First Motorex, now Kaizo. More GTRs seized by police forces from Cali owners.

[Type-R]

yeah all 1996 R33s are "legal" to import, but they dont possess OBD2 capability so they will NEVER be made legal in the eyes of the FED.

They knew what they were doing

NHTSA doesn't have a hand in the OBDII world, that is the EPA's cup of tea. RB's will pass emissions with alittle bit of care, the issue isn't that it's not possible to do OBDII on a R33, it's that no one has a system up and running for the compliance process.

Now if a RI has access to a system and can get a ICI to install it then all is well, but again, it's not that it can't be done it's that no one has one yet. However, JK Tech claims they are able to do this and I'm sure if that is accurate that they obtained the rights and privacy to the designs so no other RI could use it, just as they did with the air bag system that's required for the complaince process as per the Addendum A.

[Vteckidd]

NHTSA doesn't have a hand in the OBDII world, that is the EPA's cup of tea. RB's will pass emissions with alittle bit of care, the issue isn't that it's not possible to do OBDII on a R33, it's that no one has a system up and running for the compliance process.

Now if a RI has access to a system and can get a ICI to install it then all is well, but again, it's not that it can't be done it's that no one has one yet. However, JK Tech claims they are able to do this and I'm sure if that is accurate that they obtained the rights and privacy to the designs so no other RI could use it, just as they did with the air bag system that's required for the complaince process as per the Addendum A.

so youre talking about a backward engineered OBD2 electronics system that will pass EPA standards?

awesome im sure its a $200,000 skyline now

[Type-R]

so youre talking about a backward engineered OBD2 electronics system that will pass EPA standards?

awesome im sure its a $200,000 skyline now

I'm not a systems engineer so I cannot number crunch for you but I do have a proposed OBDII system document and I can tell you that the numbers are more in the #### digit range.

[Vteckidd]

you can quote FED REGs all you want it still comes down to a simple facts:

1) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY DRIVE A SKYLINE ON US SOIL *unless its a motorex car which was grandfathered in*
2) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY TITLE A SKYLINE IN THE UNITED STATES *unless it has a motorex title that was grandfathered in*
3) ANY PERSON IMPORTING A SKYLINE IN THE USA IS DOING SO TO DRIVE THE CAR, WHICH AS IVE STATED IS ILLEGAL

there is no way around it. your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL

[Type-R]

your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL

I never once vouched for someone else's car, I know many Motorex owners accross the country attending the meets. Pointing the "illegal" finger at Skylines is silly when JDM tyte motor swaps are just as illegal as a grey market car (Euro, Jap, whatever) driving around.

[Glides]

I never once vouched for someone else's car, I know many Motorex owners accross the country attending the meets. Pointing the "illegal" finger at Skylines is silly when JDM tyte motor swaps are just as illegal as a grey market car (Euro, Jap, whatever) driving around.

Actually. You are incorrect to a certain point.

A Skyline as a whole, is illegal.

The entire car, not just the engine. You can walk down to the DMV and register swapped 240s all day long. Won't be able to do that with your Skyline. Sure you can fudge it, because yes....this is Georgia and get titles. The Southeast is the Wild West of automobiles. You will never get away with that in Cali. Used to be you called a Sheriff, had him come out, check the blinkers and lights and bam, you got a vin and then a title. Those days are coming to a close as the Feds are educating Jethro.

Now, if it's more than 25 years old, no problem. But your R32 or R34...nope, Evo 5...nope, Pulsar GTiR...nope.

Sad really, but thats the way it is.

[Type-R]

Actually. You are incorrect to a certain point.

A Skyline as a whole, is illegal.

A vehicle with no motor/tranny is not considered a motor vehicle and therefore is not to be treated as such when being declaired through Customs and is not subject to FMVSS. So no I'm not incorrect and a chassis is not illegal in any way at all. There is nothing illegal about having a chassis on a dolly claimed as "used automotive parts". That is not circumvention, it's facts.


