Originally Posted by h22 jones
O, I thought he ported some...
O, I thought he ported some...
Why do yo guys keep talking about the b20 sleeves? You are talking about n/a.... you will not crack a b20 sleeve with a n/a setup. Hell a lot of ppl run over 400+whp in their turbo setups. The weak point about the b20 is the rod bolts. But if you are getting rods then you are good to go. And to everybody that doesn't know, the b20 block is the exact same block as a ls except for the bore size, that's all! So the crank and stroke and everything else is exactly the same. You see more "ls" cranks in builds because they are easier to find and produced a lot more b18a/b motors......
Cool. Like I said I'm no bseries guy .
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
B20 = thin walls regardless of n/a or boost.
Also boring .5mm over? Thinner....
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Like I stated before 230 with b20v is easy. as for me doing it myself is inrelevant so you just sound ignorant. If you wanna touch a nerve pinch yourself. Build a motor that don't blow up or can beat stock set up. If you know what works 230 is easy as hell. B series is just over look. Mike not being a dick either stick to h thanks. Man if u need help pm me
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Well help me then, dang!!! LOL
considering an ITR head is a P73, nice try. only noobs make that mistake :P
PR3 is the casting , ITR head is stamped with an "R" next to the PR3
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to answer everyones question though, the B20 sleeves are weak, but not all motor wise. Not unless you bore it.
FACT: Honda service manual calls for THROWING AWAY b20 block if the bore is out of round. Every other B Series calls for an over bore 10-20 thou. B20 does not. What does that tell you.
B20 block in good condition with no bore, i know PERSONALLY people making legit 240+ numbers on stock sleeves. So its totally capable of that. I would NOT BORE any b20 block though ever.
Turbo wise, ive seen 260whp B20 blocks with a tiny turbo pop at less than 9psi.
There is no question they are weak, and weaker than the other B series motors. The rod bolts are the same as LS so yes they are weak unless you replace them with ARP. They are not made to rev past 7400 in stock configuration. But ive seen people keep their LS/b20/vtecs under 7800 and last YEARS.
as far as 230whp B Series + go, there has only been 5 or LESS confirmed motors in the Atlanta area ever. (Me, Streetstuff, Chip, Jason from Balanced, maybe someone else). So unless people have confirmed dynoes, its been a handful of people so all this talk about race motors and "should coulda woulda built this" is just talk because parts lists on paper DOES NOT EQUAL POWER.
Im sure there have been some people locally that probably made over 230, and just arent on the forums, but even then its very very very few.
To be fair, several simple H22s have broken 230 with ease.
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no its not. 220 is a far cry from 230, and 240 is a long way from 230.
There is a reason i can name the 230+ HP club with a B Series on one hand.
Furthermore , if you knew anything about NA power, the Victor X sucks balls, the PERFORMER X is what most people want and run, or the AEBS/Skunk2 manifold. PRO2s CAN make the power but PRo3s are 10+hp better. I know, because i tested them against each other FIRST.
Dont mislead people
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LOL
AMEN
I'll bet any amount of money that your a dumb fuck, I got one in the EX coupe, so yes I have prove, and yes I'll take it apart.. No where does it say R nwxt to PR3...
ITR is a B16 head casting pulled straight from the assembly line, then is it hand ported ONLY behind the valves(steeper valve angle), a lighter intake valve(thinner stem), dual springs on both sides(itr intake= yellow..itr exhaust= blue), different LMA's(blue dot) and cams, That's it!!
Honda never stamped a R on the head maybe the rails, but I doubt you even knew that, only did they put the green paint by the dizzy, so the out sides look the same...
They have a - 1,2,3,4 next to the PR3 B16 head so ITR can be a PR3-X, 2,3,4..
But If you wanna bet some money I'll Bring the Coupe out which has a real ITR swap in it.. I have no problem proving the differences in person!!
Just because you don't understand what i'm writing don't mean I'm a noob, take my bet, 500 says you don't find an R on the out-side casting of this ITR head in the Coupe(95 ex).
Pics for those who don't know!! ITR port work, yes it's an ITR head.. PR3 casting!!
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Vteckidd, please post proof of this ITR head which has PR3-R...
You did say that, did you not...
AND YOU CALL ME THE NOOB!!!!!!!!!!! Bahahahahahah
Ive had the ITR head from a 2001 head, it is stamped "R". Id be happy to show it to you but its on Lengs car he sold to some guy in NC.
