The REAL Barack Obama. The one the media NEVER shows!

[BobbyFresco]

I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....

[DinanM3atl]

I don't not like the guy but he is a democrat so guilty by association!

roflmao

Sorry.

[BobbyFresco]

I don't not like the guy but he is a democrat so guilty by association!

roflmao

Sorry.

LOL...I was refering to ppl that really DO have issue with him being black, but just not having the sac to say it......

[Vteckidd]

I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.

[BobbyFresco]

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.

I've never had an issue with you until now so yea, anyway.....


I would however like for you to address the rather large post that I directed towards you on page 8.

[Vteckidd]

i got some things to do ill look at it tonight

[DinanM3atl]

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.

Are you going to reply to anything that was posted towards you?

[JITB]

Are you going to reply to anything that was posted towards you?

no he wont.

[MistaCee]

no he wont.

exactly. If anything he'll delete posts saying " I want to keep the thread positive." Lirl

[Vteckidd]

im out running errands i cant type a book on my phone

[Lucky DAWG]

Muslims are not the problem, radical muslims who twist their holy book into brain washing normal muslims is.

Conservative American ideals are not the problem, they are to be embraced... what is wrong with pride in where you come from... every country having its own history and being different is something special that makes the world interesting.

Socialist Marxist views seek to destroy that and make the government control every aspect of your life.

The government should be there to protect you, that is all. Fair Tax is what we need right now to help us and we need to get rid of all of these new social programs.

The only way to stop the gap between the races is stop affirmitave action and make everyone on the same page so that we will actually be EQUAL.

[Lucky DAWG]

]I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....[/b]


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....

You are the entire reason he is going to lose.
because you make it into a race reason by calling out the race card.



I honestly am not racist, but i can not STAND when black people pull this one, get over yourself... i don't give two ****s if you're black, but i do give two ****s that you try and put the blame on that you're black if i just simply don't like what you have to say.

[BobbyFresco]

Muslims are not the problem, radical muslims who twist their holy book into brain washing normal muslims is.

Conservative American ideals are not the problem, they are to be embraced... what is wrong with pride in where you come from... every country having its own history and being different is something special that makes the world interesting.

Socialist Marxist views seek to destroy that and make the government control every aspect of your life.

The government should be there to protect you, that is all. Fair Tax is what we need right now to help us and we need to get rid of all of these new social programs.

The only way to stop the gap between the races is stop affirmitave action and make everyone on the same page so that we will actually be EQUAL.

You keep making mention of affirmative action like A. It only "benefits" BLACK people, B. Like it has affected you personally, you being a white male I'm assuming, and C. that affirmative action actually matters in today's society...


and for all the people that believe we live in a totally enlightened, equality for all America, you should live one day of your life as a Black, Mexican, Middle Eastern, or any person of color and you may change your opinion on something you know nothing about....

[Lucky DAWG]

I'm going to go back to race not being as much of an issue anymore. It's slowly transitioning to educated vs. uneducated issue across all races.

I look as cracker as they come, but growing up in Kentucky in the 80's in a multiracial family, I can tell you discrimination still occurs, but I can also tell you it's not as bad as it used to be.

My thoughts are I'd rather have a president that sits in office for 8 years and accomplishes nothing than one that tries to mold parts of the world into his image with the force of the military, especially because that military is made up of people I served with once upon a time.

Ask your self if you're any safer now than you were 8 years ago? Then ask yourself if it was worth the decline in the value of our currency, decline of international view of our country, lives lost, endless amounts of wasted tax dollars.

If you want to continue looking at the small picture of race and party lines go right ahead, but any person with a masters degree in international relations is who we need in office right now. Even if it's awkward because of a lack of experience, or plan, the approach and vision of anything that is not the same old thing can go a long way.

So what if he wants to talk to "axis of evil" leaders, if that's what those leaders little egos need to placate them so be it, if it's a larger issue then a face to face will give him a much clearer picture than some analyst spouting off the oh so dead on accurate threat assessments compiled by our flawless intelligence agencies.