A lot of what's being debated here in regards to legal/not legal with Kaizo and related matters needs to be reminded that no charges have been filed against Daryl or Kaizo in general, therefore these issues have yet to stand in court which the suspected case is to be regarding what the intended purpose of the vehicles was upon importation. Shipping used auto parts or a chassis for the sole purpose of using it as a coffee table is perfectly legal.

[Glides]

A vehicle with no motor/tranny is not considered a motor vehicle and therefore is not to be treated as such when being declaired through Customs and is not subject to FMVSS. So no I'm not incorrect and a chassis is not illegal in any way at all. There is nothing illegal about having a chassis on a dolly claimed as "used automotive parts". That is not circumvention, it's facts.


A lot of what's being debated here in regards to legal/not legal with Kaizo and related matters needs to be reminded that no charges have been filed against Daryl or Kaizo in general, therefore these issues have yet to stand in court which the suspected case is to be regarding what the intended purpose of the vehicles was upon importation. Shipping used auto parts or a chassis for the sole purpose of using it as a coffee table is perfectly legal.

Here let me give you the final fact in this debate. If the government WANTS to take your Skyline. They WILL!. End of discussion, end of story. There will be absolutely NOTHING that you can do about it. You can quote this, quote that, say this, say that....be an armchair lawyer all the live long day, but if they want it. They will get it. Done.

[Glides]

you can quote FED REGs all you want it still comes down to a simple facts:

1) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY DRIVE A SKYLINE ON US SOIL *unless its a motorex car which was grandfathered in*
2) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY TITLE A SKYLINE IN THE UNITED STATES *unless it has a motorex title that was grandfathered in*
3) ANY PERSON IMPORTING A SKYLINE IN THE USA IS DOING SO TO DRIVE THE CAR, WHICH AS IVE STATED IS ILLEGAL

there is no way around it. your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL

Kidd, you yell alot. Revmaynard needs to get in touch with you si his buddy can buy a Steering wheel.

[Vteckidd]

yeah but like you said, no one has done it. The amount of R&D involved to have a working OBD2 systems has to be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

You have to have sensor feedback, and ECU that will talk to the OBD2 scanner, etc.

you are talking about totally engineering a computer system and packaging it into a car that 1) has an engine we never had here in the USA 2) never had OBD2 ports/scans to hook up to

Kaizo was selling their cars for upwards of $100,000 for an R34 right (figures i heard) because they were "legal". I could only imagine the person that had some sort of OBD system that was EPA compliant would charge whatever he wanted and people would pay.

[FAM0U5]

and that's how the cookie crumbles...

[Ziptied]

Same things i've been saying for a while and even warned Daryl about, the govt just does NOT want them here and simply will always find a way to stop you. If you want a skyline, buy a g35/g37 or save your penny's for a new GTR.

[HachiDori]

Wow that truely blows...

That silver one is epicly nice. Best of luck to all the people involved..

[Type-R]

It is and it's a absolute shame but we all hope that some light will be shed on the matter soon following the court case. A very good lawyer was obtained to defend the owners.

[bdydrpdmazda]

I would fucking cry and possibly do some crazy shit if a cop knocked on my door and told me he was their to take my R34 and I wasnt gonna get it or any money back.

[Glides]

Let me add a little edit here. I hope to god they never do decide to take a liking to your questionably legal automobile, I really do. I would hate to see someone stripped of their car. Skylines are not cheap. Nobody deserves that. I watched my brother piss away $60,000 dollars on lost imported automobiles. It's not a pretty sight.

In context though, it seems that everytime someone debates legality issues with a Skyline owner, they always quote this and that and 15 rules and sub sections to this code and whatnot to try and convince the other person that they are legal....and then their car gets snatched. I'll bet you doughnuts that every person whose car got snatched in Cali was saying the same things you are on message boards far and wide, assured that their car was safe. And look what happened there. If you are 100% sure about your vehicle.....go to the DMV and ask them. Call the EPA or ICE and make sure. If you still have it after those phone calls....you win the debate

[Type-R]

If you are 100% sure about your vehicle.....go to the DMV and ask them. Call the EPA or ICE and make sure. If you still have it after those phone calls....you win the debate

I have motorex papers, I don't have to worry about anything.