Theres other ways to tell an ITR head FYI, not just casting. serial number and production date also narrow it down.
Im sure you own a ITR head if you say so, but ive seen multiple ones stamped "R" next to the casting
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Also, only the early models were hand ported IIRC, later models (00-01) were machine cast same as b16. So youre half right.
Maybe only 00-01 have "R" on it. no idea.
I never called you a noob so shut the fuck up with your "bet me money" bullshit , i doubt you have $500 to wager anyway. And id knock the shit out of you for talking like that you know that. So calm down before i back hand you. I was also teasing you considering i put the ":P" in so calm down before you have a heart attack
For reference, that first picture you posted, above the LEFT port was where my head was stamped "R" and it was kinda sideways. Thats where seans head was stamped R, and so was jensons.
I HAVE seen ITR heads without the "R" stamp, so maybe it was a JDM thing. OR maybe it was for remanufactured heads. Mine came straight from honda in 2005 after my gf got a factory new replacement motor.
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The heads were CNC ported, not hand ported... Your half right, but only from 00/01 one was this done..
FYI I'm not your bitch, but I will promise this, if you see me in person you better knock me out, if not you will soon see after what fire feels like on the big ass head!!
Just sayin!!
Bobby that pic you found is off google by the way.
Just so its not far fetched, Honda stamped other parts "R" as well. like the rods
SOME of the crank girdles IIRC had the R Stamp as well.
I dont know what to tell you but im not lieing, and i dont think you are either. But my head was stamped "R" and it was authentic ITR. I was just making an offhanded comment
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Bobby you no rookie shut up lol
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Mike I know about rods and stamps of R, but my point was honda does not stamp the head PR3-R.... Good try tho!!
This is what you wrote, again calling me a noob, or so I took it that way...
well im pretty sure my head was from HONDA since i ordered it from Baranco Acura and it was a P73 longblock. And it had "R" stamped on it.
Also, as i have stated, i have seen several OTHER Type-R heads with the same stamp. I also stated that i have seen heads NOT stamped "R" that were in fact from a Type-R. I was merely showing that Honda does in fact stamp pieces with the "R" and i have seen it. IM sorry i dont take pics of every head ive owned over the years. I also said that maybe the "R" was for "remanufactured" or "reissued" since my head came from honda long after the ITR was out of production (was ordered in 2005). But that doesnt explain the other heads ive seen unless honda put "R"s on heads that were sold OUTSIDE a car (IE ordered from honda and not pulled from a car). I know my GFs block said "R" too and it came with no vin number because it was from the factory.
But besides that, it really wasnt meant to start an argument, it was just an off color statement, that you took way too seriously. Because again, i cant post anything without you being a jackass trying to prove something.
Its really pathetic. Get some confidence man. Must have been picked on when you were little
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I think you have that backwards, I was offering setup's both race and DD shit to make power... You came in with the negative shit saying 230 is far fetched, etc...
Think outside the box for a change...
Mike riddle me this!!
1) you say pro3 will make 10hp more than a Pro2, Right?
Well how about this; b20/V
84.5x89 b20 block (.10)
12.5 to 1 Rs machine pistons
Eagle rods
acl bearings
Stock unported GSR head (.10)
z10 gridle
BMC race intake (stage 1)
Blox C cams, springs and retainers
hytech header
I'm not being a dick, so debate with me here... Guess the power and TQ output, then add a pro3 to the mix, maybe a RLZ or PortFlow head...
But yes this is a real motor, good DD on pump gas(93)
Its because this forum is filled with people WHO HAVENT DONE IT yet want to post how easy it is. How can you possibly know how "easy" it is to make 230+whp WHEN YOU HAVENT EVEN DONE IT YET. Thats my point.
Whoa whoa whoa motherfucker, i did think outside the box, and until you make 237/159, YOU are the one that has to catch up, not me. I already made that power, i know what it takes. So i can comment on it.Think outside the box for a change...
Let me know when youre in the same league then we can talk
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no i dont say, i KNOW.
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1419428
Check the date, 2005.
Also check the plots:
PRO2 NUMBERS
257 BHP and 171TQ
PRO3 NUMBERS
267BHP and 172TQ
Engine dyno, with the best engine builder on the east coast. So yeah, im pretty confident in my statements. Because IVE ACTUALLY DYNOED BOTH CAMS on a HOT B20vtec unlike other people in this thread.
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Thats the difference between me and you, i dont guess. I actually do it. I dont complain about how i dont have any money and if i did i could do it. I actually go out, spend the money, and test the stuff.
