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    We cut our valve reliefs so that even in vtec we can spin our motor over with no piston to valve contact. Also we dont reev our motors to 9,500 rpms either. I used to think it was cool to see the rpms go that high but no need if you dont make power that high. I have read alot of different things to prove there is no need in reeving that high but i want get into to all that. if you dont have a bad ass motor built to make power that high then you are doing nothing but putting uneeded stress on your motor . In a stock h22 i would lose time in the quarter if i changed gears past 7,800 rpms. Now that has alot to do with gearing also which is why mike (vtec kidd) reeved so high. It wasnt because thats were he made his power it was because his gearing allowed him to (4.7 final drive). Im not getting into explaining all that either.

    Im not running stock type s valve train because i cant afford the good shit hell i got tones of that stuff laying around the shop. For you guys that ask will this spring work with this cams look out side the box. Its not will it work , its how well it will work. What you want is the spring with the lightest spring pressure that will still keep your valves from floating. Ive seen tones of people use super tech and yea they work fine but have you ever wondered how much power there costing you ? As soon as i try to spin a motor over by hand i can tell if it has super tech springs in it hell you cant hardly spin the damn thing there so stiff. We run type s shit because it gets the job done with out so much spring pressure that it cost you power. If you drive your car like you have some since odds are you can get away with alot of shit that people that dont take care of there car can get away with . Simple fact is that if you miss shift your tires are going to float your valves and destroy your motor no matter what springs are in there. Figure out were you want to shift at and go from there . We are actualy fixing to test a bunch of springs just to see how much difference in spring tension there is . If you like reeving to 9,500 for no reason then by all means buy the nicest shit you can and odds are your still going to blow your shit up. To much spring tension also kills the life of the cam and results in wipping a lobe. After 5 years of running these cams they still look brand new not even the coating is wore off.

    As for the retainers we are still running stock ones . Our valve train is realy light and we couldnt tell enough on the dyno to make it worth spending the money. Just make sure all your clearences are good and read up on what cams your using to see what kind of trouble anybody else has had with them. Other then that good luck. I just dont want you to think that aftermarket springs and retainers is going to save your motor if you shift from third to second at 100 mph (miss shift) because its not lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black4DrEK View Post
    Ehh I wasnt trying to "out rev" anybody... I wasnt Racing anybody.. I was on my way to the store.
    lol... dang bro

    Quote Originally Posted by h22 jones View Post
    We cut our valve reliefs so that even in vtec we can spin our motor over with no piston to valve contact. Also we dont reev our motors to 9,500 rpms either. I used to think it was cool to see the rpms go that high but no need if you dont make power that high. I have read alot of different things to prove there is no need in reeving that high but i want get into to all that. if you dont have a bad ass motor built to make power that high then you are doing nothing but putting uneeded stress on your motor . In a stock h22 i would lose time in the quarter if i changed gears past 7,800 rpms. Now that has alot to do with gearing also which is why mike (vtec kidd) reeved so high. It wasnt because thats were he made his power it was because his gearing allowed him to (4.7 final drive). Im not getting into explaining all that either.

    Im not running stock type s valve train because i cant afford the good shit hell i got tones of that stuff laying around the shop. For you guys that ask will this spring work with this cams look out side the box. Its not will it work , its how well it will work. What you want is the spring with the lightest spring pressure that will still keep your valves from floating. Ive seen tones of people use super tech and yea they work fine but have you ever wondered how much power there costing you ? As soon as i try to spin a motor over by hand i can tell if it has super tech springs in it hell you cant hardly spin the damn thing there so stiff. We run type s shit because it gets the job done with out so much spring pressure that it cost you power. If you drive your car like you have some since odds are you can get away with alot of shit that people that dont take care of there car can get away with . Simple fact is that if you miss shift your tires are going to float your valves and destroy your motor no matter what springs are in there. Figure out were you want to shift at and go from there . We are actualy fixing to test a bunch of springs just to see how much difference in spring tension there is . If you like reeving to 9,500 for no reason then by all means buy the nicest shit you can and odds are your still going to blow your shit up. To much spring tension also kills the life of the cam and results in wipping a lobe. After 5 years of running these cams they still look brand new not even the coating is wore off.

    As for the retainers we are still running stock ones . Our valve train is realy light and we couldnt tell enough on the dyno to make it worth spending the money. Just make sure all your clearences are good and read up on what cams your using to see what kind of trouble anybody else has had with them. Other then that good luck. I just dont want you to think that aftermarket springs and retainers is going to save your motor if you shift from third to second at 100 mph (miss shift) because its not lol.
    I just plan on revving to 9k... whereever my cams hold strong to. if its 5600 then its 5600. I just want to have a good valvetrain in there. What valves, springs, and retainers do you recommend... I don't have $800 for valvetrain either lol. I am running buddy club spec IV's BTW.

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    Yea coil bind is'nt pretty. Finding Coils of springs in the bottom of a Oil pan...lol

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