Honda builders....

[Master Shake]

Ok, between the B16 and the LS/VTEC, in your opinion, which would be a better build?

[aaronfelipe]

LS/VTEC?

[Master Shake]

LS/VTEC?

do you not know what it is?

[DC2girl]

Well... I've seen my boyfriend's ls/vtec run and it was unbelievable. I called that car 'Frankenstein' because it ran anything on streets...but b16.. I've seen run and it wasnt anything compare to my boyfriend's car. I guess it really depends on how you build it.. but from my point of view.. I rather have a ls/vtec. Just my

[aaronfelipe]

I do, that was my vote. Make a poll.

[burnout1990]

ls/vtec with a gsr head ftw!!!

[Master Shake]

I do, that was my vote. Make a poll.

2 choices...and i wanted to know people's opinion for why they're goin with that motor. and you put the "?" so it made it seem like you didn't know.

[Master Shake]

between ls/vtec and b16....i'll go with the ls/vtec. i've seen one of these that was built like hell and it was pushing like 620 hp to the wheel. crazy.

[aaronfelipe]

2 choices...and i wanted to know people's opinion for why they're goin with that motor. and you put the "?" so it made it seem like you didn't know.

Yeah man, didnt mean to throw you off.

[Master Shake]

Yeah man, didnt mean to throw you off.

its straight.

[NAIZBST]

ls/vtec FTW!!!!

[Master Shake]

i really don't know that many people that build b16 in rome, everyone is goin with the ls/vtec. i wanted to do this about 2 years ago when i first heard about it. but now that everyone is doing it, i don't want to.
so thats why i asked which would be a better build, cause i've hear a lot of talk of b16's being a bad-ass motor, just never seen one that was built like hell.
but i have another project in mind i'm thinkin about buildin. it'll be all motor but hopefully it'll be enough for me to pull on just about anyone that tries to run me.

[Shawna]

make sure the person building knows what they are doing... i know a lot of people that have really bad experiences with the ls/vtec

[ECMgarrett]

between ls/vtec and b16....i'll go with the ls/vtec. i've seen one of these that was built like hell and it was pushing like 620 hp to the wheel. crazy.

but you could build a b16 with just as much power. when you start talking about building a motor a lot of things go out of the window.

Well... I've seen my boyfriend's ls/vtec run and it was unbelievable. I called that car 'Frankenstein' because it ran anything on streets..

why would you call it frankenstein because it races anything on the streets? that makes no sense

[The Golden Child]

hmmm shouldnt this be in general topic ??

[IntegraXTR]

i really don't know that many people that build b16 in rome, everyone is goin with the ls/vtec. i wanted to do this about 2 years ago when i first heard about it. but now that everyone is doing it, i don't want to.
so thats why i asked which would be a better build, cause i've hear a lot of talk of b16's being a bad-ass motor, just never seen one that was built like hell.
but i have another project in mind i'm thinkin about buildin. it'll be all motor but hopefully it'll be enough for me to pull on just about anyone that tries to run me.

ok here's the thing, the B16 platform is a lower version of the ITR but comes out a high reving motor but yet torqueless, so by using a bigger displacement such as a 1.8L block or 2.0 (CRV) you're getting the best of both worlds, HP/TQ. Yes it "can" be a reliable daily driven motor but that all depends on who builds it and what you put into it. Then again you can still go with a B16 and buy a stroker kit so it'll be a 1.8, really just depends on your goals and plans. Lets say all you're trying to do is 170-180whp, this can easily be achieved through just stock cams such as ITRs/CTRs, bolt ons, and a vafc for a low budget with a ls/vtec where as doing the same to a B16 might not get you that results. Now as far as "pulling on anyone that tries to run me" that will take some time/money to do, don't get me wrong, all motor rocks but there will always be someone out there with a bigger build. LS/vtec is a great motor for a fraction of a GSR motor price, I got mines built for $1200 with OEM internals. I hope this info helps, if not we can get into more discussion about it.