I'd love to see a "******" and a "*****" in the Whitehouse in a capacity other than ancillary role, not only because they're more than qualified, but because it'd make so many people roll around on the floor and throw temper tantrums. I think it'd finally polarize a good portion of the country, that, and I'd love to hear Neal Bortz suffer a fatal stroke on air.

and this is a good thing to you?
your rant had a few good points until you lost it at the end

[BobbyFresco]

You are the entire reason he is going to lose.
because you make it into a race reason by calling out the race card.



I honestly am not racist, but i can not STAND when black people pull this one, get over yourself... i don't give two ****s if you're black, but i do give two ****s that you try and put the blame on that you're black if i just simply don't like what you have to say.

Who's pulling a "race card" here?


LMFAO.....and furthermore, I have yet to understand what this race card is and who coined that completely and utterly asinine phrase....


I made my assertion based on what was presented in the thread, not on some I'm BLACK so therefore I'M A VICTIM SHYT....


What really needs to happen is that people need to stop pretending they know what it's like to be ANY PERSON OF COLOR before you throw in some silly insinuation about playing the so called " race card"...


oh.... and why is it that YOU people seem to have to add a disclaimer that you're not racist when you make your generalties about what it's like being BLACK even though YOU ARE WHITE....?

[Lucky DAWG]

You keep making mention of affirmative action like A. It only "benefits" BLACK people, B. Like it has affected you personally, you being a white male I'm assuming, and C. that affirmative action actually matters in today's society...


and for all the people that believe we live in a totally enlightened, equality for all America, you should live one day of your life as a Black, Mexican, Middle Eastern, or any person of color and you may change your opinion on something you know nothing about....

well when a black student gets into college before i do who is clearly less qualified even though i come from a family of poor alabama farmers and my mom left ireland on her own at age 17..... i think i know.

my parents gave a lot for me to go to a private school and i grew up around kids who had a lot more money then me.

And when i have friends who got into schools i didn't even though we had the same grades and i had a better SAT score... yea i think i know about that.


I have worked jobs as the only white guy, and yea i got harassed. I worked in a predominately black neighberhood tennis center when i was 16, black kids came in there and demanded free courts and balls to play with, robbed a co worker at gun point and so forth.

and at the end of the day i'm not even racist. Most of the people i hang out with at school are in fraternities and come from rich white backgrounds who make jokes on black people multiple times a day.

and i'm not racist

So in short, i think you should shut your damn mouth before you think you know where i'm coming from. You act as if the white man has some kind of divine plan to put you down.

I know plenty of hispanics and black people who are equally racist if not more. And do i pull the race card because i'm white?

A ) no because i don't care, i dont expect pity for my race
B ) no because i would have 20 people down my throat if i said anything about being white.



and yet again... at the end of the day i'm not racist.


stop playing up race so much, i don't give two ****s if Obama is black, his policies are complete garbage.

[Lucky DAWG]

Who's pulling a "race card" here?


LMFAO.....and furthermore, I have yet to understand what this race card is and who coined that completely and utterly asinine phrase....


I made my assertion based on what was presented in the thread, not on some I'm BLACK so therefore I'M A VICTIM SHYT....


What really needs to happen is that people need to stop pretending they know what it's like to be ANY PERSON OF COLOR before you throw in some silly insinuation about playing the so called " race card"...


oh.... and why is it that YOU people seem to have to add a disclaimer that you're not racist when you make your generalties about what it's like being BLACK even though YOU ARE WHITE....?

you make the same generalizations about white people, don't be ignorant.


and weren't you the one that said people don't want Obama cause he is black... i think thats the race card has blatently presented as possible

[BobbyFresco]

you make the same generalizations about white people, don't be ignorant.


and weren't you the one that said people don't want Obama cause he is black... i think thats the race card has blatently presented as possible

You should go back and read what I posted again but I will clarify seeing as how it may have confused you.....


I simply stated that IF a person's reasons for not wanting Obama running for president is because he is black, then I would have more respect for them if they simply stated that as opposed to making up irrelevant excuses....

[Frög]

I did a lot of research on this last night.. I came home, around 5am and couldn't sleep until 10..

