trying to choose a cam

[jdmkiller]

im going back and forth with the Blox HSL or P1 cams. Wondering which one will get me to the 230whp goal.

[1civic]

Well that's a bunch of info you gave us...LOL

Post the setup;

Bore
Stroke
compression
Head
Intake
Header

Need more info Homie...

[jdmkiller]

B20 84.5mm, stock stroke, 12 to 1
gsr head
blox IM, 68mm TB
PLM v.2 header

[1civic]

Go to a victor X or atleast port the Blox.. 70mm TB and No less than a Pro2 cam.. 230 is a big number!!

s300 and a good tuner will get you close!!

Is this motor together yet?

[Black4DrEK]

Ported head?

[h22 jones]

Lower your goals or spend a lot more money being serious.

[jdmkiller]

i plan on getting the head ported with a 3 angle valve job and no the engine is not put together yet

[h22 jones]

That would help a lot man and my dad does great work.

[jdmkiller]

whats his shop and how much does he usually charge?

[h22 jones]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

[Jdm94Coupe]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

u forgot about me..... oh yea i havent told anybody the #'s, lol..... anyhow, his dad does rediculous work!!! i will vouch for him 1000% percent.

[DarKStaR]

u forgot about me..... oh yea i havent told anybody the #'s, lol..... anyhow, his dad does rediculous work!!! i will vouch for him 1000% percent.

Do tell do tell, i saw it after he got done with it.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Do tell do tell, i saw it after he got done with it.

jimmy hasnt tuned it yet, he will when i switch to s300.....but it hit my goal of 500, in process of new shell and d2b now..... probably wasnt my car u were thinking about

[DarKStaR]

I was talking about the head after mikes dad got done with it...

[Jdm94Coupe]

I was talking about the head after mikes dad got done with it...

ohhh my bad.... yea the head is beautiful..... works great with bisimoto's 3.6 camshaft.....

[DarKStaR]

To the OP, get the head ported to take advantage of a bigger cam. Pro2 might be a good cam to go with just check your clearances

[Jdm94Coupe]

Also OP, if u need pics of his work I can shoot u some as I'm sure others can as well. I vouch for his work and him being a good person, I don't like ppl working on my shit that are assholes and that's the 100% truth. Customer service is #1 in my book, that's why I don't deal with some ppl and some particular shops.

[h22 jones]

My bad man just a couple right off the top of my head . He'll we been texting all day and I still forgot lmao.

[112480]

230 is a big number!!

Yea on a B series.....lol

[112480]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

H,D series port work=h22jones and his dad=SUCCESS

[112480]

jimmy hasnt tuned it yet, he will when i switch to s300.....but it hit my goal of 500, in process of new shell and d2b now..... probably wasnt my car u were thinking about

What! Ay man u didn't call and tell me the numbers! That's ok...... We got a 40-120 run coming right?

[112480]

To the OP, good luck on ur build man

[Jdm94Coupe]

What! Ay man u didn't call and tell me the numbers! That's ok...... We got a 40-120 run coming right?

Yea when its back together, lol.... ima send u some pics soon. Trynna make a few deals happen......

[jerseyef9]

230 is cake homie. Stock port with pro2s victor x mani 70mm tb and big tube header. Very good tuner easy power . 230 b20v is walk in a park. Gl homie.

[h22 jones]

230 b series cake ? Tell me how many 230 hp b series dynos you have seen ? Not being a dick it is possible but not your everyday build and not cake . 6,000 or 7,000 grand isn't cake . I'm also not a big fan of the b20 crank . All the big hp b series I've seen make there power from reeving a ls crank which you can't do a b20 they want handle it.

[Black4DrEK]

It is easy to say, When you havent done it or nearly never seen it.. smh. 230 is Very possible but not easy. 200-215 in a B series is NICE. You wont be disappointed with that. Gl with the build.

[1civic]

230 b series cake ? Tell me how many 230 hp b series dynos you have seen ? Not being a dick it is possible but not your everyday build and not cake . 6,000 or 7,000 grand isn't cake . I'm also not a big fan of the b20 crank . All the big hp b series I've seen make there power from reeving a ls crank which you can't do a b20 they want handle it.

both ls and b20 are 89mm Homie, gsr is 87.2mm.. 220hp is much easier with a b20, only because it has a 84mm bore... Sleeve an Ls block and go 84/85 and you will have the same result if not better...

My race motor would look like this; Sleeved ls/vtec or b20/v, if that's what you have!!

