Happy that Obama is slipping in the polls?

[4dmin]

IF OBama was really the "call for change" and "do away with old politics" and so many people hate bush he should be DESTROYING Mccain in this election but he isnt.

Why is that?

1) He preaches change yet has demonstrated time and time again hes just as OLD POLITICS as anyone else

2) He has no substance

3) People are scared of a guy who has ZERO EXPERIENCE

4) Biden was about the WORST person he could have chosen. How can you preach old and tired politics suck then go out an get a 70 year old attatck dog VP running mate that is about as old washington as it gets.

5) I think you are starting to see people are very uncertain about what would happen if Obama got in.

At least with Mcain you KNOW you are going to have a similar 4 years as bush, similar policy, etc. With Obama no one has a CLUE what is going to happen. The future is uncertain, and to the CORE group of voters (lower to upper middle class white voters), they arent hearing what they want to hear.

Obama def can still win, but IMO if he didnt have a 15-20 point lead by now, then hes in trouble, and i think hes in BIG TROUBLE. If people are so tired of Bush and what Bush has been doing, then Obama should be WAY OUT IN FRONT and hes not.

I will have to agree to disagree w/ you on this Mike. I think the biggest difference between the two candidates is McCain plains on staying the course which if you haven't noticed isn't working for US. Our economy is in a sh!t can and a major change is needed quickly before you start to see this super power drop in world market.

Obama though can be said he is inexperience is the embodiment of America. Laugh if you like but I think he is fresh and exciting - I see him as the JFK of our generation. We currently have a president many voted into office 2x w/ tons of experience and he hasn't done jack ****. Obamas wife said it perfect last night, "THIS IS AN ELECTION OF DREAMS NOT FEARS".

I can't imagine what some people are thinking about wanting to endure another 4 years of Bush policy. Unfortunately I do think race is going to play a huge part in the next election. We'll see if minorities make it to the poles to support their canidate b/c we know the christian movement will be voting McCain. You can't expect the OLD and TIRED to vote anything else.

[Vteckidd]

but you do know the reason why our economy sucks is

1) The housing industry and crooked banks over lending (nothing to do with Bush) has tanked the economy. Its affecting every sector almost in the financial districts. Thousands defaulting on loans, banks going out of business, people cant buy homes now cant get loans for anything etc.

2) Oil Prices going up (you can argue its because we are in iraq, but the majority of analysts believe its because of Chinas increased demand)

3) Because of gas prices US Automakers are suffering (as they have been for years) because poeple arent buying SUVs they are going to foreign gas machines (Honda, Toyota, etc)

4) The only think i will blame Bush for is letting a ton of jobs go overseas. That along with illegal immigration is a serious threat to our infrastructure. Think about it jobs are going OVERSEAS leaving here, and the jobs left behind are being given to illegal aliens that dont pay taxes and mooch off our Healthcare system.

Other than that the economy is NOT BUSHs fault.

[4dmin]

but you do know the reason why our economy sucks is

1) The housing industry and crooked banks over lending (nothing to do with Bush) has tanked the economy. Its affecting every sector almost in the financial districts. Thousands defaulting on loans, banks going out of business, people cant buy homes now cant get loans for anything etc.

2) Oil Prices going up (you can argue its because we are in iraq, but the majority of analysts believe its because of Chinas increased demand)

3) Because of gas prices US Automakers are suffering (as they have been for years) because poeple arent buying SUVs they are going to foreign gas machines (Honda, Toyota, etc)

4) The only think i will blame Bush for is letting a ton of jobs go overseas. That along with illegal immigration is a serious threat to our infrastructure. Think about it jobs are going OVERSEAS leaving here, and the jobs left behind are being given to illegal aliens that dont pay taxes and mooch off our Healthcare system.

Other than that the economy is NOT BUSHs fault.

all of which are true but 700+ billion dollar war and a lack of white house support hasn't helped us one bit. i think Bush had an excellent opportunity to show why he was voted into office and it seems he has failed his voters and the rest of the country.

[Vteckidd]

all of which are true but 700+ billion dollar war and a lack of white house support hasn't helped us one bit. i think Bush had an excellent opportunity to show why he was voted into office and it seems he has failed his voters and the rest of the country.

Oh yeah, i forgot about that Iraq Thing

Yes it does hurt spending that kind of money ,and i will agree i think it is at a loss to our country.

But i do think that the money was being spent some other way, i cant recall how, i remember seeing a thing on CNN about how people were complaining about the 15Billion a month we spend in Iraq, and someone posted a thing saying how before the war we were spending it on bull**** pork programs for congress .

ill see if i can find it

Again im not saying bush is the best president ever, but i do think Mcain can do a better job than Obama, i think Mcain knows what his role is and that is a 4 year calm **** down and get ready to groom the next president in 2012.

Funny thing is that last week they announced they are close to a withdrawal date for Iraq lol

[AirMax95]

all of which are true but 700+ billion dollar war and a lack of white house support hasn't helped us one bit. i think Bush had an excellent opportunity to show why he was voted into office and it seems he has failed his voters and the rest of the country.

GP!!!! Our economy is sucking and he wants to pump more $$$ into the war. He is a president with a personal agenda, not a president of the people. Sure, he gave a stimulus check and is helping the housing market fix a screw up......

Not gonna cut it.