1 last thing, wrong forum man

[IntegraXTR]

Well... I've seen my boyfriend's ls/vtec run and it was unbelievable. I called that car 'Frankenstein' because it ran anything on streets...but b16.. I've seen run and it wasnt anything compare to my boyfriend's car. I guess it really depends on how you build it.. but from my point of view.. I rather have a ls/vtec. Just my

lol babe.

[Master Shake]

ok here's the thing, the B16 platform is a lower version of the ITR but comes out a high reving motor but yet torqueless, so by using a bigger displacement such as a 1.8L block or 2.0 (CRV) you're getting the best of both worlds, HP/TQ. Yes it "can" be a reliable daily driven motor but that all depends on who builds it and what you put into it. Then again you can still go with a B16 and buy a stroker kit so it'll be a 1.8, really just depends on your goals and plans. Lets say all you're trying to do is 170-180whp, this can easily be achieved through just stock cams such as ITRs/CTRs, bolt ons, and a vafc for a low budget with a ls/vtec where as doing the same to a B16 might not get you that results. Now as far as "pulling on anyone that tries to run me" that will take some time/money to do, don't get me wrong, all motor rocks but there will always be someone out there with a bigger build. LS/vtec is a great motor for a fraction of a GSR motor price, I got mines built for $1200 with OEM internals. I hope this info helps, if not we can get into more discussion about it.

1 last thing, wrong forum man

i'll pm you and we'll get into this a little bit more.

[SniperJoe]

Unfortunately, by adding a stroker kit to the B16A, you are killing the rod/stroke ratio, thus making it less safe to run higher RPMs.

[Vteckidd]

everyones responses is really funny.

so you guys would take a STOCK LSVTEC over a b16?

why, please explain.

depends what your goals are, what rods an pistons are you using, turbo or all motor, etc.

I have seen a B16 make 650whp, does that mean B16s are better? NO. there are tons of engines and combinations to support both setups, what other people are making makes no difference, it DEPENDS WHAT YOUR SETUP IS.

[Vteckidd]

yeah i love how people say "i wanna do a stroker kit" like its so easy. like you just bolt that shit in an your done.

there is this thing called Rod Stroke Ratio, Piston to Deck Height, etc.

I wold rather get the Discplacement from the BORE, so you dont lose R/S ratio

An lsvtec built with stock rods is retarded. you are DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF VTEC. with the stock LS rods you cant rev past 8000 RELIABLY no matter whats done to them. So your building a motor with a head that wants to rev to 8200-8500 an you cant do it.

doesnt make any sense to me.

[Rican219]

[SixSquared]

Personally, I'd go with a B16 before I went with an LS/VTEC.. LS/V is not just a simple head swap.. gotta get into things like oil squirters, VTEC wiring, etc.. Golden Eagle makes a kit for it, yes, but honestly, by the time you're done just building an LS/V to run (IE getting the head, getting the block, getting the trans, and getting them all to work together, reliably), you could put that into a B16 swap and have a nicely running, low mileage swap. And B16 turbos are fuuuuuun. Not to say LS/V turbos aren't... but honestly... this question kind of reminds me of the people who come on forums and ask "I'm installing a suspension upgrage.. should I go with a full coilover kit or just springs?"... My general response?

If you're asking that, you shouldn't be doing it.

[Master Shake]

everyones responses is really funny.

so you guys would take a STOCK LSVTEC over a b16?

why, please explain.

depends what your goals are, what rods an pistons are you using, turbo or all motor, etc.

I have seen a B16 make 650whp, does that mean B16s are better? NO. there are tons of engines and combinations to support both setups, what other people are making makes no difference, it DEPENDS WHAT YOUR SETUP IS.

i knew this would stir up something.
the question i was really askin is...a stock ls/vtec vs a stock b16. which would you prefere and why?

and it does depend on your own setup, cause everyone doesn't think alike. and there WAY TOO MANY parts that could be used and different outcomes for each.
for me...one car all motor....and one boosted.