So im not going to guess.......
But traditionally, PROPERLY setup PRo2 and PRO3 cams on a properly setup 2.0l, will be around 10hp difference. PRO3 really takes off in the top end, but bottom end its pretty close to PRO3.
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And you call me the dick, lol... you made 228 at battle ground after the fact, but you claim the higher number from MainStream.. Always seemed fishy to me, but it's all good.. Pointless going on with you, it's like a endless pit!!
Back on topic!!
It's been done, sitting in my car... Without a dyno tune it made 220/150 at Midnight, dyno said 107 degrees that day!!
Want me to go to mainstream and make another 5-7hp on their dyno? Just sayin!!
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I hate to be an ass Mike, but damn if you think you king shit or something!!
I never really cared to prove people wrong on a fucking dyno, if the car runs then it's game on..
youre so stupid its like arguing with a 4th grader.
I MADE 237/159, i also made 232/152, i also made several 230+ dynoes on dyno days, and other events. that car saw OVER 300+ dyno pulls between testing headers and cams. it made 237 SEVERAL Times back to back to back. I can pull the plots from mainstream if they still have them.
I DYNOED 236 at mainstream then drove to batlground to see the difference. 30 minutes later i made 228 on their dyno. Unfortunatley all my shit was saved to WE-TODD-DID racing which is out of business so my pics dont work. but heres what it made in the first PULL of tuning
See what i just did there? i posted a dyno sheet proving something. You should try it out sometime
But yes i claim the highest it ever dynoed legitly which was 237. You could do the same thing if you had a dyno plot over 230. If your car made 23X and then 6 months later the same motor just happened to dyno less, then cool. you could still say you OWNED a 230+whp motor.
but you cant do that.
I can. Nothing fishy, just the facts. I can back my shit up, you can park your shit in the driveway and dream
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Ok post the plots of your Pro2s vs your PRO3s. I thought you said you had BLOX Cs?
Did you actually test both cams against each other on the same day bobby? or are you using plots from months apart? do you even know how to dyno test? are you that much of a broke dick motherfucker you cant even afford to tune your car? why are you all over morris nuts if you cant even have him tune your pile of garbage? what a ricer
Ok great, when you have a dyno that breaks 230 come talk to me, you still havent come within 8whp of my LOWEST dyno on my motor LOL
go dyno your car on mainstreams dyno and see what it makes. maybe youll make less , after all their dyno doesnt have fucked up altitude readings and incorrect elevation numbers :P or maybe itll make more. Maybe youll actually be able to know what it takes to make over 230..........
but i suspect youll just bitch about how you have no money to do anything.
i think its funny you talk about all these motors to build to make power, when your claim to fame is a untuned b20vtec with blox cams and china RS machines pistons. If thats what "thinking outside the box" is , then im so glad i walked away when i did.
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Let me guess what happens next:
BLAH BLAH BLAH
IM out, off work yo! time to go to the gym, and not argue with wannabe's.
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Considering the last motor in the car was tuned, I trailor this new setup to Morris, we made 3-4 highway pulls got pulled over and it was done... Never did it see a dyno until the dyno day, remember the dyno was not installed, later did I help them to install it, I agreed with morris that I would buy the other parts and then dyno tune it.. Car sits cause I lost interest long ago, I don't really care to prove shit... That's the difference in me and you!!
Now-a-days I'd rather ride my son on his four wheeler than work on the car, but the car is here...
220hp 2000lb hatch that went 12.9... Enough proof that I know what I'm doing!!
But thanks, have a great day!!
Congrats on building a 13 second all motor honda. Way to think outside the box. If only we all could set the bar as high as you can.
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Thx, guess i'll go build another mustang, or hell I could get a TL and then add some bolt-ons, maybe add a zex kit, cause that's way out the box HUH?... GTFO you cocky prick!! You sound like every other ass who thinks they have done it all... Then you bash the honda's knowing that is your roots...LOL
I could stick to h series but I'm sure I could build a b series to make as much or more power then anybody on here. I wasn't saying its not possible but saying something is easy that only a hand full of people have done is setting somebody else up for failure. I can build a 250 hp h series all day long because its easy to me but I don't go around telling every person that is Building h series that 250 is easy because what's easy for me might not be so easy for them . Of course with enough money anything is easy.
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
It's always about money, how much you wanna spend.... LOL, wanna go faster, spend more money!!
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