Furthermore, I have had ICE agents here inspect multiple vehicles of mine over the years at the port. I don't preach B.S. or talk nonsense, I speak from experience and facts. Whatever the your brother pulled and got in trouble over it is your business, obviously from the vehicles you mentioned was a instant flag because it sounded like they were complete cars... so no kidding they got snatched.

I don't need to call anyone or varify any information that I have because to put it simple, I know it's right because I do this for a living and have been for many years.

There's neat little things in this industry called lawyers who specialize in customs and importing matters. That's their job and they are good at it, petty B.S. that people post on here means titty to them. I'm not trying to win a debate, I'm trying to keep the misinformation to a minimum so the average Joe doesn't get steered in the wrong direction.

This isn't my first go around the block nor is it my first imported car, I have many and have had many. I've probably had the only driveway in my state with 5 Skylines at once parked in it.

[Ziptied]

simply, no.

Unless its motorex, its not legal.

[Tracy]

Customs made Dan throw out his mango once! They were not letting him bring that shit here from Jamaica.

[leobond001]

i was also under the impression that you could send over bodies or shells of japanese cars and claim them as parts. doesnt have to be a skyline. any car. and get it shipped to a florida port, claim it as parts, and have a U.S counter car that you own that you can " swap" the parts to and just junk what ever is left.
the get the rest of the parts shipped from japan.

[Type-R]

i was also under the impression that you could send over bodies or shells of japanese cars and claim them as parts. doesnt have to be a skyline. any car. and get it shipped to a florida port, claim it as parts, and have a U.S counter car that you own that you can " swap" the parts to and just junk what ever is left.
the get the rest of the parts shipped from japan.

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.


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You kids continue to waste your e-lives by trying to impress people with your inaccurate misinformation and lack of ability to read the rules and reference documents. The only fool is you. I'm done with this useless thread, facts are posted.

[leobond001]

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.

yeah that was the only problem with that. i've been looking at the 3000gt or a mirage evo for years, bu ti'm not trying to get caught up.

oh and the accord sir for 97 is on the list

[Glides]

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.


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You kids continue to waste your e-lives by trying to impress people with your inaccurate misinformation and lack of ability to read the rules and reference documents. The only fool is you. I'm done with this useless thread, facts are posted.

Yeap, then you have a very expensive coffee table that soon as you put a motor in...is illegal. So that brings us back to the whole reason of this thread. Tell me Genius Joe....why would you import in a car with no motor, that you knew was illegal soon as you put a motor in? Simply because it's legal? That's a hell of a business decision.

I honestly think that you just talk out of your ass half the time. Do you even read what you write?

It might be better for you to leave this thread. Good call. Oh yea, go look at the letter posted on the other thread. Could be real, could not be real...but it's for an R33 and there are numbers on there that go to the corresponding people, you might start your phone calls there.

While you are at this, if you decide to not leave, like most people who say they are done with a thread do. Inform us where you got your car? The importer out of Florida, Sean whatever? Or Bergstrom from Canada? Or the fella out of Tennessee? I'd love to know. You see whiz kid, I know importers, if I don't know em, I know people who do. If you think i'm some dumb kid you are sadly mistaken. I've been in the scene a long time. I'll let you know what I find out.

[Type-R]

You see whiz kid, I know importers.

I'm sure you do, please do name one that's on the list right now that you know? Those backwoods people that are under the radar and sell grey market shit through container shipments are not importers. They get panda-express JUNK and sell it for markup prices.

[Glides]

Here I will help you out so you can nutswing some more


UNDERCOVER VIN INFORMATIONS "PEW PEW"

Excellent. I'll check that vin number out for you. If all is good, you win. If it's not.....then they can meet you at your next Skyline meet.

I hope you are right. I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.

[Ziptied]

I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.

Fuck yes, when josh said that for the first time I laughed my ass off, but thats what they are unless they are GT-R's lmao!

[Type-R]

Fuck yes, when josh said that for the first time I laughed my ass off, but thats what they are unless they are GT-R's lmao!

I hope you are right. I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.

RWD? Funny you clearly don't understand what BCNR33 means. Nor does Ziptied.