All I have to say about the op is: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lucky DAWG]

You should go back and read what I posted again but I will clarify seeing as how it may have confused you.....


I simply stated that IF a person's reasons for not wanting Obama running for president is because he is black, then I would have more respect for them if they simply stated that as opposed to making up irrelevant excuses....

i can read, thats not the problem...

if irrelevant excuses you mean no experience, fanatic ideas, clearly a racist point of view from his upbringing and church, and the fact his social programs are not realistic... then yes... you have no respect for me and nor do i want it.


I'm not hanging on McCain's nuts by any means, i don't like him either he has plenty of flaws.



But you are completely idolizing Obama when there are clearly so many obviously wrong things about him, i have no idea how someone can not understand how vastly dangerous someone like this is to a country.

[BobbyFresco]

well when a black student gets into college before i do who is clearly less qualified even though i come from a family of poor alabama farmers and my mom left ireland on her own at age 17..... i think i know.

my parents gave a lot for me to go to a private school and i grew up around kids who had a lot more money then me.

And when i have friends who got into schools i didn't even though we had the same grades and i had a better SAT score... yea i think i know about that.


I have worked jobs as the only white guy, and yea i got harassed. I worked in a predominately black neighberhood tennis center when i was 16, black kids came in there and demanded free courts and balls to play with, robbed a co worker at gun point and so forth.

and at the end of the day i'm not even racist. Most of the people i hang out with at school are in fraternities and come from rich white backgrounds who make jokes on black people multiple times a day.

and i'm not racist

So in short, i think you should shut your damn mouth before you think you know where i'm coming from. You act as if the white man has some kind of divine plan to put you down.

I know plenty of hispanics and black people who are equally racist if not more. And do i pull the race card because i'm white?

A ) no because i don't care, i dont expect pity for my race
B ) no because i would have 20 people down my throat if i said anything about being white.



and yet again... at the end of the day i'm not racist.


stop playing up race so much, i don't give two ****s if Obama is black, his policies are complete garbage.

I don't pretend to know ANYTHING about you but your posts reek of what I'd like to call ANGRY WHITE MAN SYNDROME... YOU keep talking about how BLACK people place themselves in the role of a victim at the hands of the WHITE MAN but aren't you doing the same thing by blaming affirmative action and in effect BLACK PPL for your inability to get into a certain college or univeristy.....Do YOU have any credible evidence to support that you were denied admission solely because of the fact that you're WHITE?


and secondly, I feel for you and all the negative experiences that you may have had but that shouldn't lend to you making assumptions and categorizing one group of people as the same....


and where in my posts have I personally said that the WHITE MAN HAS KEPT ME DOWN?

I GOT INTO SCHOOL ON MY OWN MERIT BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY, GOT MY MASTER'S AND MY JOB BASED ON MY HARD WORK AND NOT ON SOME SUPPOSED HAND OUT THAT YOU KEEP BYTCHING ABOUT......

SO YEA, WHO'S TRYING TO TYPECAST WHOM AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING FACTS?

[BobbyFresco]

i can read, thats not the problem...

if irrelevant excuses you mean no experience, fanatic ideas, clearly a racist point of view from his upbringing and church, and the fact his social programs are not realistic... then yes... you have no respect for me and nor do i want it.


I'm not hanging on McCain's nuts by any means, i don't like him either he has plenty of flaws.



But you are completely idolizing Obama when there are clearly so many obviously wrong things about him, i have no idea how someone can not understand how vastly dangerous someone like this is to a country.

I came into the discussion solely to add my opinion and knowledge on the issues of race that were made in this thread....At no point and time have I made any proclamations that I am an Obama supporter of any kind....Truth be told, I'm not that excited about the upcoming elections.....

[Lucky DAWG]

I don't pretend to know ANYTHING about you but your posts reek of what I'd like to call ANGRY WHITE MAN SYNDROME... YOU keep talking about how BLACK people place themselves in the role of a victim at the hands of the WHITE MAN but aren't you doing the same thing by blaming affirmative action and in effect BLACK PPL for your inability to get into a certain college or univeristy.....Do YOU have any credible evidence to support that you were denied admission solely because of the fact that you're WHITE?


and secondly, I feel for you and all the negative experiences that you may have had but that shouldn't lend to you making assumptions and categorizing one group of people as the same....


and where in my posts have I personally said that the WHITE MAN HAS KEPT ME DOWN?

