ive never seen a cobra be soo nimble! nice video!Quote:
Originally Posted by SicStang03
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ive never seen a cobra be soo nimble! nice video!Quote:
Originally Posted by SicStang03
haha billy you never call me when youre in town so obviously im not that missed. yeah man it looks completely different now, Ill post some pics tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS3_KID
haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
I guess you missed this part...Quote:
Originally Posted by S II K
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Originally Posted by SicStang03
Please go to an autocross or road race and get back with us, thanks. :screwy:Quote:
Originally Posted by S II K
Pay attention bro..Quote:
Originally Posted by S II K
that yellow one was nice
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Originally Posted by simontibbett
I have, and Ive done them with a few cobras, like i said before...not impressed AT ALL!
What region and what class were you racing in?Quote:
Originally Posted by S II K
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Originally Posted by S II K
Take your adderall and read his post again.
I even pointed it out to him in post #164 but he is too stuck in his fan boy ways to realize itQuote:
Originally Posted by Frög
They aren't twitchy, they're completely neutral. Most cars have an understeer bias so people driving the S are unfamiliar with its' handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
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Originally Posted by simontibbett
Eh? It can have a faster entry speed. And the only place the Cobra could have a faster exit speed would be from the acceleration from the apex to the end of the turn. We're talking a few mph here - maybe the Cobra could have the higher speed but it would be very close because the S has the faster entry and is a better handling car overall.
Don't assume I'm some retard here, I never said anything about an S2000 being faster than a Corvette in autocross. That statement came out of NOWHERE lol. Just because I've owned an S2000, it does not mean that I'm a fanboy and think that it's the fastest car in the world. You're the one coming in here with all the aggression and making assumptions about people.
Lay off the 'roids, pal.
Just now replying to this, but I just wanted to say that what I said is hardly the most ignorant thing in the thread, as I was putting in "from what I heard" to show that everyhting I am saying IS in fact a guess. I am admitting to not knowing any of it for sure. And when I said "I see no handling advantages for the cobra" I was talking about in pure physics, weight, skidpad, wheelbase, etc. where I later added that the Cobra can house massive tires, so that is one major advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicStang03
If they are both stock, it depends on the course/track it's done at. If there's alot of tight turns and not alot of straight ways I would say the S2K. But if the track is more open and like 90 angle and straight turns and just some strong turns, not many; the cobra could def put a hurt on the s2k with even drivers.
The issue here isn't the "muscle car's have shitty suspension" stuff, it basically comes done to weight and the drivers ability to throw and move that weight in the apex and out of the apex of the turns on the track, that and the gearing on the cars.
I have seen many muscle cars like mustang's and camaros ripping it up on track and scca events so don't think because Honda says the s2k comes ready for track at the dealership doesn't always hold true in the hands of a real person, but sure on paper.
A really good driver in the cobra and a normal Sunday driver in th s2k and even the smallest tightest course wont stop the good driver from coming around the bad in most cases on track and vice versa.
If your looking for a track car, test drive them both and pick which you feel is better for you. If your talking about street wise. The poor f**king deer.
My bet is on the cobra tho, even tho this question is pointless because we are not you, or the persons driving in this bench race. You have to decide which is best to you. This is like those, "WHATZ TEH MAX BOOOST I CANZ RUN ON MINES STOCK INTERNALS WITH 550CC INJECTRONS." The simple answer is every car/driver is different. Something you just got to figure out.
You guys are still talking about this. Even on a tight course a Cobra is going to walk all over a S2K.
If someone wants to bring a stock S2K and a stock Cobra out to an event at little tally, Ill be happy to drive both of them and we can put this to bed.
I voted the s2k because i believe it would take the cobra around a track with mostly turns. If i were buying a car I would not even consider the S2K I would go straight to the cobra.
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Originally Posted by Big Baller
This is truth..