[Total_Blender]

Other than that the economy is NOT BUSHs fault.

1.) tax cuts for the rich (working class who spend most of their income have largest portion of tax burden)

2.) expensive, un-necassary war

3.) massive foreign debt (to pay for un-necessary war)

4.) de-regulation of energy market causing rampant speculation of fuel prices (all fuels, not just gas)

[Vteckidd]

1.) tax cuts for the rich (working class who spend most of their income have largest portion of tax burden)

Im sorry but the Wealthy are what keep the economy going not joe schmoe . The wealthy should get Tax Breaks, to keep them invested in our economy and our infrastructure.

But the middle class get a great deal if they have kids, whats it like $3000 per kid per year now?

Proportionally the Rich have alot of taxes taken out.

My father makes over 300K a year, an last year he paid $82,000 in taxes. Its to the point now that if he gets another raise, its almost not worth it cause he will jump into another tax bracket and even more will be taken out.

[4dmin]

Im sorry but the Wealthy are what keep the economy going not joe schmoe . The wealthy should get Tax Breaks, to keep them invested in our economy and our infrastructure.

But the middle class get a great deal if they have kids, whats it like $3000 per kid per year now?

Proportionally the Rich have alot of taxes taken out.

My father makes over 300K a year, an last year he paid $82,000 in taxes. Its to the point now that if he gets another raise, its almost not worth it cause he will jump into another tax bracket and even more will be taken out.

but your father is pushing up into the top 5% bracket which makes over 250k which pays the most taxes b/c they make the most, but again they are tons of tax breaks once you are up into that market. how many CEO drive FREE cars or live in FREE houses due to corp America tax system? so in the end the guy making 1 mil a year isn't having to live off of 1 mil salary more like 1/2 that.

no look at the majority of America who is making well under 100k why would they care about a guy making 300k which is almost 8x national family income. it will always come back to misuse of tax dollars. do you know how much healthcare, food, energy, 700+ billion dollars buys? with the money spent on the war we could of not had 1 person in the US go hungry or w/o heat.

[EJ25RUN]

i like how people keep calling it an unnecessary war.

[4dmin]

i like how people keep calling it an unnecessary war.

um Iraq was totally unnecessary. we went to war w/ a country b/c of lies there was no connection between 911 and Iraq. that's why the story changed numerous times WMD, to help free people of Iraq, etc. we as a whole are no better off now as we were when Saddam was in power.

i love people who try to justify bush's war to turn an eye from the US's current situation.

[Total_Blender]

i like how people keep calling it an unnecessary war.

Perhaps I should clarify... it was unnecessary when we started it in 2003. Saddam Hussein posed neither a long term nor a short term threat to our national security. Afghanistan, yes.... Iraq... not so much.

Either way we owe our buddies in China who are financing this fiasco a boat-load of money.

[Alan®]

Im sorry but the Wealthy are what keep the economy going not joe schmoe . The wealthy should get Tax Breaks, to keep them invested in our economy and our infrastructure.

But the middle class get a great deal if they have kids, whats it like $3000 per kid per year now?

Proportionally the Rich have alot of taxes taken out.

My father makes over 300K a year, an last year he paid $82,000 in taxes. Its to the point now that if he gets another raise, its almost not worth it cause he will jump into another tax bracket and even more will be taken out.

Thank you lord I'm so glad someone finally see's what I have been talking about all along. Reps to you my good sir.

[tony]

Thank you lord I'm so glad someone finally see's what I have been talking about all along. Reps to you my good sir.

If the economy can't run without the rich but the rich get wealthy on the back of Joe Schmoe who really has control?

Trust me.. nobody gets wealthy on their own in this country. Please don't act like the wealthy are the lifeline to the economy because this nation would surely survive with a strong middle class.. it cannot thrive on a few rich people.

[Vteckidd]

Trust me.. nobody gets wealthy on their own in this country. Please don't act like the wealthy are the lifeline to the economy because this nation would surely survive with a strong middle class.. it cannot thrive on a few rich people.

You just made an EXCELLENT point without knowing it.

So if the "now rich" made it on their own, did well for themselves, built a business etc, now you think we should tax the **** out of them and give it back to Joe Schmoe?

Im sorry i totally disagree with that. Im all for tax cuts to true middle class families WITHIN REASON that are trying to put food on the table etc. But the Dems approach of just gutting the wealthy is LUDICROUS.

They SPEND THE MOST MONEY, THEY SHOULD GET TO KEEP THE MOST. Its a really simple concept.

What you aare describing is a communist society where everyone is middle class.

Look how great that worked out

[Alan®]

If the economy can't run without the rich but the rich get wealthy on the back of Joe Schmoe who really has control?

Trust me.. nobody gets wealthy on their own in this country. Please don't act like the wealthy are the lifeline to the economy because this nation would surely survive with a strong middle class.. it cannot thrive on a few rich people.

Nobody get's wealthy on their own? Ok My dad's parents didn't have the kind of money it took to send him to a good school so he busted ass got into west point served 10 years acitive duty, 5 years reserve, Got out went to Georgia Tech, Worked his way up the corporate ladder than got everything pulled out from underneath him at once. He lost his job shortly after 9/11 and was going through a divorce with my mom. So what did he do? Started his own company and now makes a **** ton of money every year.