86x89mm 14:2 w/E85
Wiseco Pistons
Carrillo A beam rod
PortFlow head(GSR) and pro3's
BMC or Magnus intake
TODA or Hytech header
1000cc injectors

Many combos to run though, for street I would do this;

84x89mm 12:5 to 1 on 93
wisco/CP depends on budget..
any h beam rod, eagle, BC, etc.. Unless you got money for the light rod!!
Stock GSR head or ported if you can afford it
Ported ITR, shunk2 or AEBS intake
Pro2's or 3's
Hytech or Toda header
450/550cc injectors


Each to their own, but just listing my 2cents, no pun!!

[h22 jones]

So it's the sleeves of the b20 that are weak ? I'm not a b series person you know that Bobby lol. You also know that there is a big difference between being able to do something and it being easy . He'll plenty of money drop it off at a shop and don't touch it is easy lol. I've seen to many b series built barely making 200 to say 230 is easy. He'll you have a very nice set up to me Bobby but it still hasn't hit 230 .

To the op look in the all motor registry and there is a 227 hp b series build fairly new copy his ingredients .

[Bacon]

I agree with a 230hp B20/vtec. Possible but very expensive. Hope you are doing something with the sleeves


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[1civic]

So it's the sleeves of the b20 that are weak ? I'm not a b series person you know that Bobby lol. You also know that there is a big difference between being able to do something and it being easy . He'll plenty of money drop it off at a shop and don't touch it is easy lol. I've seen to many b series built barely making 200 to say 230 is easy. He'll you have a very nice set up to me Bobby but it still hasn't hit 230 .

To the op look in the all motor registry and there is a 227 hp b series build fairly new copy his ingredients .

Yes, b20 sleeves are the weak link.. No pun like I said, many setups will net you a bit over 200, but like anything it cost money to go fast..

Here is a Cheap setup for anyone to clear 200 easy!!

B20 block, arp rod bolts
RS machined ITR pistons or a 84+mm b16 piston
GSR head w/ITR springs and retainers.. or even BLOX..
Pro1, pro 2, or blox c cam
Itr, Blox, aebs, skunk2 intake
440cc or bigger injector

Not a fan of b16 heads only because they need to rev out to make power, GSR seems to work better for mid-range,and flow fine to 9K, not only that but you pick up compression... Just my 2 cents..

[Bacon]

Under the all motor section on Honda-tech, look at one of the stickies for the official all motor dyno thread. There are several b20/vtec builds. Look through their parts list and see how close you are.

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[h22 jones]

B16 heads has always been what everybody wants I'm not sure why. Have you ever compared them with a gsr ? The ports are way smaller no way I would choose one over a gsr that's just me.

[1civic]

B16 heads has always been what everybody wants I'm not sure why. Have you ever compared them with a gsr ? The ports are way smaller no way I would choose one over a gsr that's just me.

Most every motor I built would be a DD, not a Race Motor... Race head would not matter cause the combustion cambers are welded, it's ported on intake and exh.. GSR head to me works well for mid-range,and topend, it flows well, it's not always the size homie!!
It can see 220-230 with a stock port, mine is stock!!

But yes;
We flow tested a b16 and a GSR head back in the day, and they flowed the same amount... Just some food for thought

[1civic]

Mike jones!!! Your making me give up to much info now....LOL

3 factors I like out the box... stock vs stock!!

1) Gsr head will net Higher Compression
2) Gsr head has a straighter port
3) Gsr head has a square combustion chamber less likely for detonation

[1civic]

And people want proof so here it is...

[h22 jones]

I understand air speed and all that . My point is the same one that you are making I would prefer the gsr head over the b16 . As far as adding compression and all that I understand your reasoning there also unless you can get to the compression you want anyway then no need to choose one head over the other for compression. I've read different stories on the flow numbers between the two heads but no need to argue when I don't care lol. I will say this if gsr ports are bigger they will flow more air period.

I still don't know why anyone would prefer a b16 head over a gsr that is my question.

[1civic]

I understand air speed and all that . My point is the same one that you are making I would prefer the gsr head over the b16 . As far as adding compression and all that I understand your reasoning there also unless you can get to the compression you want anyway then no need to choose one head over the other for compression. I've read different stories on the flow numbers between the two heads but no need to argue when I don't care lol. I will say this if gsr ports are bigger they will flow more air period.

I still don't know why anyone would prefer a b16 head over a gsr that is my question.

Ok, I see... It's the whole ITR thing, if it says PR3 they can claim ITR....LMAO!!!

[h22 jones]

I see got ya.

[1civic]

I see got ya.

That was sopose to make you laugh...

It's always been out that the b16 is a better flowing head.. SMH... Itr is the one to have (stock vs stock)...

What does your dad think?

[h22 jones]

He hasn't seen any of them.