

[technoteg97]

Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.

[Brett]

Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.

So dumb fuck, how is that Bush's fault you fuckin moron?

[B16a2 Civic]

Yeah..The city itself The people who Designed everything and placed everything there for a city. since its below sea level..they shouldnt have started building there in the first place.

....almost there....
so it would have been better that they not build at all, leave that big pieve of land there and move on somewhere else....or let them build the city and risk a natural disaster wipe them out? oorrrr let them build teh city, build strong defensives toward natural disasters...the point is this is all in teh past...could've's would'ves and should'ves, im just saying...dont blame one person

[technoteg97]

i like the cock

[A.P. Photography]

Neg- Points for GA Teg and malfeas99 for actin like hard asses.

You haven't seen me act like a hard ass yet so don't even start