I GOT INTO SCHOOL ON MY OWN MERIT BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY, GOT MY MASTER'S AND MY JOB BASED ON MY HARD WORK AND NOT ON SOME SUPPOSED HAND OUT THAT YOU KEEP BYTCHING ABOUT......

SO YEA, WHO'S TRYING TO TYPECAST WHOM AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING FACTS?

so you support affirmitave action? i think you jumped around that with your aimless speech



and no its not black people's fault... mostly white people put the law into action.... its the laws fault, its outdated. If a black guy is more qualified then me power to him, I think working hard is to be rewarded.

[Lucky DAWG]

[QUOTE=StuntallDay]I came into the discussion solely to add my opinion and knowledge on the issues of race that were made in this thread....At no point and time have I made any proclamations that I am an Obama supporter of any kind....Truth be told, I'm not that excited about the upcoming elections.....[/QUOTE]


I agree.
Mitt Romney with huckabee as vice president would have been a great ticket.



I'm glad Obama won though because the democrats have effectively shot themselves in the foot again, Hillary stood a pretty good chance at winning since she isn't so radical and McCain is a weak candidate too.




Hillary atleast makes sense, not that i would vote for her either.

[BobbyFresco]

so you support affirmitave action? i think you jumped around that with your aimless speech

Was it really aimless as you call it or did you run of of steam and decided it was just better to give up?


Anyway, to answer your question I believe that affirmative action doesn't play a substantial role in today's society....Keep in mind, I said that was MY belief....

However, do I support it? NO

I think ALL PEOPLE ( READ BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, MALE FEMALE, ETC) need to learn to be competitive and work for what you want and not have anything handed to you...

[Lucky DAWG]

Was it really aimless as you call it or did you run of of steam and decided it was just better to give up?


Anyway, to answer your question I believe that affirmative action doesn't play a substantial role in today's society....Keep in mind, I said that was MY belief....

However, do I support it? NO

I think ALL PEOPLE ( READ BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, MALE FEMALE, ETC) need to learn to be competetive and work for what you want and not have anything handed to you...

i'm glad we can agree on that.
so whats the point of having it around then if thats the case?

[BobbyFresco]

i'm glad we can agree on that.
so whats the point of having it around then if thats the case?

I'm sure it's kept around to give society a false sense of "equality" .


Edit: I'd also like to add that in today's society, it is MY belief that WHITE and BLACK WOMEN benefit from affirmative action more than any other group of people.

[Lucky DAWG]

I'm sure it's kept around to give society a false sense of "equality" .

equality would be quite the opposite.

[Big J]

and this is a good thing to you?
your rant had a few good points until you lost it at the end

It easily polarizes the people that enter this thread........ once people pick sides it'll be easier for them to see there are larger issues at hand, and a larger majority that leaves race and partisan politics out of it all together. Yes, I think it would be a good thing for people to see the sides and realize there is a greater common good and goal that is unachievable when people sit back and pick at the petty irrelevant issues.

[Lucky DAWG]

It easily polarizes the people that enter this thread........ once people pick sides it'll be easier for them to see there are larger issues at hand, and a larger majority that leaves race and partisan politics out of it all together. Yes, I think it would be a good thing for people to see the sides and realize there is a greater common good and goal that is unachievable when people sit back and pick at the petty irrelevant issues.

i wish that was true.
but i feel more animosity in this country in the past year then in the past decade.


hopefully that kind of world could exist though

[Big J]

i wish that was true.
but i feel more animosity in this country in the past year then in the past decade.


hopefully that kind of world could exist though

Hopefully something new, and less of the same could be a small start. Sometimes change is good, businesses restructure all the time when something doesn't work or doesn't work well. A lot of time it's just to give the appearance of giving a ****, but the "stock holders" are voicing this call for change, they give a **** this time around. Even if the sides are divided, the high voter turn out alone is something to be celebrated, it shows (some) people still care and that more realize what is at stake.