Respect this, i'd be willing to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Baller
Tight Track= S2K
Lengthy Track= Cobra
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Originally Posted by DoriDori
The S2K would easily out handle the SVT Cobra stock for stock. As a matter of fact the S2K is in the A stock class in SCCA while the SVT Cobra is in F stock. Obviously the real racers say they dont handle anywhere near the S2K stock for stock. That being said, I have seen some mustangs with a little suspension work put down some serious g's. But then, thats not stock lol
Heres some others in the F stock class with the Cobra(I thought this was funny)
AMXJavelin V8 FSBMW5 series 6-cyl NOC6 series coupe8 series coupe (all)FS M5 ('00-'03)M5 ('88-'93) FSBuickRegal/Grand National, Turbo V6 FSCadillacCTS-V FSChevroletCamaro V8 NOCCorvette ('53-'62) FSChrysler300/300C ('04+) FSDatsun280 ZX Turbo FSDodgeMagnum SRT8Magnum, SRT-8Ram 1500 SRT10FS Stealth turbo FSFordMustang Mach 1 ('03+)Mustang SVT CobraMustang V8, NOCFS Thunderbird V8 & Supercharged V6 FSGMCSycloneTyphoon FSInfinitiG35 CoupeQ45 FSJaguarS-type (6-cyl)S-type RSedans, (12 cyl.)FS XJ-SXJ6 ('98+) FSLexus400GS400SC300FSLincolnLS V8 SedansMark VIII FSMercedesC36CLKE55 AMGFSMercuryCapri V-8Cougar V-8 & Supercharged V-6 FSMitsubishi3000 GT Turbo FSNissan300ZX turbo (pre-'90)300ZX, non-turbo ('90+) FSPontiacFirebird V8 NOCGTO ('04+)Trans-Am Turbo V-6FSShelbyGT350GT500 FSToyotaSupra Non-turbo ('93+)Supra Turbo ('86 1/2-'92) FSTriumphStag FSCatch-allV8 sedans, pick-ups, and sedan-derived convertibles NOC
two cars that are not even in the same class
cobra>s2k
Autocross...compares to NOTHING in the automotive world lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by StupidBikerBoy
But it does tell which car is more nimble and has better HANDLING. What is so hard to understand here?Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
Give the S2000 equal power and it will RAPE the Cobra even on a road course. Or, take the supercharger off the Cobra and let it run like it's a GT. Again, the S2000 will DESTROY the Cobra. Why? Because the S2000 is the better handling car. The ONLY reason people are saying the Cobra will beat an S2000 is because it has 200 more horsepower. And this thread isn't about which car has more power or will post better times, it's about handling.
I can't believe people are still talking about this.
Of course stock for stock a S2K would beat a Cobra on a autocross course.
Can we get a poll to lock this thread? We are never going to agree on the outcome of this thread, and it just *won't* die. Moderators- preserve the sanctity of our forums and purge this mess!!!!
I don't think so, because the Cobra will still own it in the torque department. Also, the original question was which car would post better times around a track. The poll question was worded differently to be about handling. People are saying that a Cobra would win not only because of the huge power difference, but also the small handling difference between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by afwfjustin
You do realize you aren't actually disagreeing with Justin, right? You are actually saying the same thing he is saying, but explaining the opposite side of the coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by nreggie454
... just thought you might need to know that.
Bottom line- this poll sucks and the thread should be locked for the aforementioned reasons of being poorly worded and demonstratively argumentative.
any of you who voted cobra are idiots and have no road racing experience.
Funny, I've been road racing since I was 5 in karts and have never quit, and I say Cobra AROUND a track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziptied
What road race experience do you have btw?
NASA racing since 26, PCA racing since 15, SCCA Solo 2 Racing since 14, HPDE Instructor for 3 years, Road Atlanta instructor for 2 years, need I continue? The cobra sucks compared to the s2k, these arent go karts kid, these are real cars.
lol, owned.
Yeah continue, I have to know you, I started NASA at 16, SCCA club at 16 (ITC), karting at 5, Solo 2 at 15, PCA, instructing, testing, etc. WTF is a Road Atlanta instructor?? I work there, what do you instruct? :???: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ziptied
Fuck yall ive been playing Gran Turismo since i was in the 7th grade, GT2 when i was 15, and GT3 when i was 17... and even played Sega GT on Dreamcast @ 17. And been playing forza since Day 1....
and the S2k..never touched the cobra...
I ran Gran Turismo too, quit though, competition was too tough and it was too hard on my body. I had to stay WAYYY too fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
You don't want to play the pedigree game on here there are 4 or 5 people including myself that trump that little resume you just posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziptied
While the S2k might pull more Gs on the skidpad it won't cut anywhere near the lap times a cobra will.
LOL thats funny, thats one of those bullshit lines I get from everyone who wants to be someone. I'm a Road Atlanta Instructor....Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
This was years ago, I instructed at RA for PCA. Before most of you were driving.
And this thread is 'what will handle better' not 'what pulls faster times' the s2000 will out handle the cobra. Period.