Guess I'm the Skyline noob?

[Glides]

RWD? Funny you clearly don't understand what BCNR33 means. Nor does Ziptied.

Guess I'm the Skyline noob?

Is this you?

Vandrel
Founder

1995 Nissan Skyline R33 GTS25T

GTS2.5T does not a GTR make smoofus.

Or am I mistaken on that too? Sure looke like you Mr Contracter man.

[Type-R]

Excellent. I'll check that vin number out for you. If all is good, you win. If it's not.....then they can meet you at your next Skyline meet.

Do you need the phone number to call too?

Please don't waste my time by trying to come to any meets, e-thugs like yourself and Ziptied are not welcome and are already forever printed into the history of our e-thug loser hall of shame.

[Glides]

Do you need the phone number to call too?

Please don't waste my time by trying to come to any meets, e-thugs like yourself and Ziptied are not welcome and are already forever printed into the history of our e-thug loser hall of shame.

No, i've got all that info. Don't you worry about me. But thanks for the offer of help.

Trust me. I won't come to your meets. I had my JDM cars, my JDM meets and my JDM friends....about 10 years ago. I grew out of the need to own overpriced (In America. In Japan, your 33 GTST is at best a 5 grand car), overweight right hand drive vehicles.

This was never meant to be an E-thug thing. You got pissypants because we didn't agree with you and you insulted me, my brothers "Back Woods" shop and tried to call me out. So you got a response. The only E-thug in here I see is you. I am only trying to help you amek sure you have nothing to fear.

[Type-R]

No, i've got all that info. Don't you worry about me. But thanks for the offer of help.

You do? Really? Why would you call a BCNR33 RWD then?

And BTW, the second set of numbers isn't the VIN. But I'd assume you knew that

[Ziptied]

lmao glides, this guy is a tool.

[Glides]

lmao glides, this guy is a tool.

Nah, he's just blinded. I can't really say he's a tool. He's probably a cool guy, he's just a bit confused. I hope he's right, if he found a way to make his car 100% legal, (which this whole arguement was about R34's and R32's) then he needs to open a business.

'Maybe Skyline related furniture. Import the bodies in and cut them up to make dining room suites and living room suites. How cool would that be?

[Ziptied]

Nah, he's just blinded. I can't really say he's a tool. He's probably a cool guy, he's just a bit confused. I hope he's right, if he found a way to make his car 100% legal, (which this whole arguement was about R34's and R32's) then he needs to open a business.

'Maybe Skyline related furniture. Import the bodies in and cut them up to make dining room suites and living room suites. How cool would that be?

Like the ac cobra couches? fuck yes. Im doin it with that 81 in the junkyard here.

[Ziptied]

I've seen YOU say your car was a GTS-T. which would be RWD. Now, if it is a BCNR33, congrats on the AWD Turbo camry.

[Type-R]

I've seen YOU say your car was a GTS-T. which would be RWD. Now, if it is a BNR33, congrats on the AWD Turbo camry.

Yes and as I've mentioned several times in this thread and others, I have more then 1. Thanks for paying attention.

Also, it's BCNR33, not BNR33. BNR's are 32's and 34's.

[Ziptied]

And if you look at that gauge a little more often. 99% of the time, it is rwd. so stfu

[Ziptied]

oh my, I forgot a "C". If you owned a GT-R why would you have a shitty GTS-T as your profile. Wow kid, I knew you were full of it, but damn.

[Type-R]

oh my, I forgot a "C". If you owned a GT-R why would you have a shitty GTS-T as your profile. Wow kid, I knew you were full of it, but damn.

Because I don't pride myself in listing 1000 vehicles in my profile or signature. Probably why I still have a old FD Efini on my profile here. Maybe I should uprate my e-thug skillz so I can be like you

[Ziptied]

Because I don't pride myself in listing 1000 vehicles in my profile or signature. Probably why I still have a old FD Efini on my profile here. Maybe I should uprate my e-thug skillz so I can be like you

Oh noes! more name drops! I'll call my sources tomorrow, im sure I can find out how you get your cars and who you get them from. 10-1, I already know.