[Master Shake]

Personally, I'd go with a B16 before I went with an LS/VTEC.. LS/V is not just a simple head swap.. gotta get into things like oil squirters, VTEC wiring, etc.. Golden Eagle makes a kit for it, yes, but honestly, by the time you're done just building an LS/V to run (IE getting the head, getting the block, getting the trans, and getting them all to work together, reliably), you could put that into a B16 swap and have a nicely running, low mileage swap. And B16 turbos are fuuuuuun. Not to say LS/V turbos aren't... but honestly... this question kind of reminds me of the people who come on forums and ask "I'm installing a suspension upgrage.. should I go with a full coilover kit or just springs?"... My general response?

If you're asking that, you shouldn't be doing it.

the ls/vtec does take a little more work that have than what most people think. but thats just it...some people just buy shit like that cause they have the money, but someone like, i want to take pride in knowing that i built the motor. for me thats what matters most.
2 types of people's imports.
the people who buy em....and the people who build em.
i'm one of the people that wants to build my motor, that way in the end i can take pride knowing what my time, blood, sweat, and tears have accoplished.

and if you have ask what springs to use....sell your car and go buy one with em on it already. i personally prefere springs, cause the sets of coil-overs i've had has giving my car a rough ride.

[Vteckidd]

ok, what chassis? an EF i would choose a B16, a haevy chassis i wuld opt for the LS/VTEC because of the added TQ.

but, in any case, i would do a GSR over both. why you ask:

b16 is a cool little motor, an with the lost TQ it doesnt matter in a lighter chassis. with valve Springs an Ret it can see 9000rpms fine.

Now, take a stock LS block, its weakness is the RODS. so, you put valvesprigns an retainers in it, an you still cant go above 7800-8000 reliably.

Now, you decide to do cams, well cams RAISE your powerband into higher RPMS. the B16 can take advantage of the higher revs because of its short stroke, the LSVTEC STILL CANT REV BEYOND 7800-8000.

so when your building an all motor LSVTEC, your giving yourself a HUGE disadvantage by running the WEAK ls block, your being completely counter productive to what an all motor car is.

the only way to change that is by putting forged rods (eagles, carrilo, crower) in it so they can rev, which means forged pistons, which means add $1000 to your build.

or

you can buy a GSR block an have the best of both worlds, a 1.8L, an the RPM of a B16.

LSVTECs are GOOD ONLY IF THEY HAVE A BUILT BOTTOM END (NA WISE) other wise your throwing your money away.

[BABY J]

Mike... will you marry me? No really... will you?

[chunky]

k-series ftw.

/thread.

[Hondasi]

6000 ftw^^^^

[BTLFED]

Well... I've seen my boyfriend's ls/vtec run and it was unbelievable. I called that car 'Frankenstein' because it ran anything on streets...but b16.. I've seen run and it wasnt anything compare to my boyfriend's car. I guess it really depends on how you build it.. but from my point of view.. I rather have a ls/vtec. Just my

The reason it is called "Frankenstein" is because of what type of swap it is.

VtecKidd for Honda God.

[BTLFED]

k-series ftw.

/thread.

Haha! You would say that!

[Master Shake]

k series aren't that bad.
BUT...i prefere b-series. i don't like the setup of the k's. (Intake and headers)

[SixSquared]

GSR FTW. I love mine.. best mod I ever did to the Sol.

[Z0_o6]

GSR's are the best, not only for the rod stroke ratio, but the factory oil squirters, crank girdle, and sheer modability. a guy here in macon is running 10 psi on a procharger on an internally stock GSR and he's in the 12's in an EK hatch with full interior and system. shit's friggin amazing.

[SLow_POke]

i would still rather do either a stroker b16 or semi build ls-v


i like quarter mile runs, not rolling runs or top end. so losing top end wouldnt really botherme much. as long as you have good enough mid range


edited
... dayumm just saw the date

[2.0civic]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA DAMN MAN...OUTTA NOWHERE

[slowredteg]

b16 all the way. if the ls was meant to have vtec honda would have done it. ls/vtec is much less reliable and much more costly in my opinion. it doesnt make sense to spend a shit load of $$ just to put the motor together right so it doesnt fuck up when you could just use it to build the b16. also i would rather have a motor than can rev up high like the b16.