[Lucky DAWG]

Hopefully something new, and less of the same could be a small start. Sometimes change is good, businesses restructure all the time when something doesn't work or doesn't work well. A lot of time it's just to give the appearance of giving a ****, but the "stock holders" are voicing this call for change, they give a **** this time around. Even if the sides are divided, the high voter turn out alone is something to be celebrated, it shows (some) people still care and that more realize what is at stake.

a lot of the people who are turning out for Obama though are young people who have little political expereince or life experience for that matter.

I'm not saying everyone is like that who supports Obama, but i bet 10% of people over the age of 50 vote for him, and that is the biggest demographic for voting.

I agree that change can sometimes be good, but not in this case to me. I have not felt more opposition to a political candidate in years as i have for Obama...


I just have a really really really bad feeling about him. And i understand most people on here won't see eye to eye with me. I am a staunch conservative and the overwhelming majority of users on this site are liberal, i'm preaching to the wrong choir... politics is something hard to change people's minds on and usually just results in arguments... (see above ^^^ )

[AirMax95]

I read the last 3 pages from where I posted last.

I feel that this thread is turning out pretty well. It seems that there is a lot of agreement and understanding across the board.

SUMMARY OF MY OWN:

When choosing a candidate, learn the facts, not the hype.

Kill the color/race virus.

Do not assume what you clearly do not know. It is easy to assume, but even easier to listen and learn. The challenge is educating yourself

Ending an argument by calling others stupid, ignorant, idiotic will leave you looking like an uneducated loser.......LOOKING LIKE!

Every race has their "not so good" individuals. To place a generalization on the race may give you the perception of being closed minded, racist, or a bigot.

Dislike a person because of what they do, not because of what they look like.

And finally..........do not attempt to be an e-thug or key board bad ass

[JR VQ 30 de]

OBAMA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MistaCee]

I'm glad Obama won though because the democrats have effectively shot themselves in the foot again, Hillary stood a pretty good chance at winning since she isn't so radical

Isn't so radical? Obama and Hillary have almost identical polices.

[Lucky DAWG]

Isn't so radical? Obama and Hillary have almost identical polices.

their characters, Hillary is not as radical at all in the big picture

[blaknoize]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

I think that speaks well, LOL

Obama is a good speaker, thats it, and a good accuser.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

That was an ignorant post. Considerin I actually work with a Muslim, but also my post is ignorant, cuz I cant speak on it lol.

OBAMA 08

Let tha man run his race geez. If u didnt vote u didnt vote. I voted cuz I have faith in him, this video is just on his name and where he was. It has nothing to do with him.

But this is the end of an error so let it go. If a half anything runs the country then it will no longer be white America. Let the man be.

[2turbo4u]

I want to know if anyone heard the real sermon that Rev. Wright gave, not the taken out of context on H &C keep feeding you?

[BanginJimmy]

I want to know if anyone heard the real sermon that Rev. Wright gave, not the taken out of context on H &C keep feeding you?

Would that be the god damn American sermon?
or the US Govt made AIDS to kill black people sermon?
or 1 of the several other sermons that went along the same lines?

[Total_Blender]

One thing about a president is that when you pick one you are also picking their advisors and people behind the scenes.

Hillary Clinton had James Carville on this campaign and it was James Carville who was a big part of Bill's success. Carville has published a handfull of books and has worked with other democratic candidates. Carville has given his endorsement to Obama.

Most of Obama's advisors have worked with former senate minority leader Tom Daschle, who has endorsed Obama. One of his main advisors, David Axlerod is a political writer for the Chicago Tribune so I'm sure there is info about him.


McCain's advisors:

Robert Mosbacher: Oil man and Bush loyalist (cheif fundraiser Bush Sr.'s '92 campaign)

Phill Gramm: former Democrat who revealed Democratic strategy to Republicans druing Reagan's first term. Stripped of his power by the DNC he ran as a republican in his second term. Former lobbyist for the banking industry.

Tom Loeffler: Lobbyist for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia