Who's the biggest Villain Sadam or Bush?

damn, that little kid need to come play for Georgia Tech,fucker's fast

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Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900

Exactly.

The problem is we won't get it because the rest of the world is scared to act rather than react.

Is like that 800 lb Gorilla in the room. Everybody sees it, everybody is scared of it, but NOONE will step up and handle it so they think it will just go away on it's own if you ignore it long enough. That's the U.N.'s idealogy about it. "Just give them more time, they'll figure out we don't like that by the scowl on our faces"..... :rolleyes:

Again, if a law has no teeth and the police have no power, what is keeping everything in check? Nothing.

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agreed..UN is all talk,they always have been and always will be...im glad to live in a country thats not scared to step up,when they see something thats not right

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Originally Posted by HypnoToad

damn, that little kid need to come play for Georgia Tech,fucker's fast

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:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: he looks like some :diespam: that just runs across the screen.

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Originally Posted by Atlanta_521

The price of those dead soldiers is uncomparable to what that country will ever become. They fought and died for freedom. Today more American soldiers will die and tommorow aswell. That country will never see freedom because of the fucking terrorists, and beleive me we're breeding more by just being there. Take a look at this. Tell me that kid won't grow up hating what America was doing over there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I

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I won't even look at that video, but I bet I can tell you what it is.

One question though, why won't you answer the questions that are asked of you instead of continuing to have diarrhea of the mouth? You can't, right? Then really you should just :stfu: .

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Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900

I won't even look at that video, but I bet I can tell you what it is.

One question though, why won't you answer the questions that are asked of you instead of continuing to have diarrhea of the mouth? You can't, right? Then really you should just :stfu: .

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We're in deep shit. That's my answer, think what you will of me because I could care less. Atleast I'm partaking in a conversation about something most teens would fall asleep to.

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Originally Posted by Atlanta_521

We're in deep shit. That's my answer, think what you will of me because I could care less. Atleast I'm partaking in a conversation about something most teens would fall asleep to.

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No you're not. You're a joke. Just like most teens, you're just spouting off at the mouth to hear yourself talk. A debate is not regurgitating what your parents or teachers tell you and then not being able to defend it past, "I'm rubber, you're glue...what you say bounces off me and sticks to you..." :rolleyes:

You have shown zero intelligence and if you're representative of our "teens" in action.....we're a hellva lot more doomed than Iraq ever was. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900

No you're not. You're a joke. Just like most teens, you're just spouting off at the mouth to hear yourself talk. A debate is not regurgitating what your parents or teachers tell you and then not being able to defend it past, "I'm rubber, you're glue...what you say bounces off me and sticks to you..." :rolleyes:

You have shown zero intelligence and if you're representative of our "teens" in action.....we're a hellva lot more doomed than Iraq ever was. :rolleyes:

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lol,im a teen

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Originally Posted by HypnoToad

lol,im a teen

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That's why I said "if", because I'm holding out hope that not all young people are as lost as he is..... ;) :D

lol,well u better hope,cause theirs alot of dumbasses out there

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Originally Posted by HypnoToad

lol,well u better hope,cause theirs alot of dumbasses out there

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you aint never lying.

Bush is perhaps the worst president in the history of the US. But I will say one thing- I am damn thankful I am in a country that I have the freedom to say that

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Originally Posted by tony

Unfortunately republicans do not have a candidate strong enough to beat the democrats so a pullout is inevitable. The only one I like out of all of them is Mitt Romney anyway..

I believed Obama could beat Hillary but its not going to happen, did anyone see the debate? She says WE now.. as in her and Bill like they split the presidency. "WE balanced the budget" I'm sitting there like what the hell?

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She will fuck up this country if given the chance.

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Originally Posted by tony

Back on topic, pulling out of Iraq is a double edged sword and be careful what you ask for because the problem will manifest when we leave. What we need is support from other nations to keep the middle east in check.

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Exactly. Some think that once you remove Saddam from power, that the job is done. You can't just leave, or the country will fall into the wrong hands. The leaders must keep the country on its feet and the UN must help keep things calm. That is not the US's job alone.

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Originally Posted by richw131

She will fuck up this country if given the chance.



Exactly. Some think that once you remove Saddam from power, that the job is done. You can't just leave, or the country will fall into the wrong hands. The leaders must keep the country on its feet and the UN must help keep things calm. That is not the US's job alone.

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exactly, we have to help set up the country so their will never be another dictator in Iraq

Well Sadam Is Dead Now...So That Would Make Bush It.....

Funny how most of the people in this thread do not know enough of US or world history to understand what they THINK they are debating.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Funny how most of the people in this thread do not know enough of US or world history to understand what they THINK they are debating.

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+1000 if I could. :goodjob:

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

We are not the world police,we have our own problems that need to be handled here.

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"AMEEEEERICAAAA!! FUCK YEAH! WE'ER OFF TO SAVE THE MUTHA FUCKIN DAY YEAH!!!"

-team america


reps to SOME ppl...

Funny, but reading thru some of the news yesterday.....I found THIS.....some of you guys are so sadly misinformed it's unbelievable. I want to know what some of you who have to say now.... :rolleyes:

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U.N. Supports U.S Troops Staying in Iraq
Published: 6/14/07, 3:25 AM EDT
By EDITH M. LEDERER
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The U.N. Security Council agreed Wednesday to an Iraqi request to extend the mandate of the U.S.-led multinational force after the country's foreign minister said the troops were "vitally necessary."

The council also strongly condemned the bombing of Samarra's revered Shiite shrine and urged all countries, especially those in the region, to support Iraq in its pursuit of peace.

Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told the council members that despite the senseless violence "the government has made tremendous strides toward the day when security will be provided by a self-sufficient, Iraqi national security force."

"While Iraqis will always be grateful for their liberation from an absolute despot, no Iraqi government official - indeed, no Iraqi citizen - wants the presence of foreign troops on Iraqi soil one day longer than is vitally necessary," he said.

"But today, and for the foreseeable months at least, the presence of (multinational) troops is vitally necessary not only for Iraq but also to safeguard regional security and stability," Zebari said.

Last year the Security Council extended the force's mandate for a year starting Dec. 31, but authorized a review of the mandate by June 15.

Russia supported the extension of the multinational force's mandate but said the council must "signify the deadlines" of the foreign military presence in Iraq, which its ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, called a "serious irritant for many Iraqis."

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said Iraqi security forces are undertaking a greater role, assuming main responsibility for security in seven provinces and taking the lead in operations to combat insurgents and militias.

But, he said, Iraq's success in promoting stability and consolidating its "young democracy" will depend not only on progress in the security sector but on advances in the economic field "and most importantly movement in the political arena."

Khalilzad said Iraqi security forces are critical to the push to pacify Baghdad. Since the U.S.-Iraqi operation began in February, Khalilzad said attacks against civilians and sectarian murders in the city have decreased while attacks against coalition forces and high-profile terrorist attacks are still frequent.

Taking a bleaker view of the Baghdad operation, Ashraf Qazi, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq, said that "progress has been slower and more uncertain than had been hoped for ..."

"Iraq is today faced with an exceptionally complex series of overlapping sectarian, political and ethnic conflicts that are beyond the capacity of any one actor or policy to resolve," he said. "This situation has contributed to a deepening sense of insecurity and pessimism among many Iraqis."

Both Qazi and Khalilzad said progress on national reconciliation is essential. While acknowledging that constructive discussions would be "very difficult" in the current environment, Qazi suggested the United Nations should play a bigger role in this area.

The United Nations has the "potential" to assist and develop national dialogue, regional cooperation on Iraq, and international support, Qazi said.

Russia's Churkin said that without international assistance for the political process, leaders of Iraq's different groups would not be able to overcome "the inertia" of mistrust.

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Now even the U.N., the world's biggest sissies, are saying that we shouldn't just "pull out". What are the Democrat sissies gonna hold on to now??? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Steveo

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

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:bowdown::lmfao::lmfao:

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Originally Posted by Atlanta_521

Just a second now... Exactly what are you advocating here?
Have you ever wondered "what if" we talked and reasoned with these terrorist and fond out what the fuck they want. I'm pretty sure with the whole world watching they wouldn't say "we want America to die, dissapear, etc.. but then again who negotiates with terrorists? That's where we fuck up, what the hell do they want? Do they really just want to blow the U.S. to bits and peices? I don't think they'd say the same shit if we were to negotiate with them.

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:lmfao:And to think, you will soon be old enough to vote.:(

somebody ban the person that started this poll. :2cents:

that nigga bush

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Funny how most of the people in this thread do not know enough of US or world history to understand what they THINK they are debating.

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Fucking ding!

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Originally Posted by jdmjames

Bush is perhaps the worst president in the history of the US. But I will say one thing- I am damn thankful I am in a country that I have the freedom to say that

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Are you serious? I guess Clinton was an amazing president...:no:

You do not know the report card of a president while he is still in office. But history will show that Bush's choices generated a lot of worlwide instability.

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

somebody ban the person that started this poll. :2cents:

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lol, u do realize u actually know the person that started this poll right? :D

ur an idiot for making this stupid pointless thread.

Not a stupid thread at all - just stupid people posting in it who have no clue what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Not a stupid thread at all - just stupid people posting in it who have no clue what they are talking about.

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me?:(

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Not a stupid thread at all - just stupid people posting in it who have no clue what they are talking about.

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i disagree, this is a pretty dumb thread!

wow. ya'll cant be serious?!?! Bush vs Saddam? I didnt read the whole thread, but from the looks from the first page there are actually animals on this site able to post moronic thoughts like: Bush is worse than Saddam, wow. The stupidity of some humans never ceases to amaze me.

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Originally Posted by Danny

wow. ya'll cant be serious?!?! Bush vs Saddam? I didnt read the whole thread, but from the looks from the first page there are actually animals on this site able to post moronic thoughts like: Bush is worse than Saddam, wow. The stupidity of some humans never ceases to amaze me.

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+1 !!!

The morons are the one's that do not understand how there IS a comparison. good to see that "The Machine" works as advertised.

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

But in my eyes Bush is a villain too. Bush to me lead us to a war for reasons people still dont know, and has pretty much turn his party against him. Sadam was a villain to his own people which to me that is his own countries fault, for allowing him to abuse them. Our country can't be the police for everyone's problems. I would like to hear others imput.

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We're fighting in Iraq to create a state that's friendly to the US so we have a military infrastructure already in place to launch attacks (and defend againt) Iran.

The terrorists are just a side problem we're dealing with in the meantime.

Iran is an extremly dangerous country to the stability of the Middle East region. They're sending countless weapons (and personel) to:

-Hamas- who is directly confronting Israel (our very close ally) with daily missle attacks. And who also overthrew the Palestinian government last week. Iran recently gained nuclear status, and has said many times that they are going to blow Israel off the map.

-The Taliban in Afghanistan and Iraq- we caught Iran red handed two weeks ago in a very large shipment of arms to these guys. They're also sending their best special forces and commanders into Iraq to fight against the US disguised as terrorists.

-And let's not even get into their ties with Russia and China.

I'm no Bush supporter (he's fuckin up bad on securing our countries borders)
BUT, there are bigger things going on here than some stupid war in Iraq. If Israel is destroyed, we will be sucked into a global conflict larger than any in the past.

:2cents:
-jonathan

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Originally Posted by BABY J

The morons are the one's that do not understand how there IS a comparison. good to see that "The Machine" works as advertised.

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Of course there is a comparison. You can compare anything and everything, now the amount of similarities you will find is whole different subject.

But please do share the similarities. But for you to suggest Bush and Saddam are on the same level is foolish; and the fact you are still breathing after saying so proves me correct.

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Originally Posted by DB1_77

We're fighting in Iraq to create a state that's friendly to the US so we have a military infrastructure already in place to launch attacks (and defend againt) Iran.

The terrorists are just a side problem we're dealing with in the meantime.

Iran is an extremly dangerous country to the stability of the Middle East region. They're sending countless weapons (and personel) to:

-Hamas- who is directly confronting Israel (our very close ally) with daily missle attacks. And who also overthrew the Palestinian government last week. Iran recently gained nuclear status, and has said many times that they are going to blow Israel off the map.

-The Taliban in Afghanistan and Iraq- we caught Iran red handed two weeks ago in a very large shipment of arms to these guys. They're also sending their best special forces and commanders into Iraq to fight against the US disguised as terrorists.

-And let's not even get into their ties with Russia and China.

I'm no Bush supporter (he's fuckin up bad on securing our countries borders)
BUT, there are bigger things going on here than some stupid war in Iraq. If Israel is destroyed, we will be sucked into a global conflict larger than any in the past.

:2cents:
-jonathan

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Nice details. Do you have any links to these specific topics? I would like to read into them. The border issue is driving me insane, mainly the US/Mexico border since thats what is in the spot light right now. Im sick of the illegals destroying this country. (back on topic now)

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

This is my last question for a minute. I want to know who ya'll think the biggest villain is, is it Bush or Sadam. After watching the special on National Geographic last night, I saw how much of a villain sadam was. But in my eyes Bush is a villain too. Bush to me lead us to a war for reasons people still dont know, and has pretty much turn his party against him. Sadam was a villain to his own people which to me that is his own countries fault, for allowing him to abuse them. Our country can't be the police for everyone's problems. I would like to hear others imput.

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all yalll need to learn some fucking respect, you may not like bush, hell i dont like bush but you need to give him some respect, sadam killed his own people in cold blood has bush done any shit like that, sadam launched scud missles at israel, has bush done that ? sadam was evil and we went to war because he needed to be gotten rid of. it should of happen in the clinton years, but the clintons and janet reno where to busy being pussies and fucking up america, you may not like him but you need to respect him and his position and in my opinion stand behind him because he represents all of us.


sorry for my spelling errors :gay:

i only read the fisrt page and the last page of this thread but major reps to danny and db1_77!!!! +1 yall

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Originally Posted by Danny

Of course there is a comparison. You can compare anything and everything, now the amount of similarities you will find is whole different subject.



But please do share the similarities. But for you to suggest Bush and Saddam are on the same level is foolish; and the fact you are still breathing after saying so proves me correct.

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The fact that I am still breathing?? LOL. Maybe the fact that I am still breathing has a little bit to do with...



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or maybe...



http://www.seriouscustoms.com/babyj/FLIGHTSUIT



I'm sure it has nothing to do w/ the wings I earned in this photo:



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What have YOU done that makes you SOO fuckin qualified? I try to stay outta threads like this b/c most people have NO CLUE what the hell they are talking about. People like you use CNN as an information source - like I said, I see that "The Machine" works as advertised. I never said that they are on the same level, but they are DEFINITELY comparable - if you don't have the ability for abstract thought then you have no place in this thread. There IS a comparison.

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Originally Posted by efman

all yalll need to learn some fucking respect, you may not like bush, hell i dont like bush but you need to give him some respect, sadam killed his own people in cold blood has bush done any shit like that, sadam launched scud missles at israel, has bush done that ? sadam was evil and we went to war because he needed to be gotten rid of. it should of happen in the clinton years, but the clintons and janet reno where to busy being pussies and fucking up america, you may not like him but you need to respect him and his position and in my opinion stand behind him because he represents all of us.

sorry for my spelling errors

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Respect is EARNED, not learned. As with all other President's the "report card" for Bush will not be realized until h is well out of office. The years you are referring to is a DIRECT reflection of the US funding and arming SH for more than 30 years. That pit bull you keep on the short leash in your back yard just MIGHT bite your hand off in the future huh? LOL @ the "we went to war b/c he needed to be gotten rid of" comment. SH was predictable, and that's one reason why the "smart" presidents before SH tried to get rid of him politically instead of w/ american blood being shedded. I stand behind he TROOPS - I put my time in, butI will NEVER stand behind an idiot - and that's just what JB is. His own party is turning on him and rightfully so - he is running out of favors on the hill and every1 is realizing that - the stall on the immigration vote yesterday is proof.

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