03 cobra vs. S2k who would handle better around a track.

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Originally Posted by S II K

I voted s2k


If you honestly think a ford mustang can out handle an s2000 please with all due respect slap your fucking face. and for those that think s2ks and miatas are a better comparison with alll due respect slap your fucking face as well. you cant compare them sotck for stock they are waaaaaay more underpowered than a s2000. even if they both had every single bolt on the s2000 would walk a miata.\


The End.

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lol

Z4
miata
s2000
sky
solstice
slk
MrS

all the same.. they are all 2 seater roadsters

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

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lol! pretty sure no one is arguing that at road atlanta a cobra would rape cause of the course layout so thanks for restating pages worth. Another track was found and the s2k was faster so again its proven it depends on the track(at this point). many many echoes in this thread lol! Find more times at other tracks to back up your so yourself up man and if more are found with the cobra having better times then awesome cause i really think no one in here is as passionate about this as you r dude :goodjob:

anyhow sidenote: wondering with you working there do you know a guy named Jesse Straight? He works for Panoz...

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Originally Posted by S2KJD

lol! pretty sure no one is arguing that at road atlanta a cobra would rape cause of the course layout so thanks for restating pages worth. Another track was found and the s2k was faster so again its proven it depends on the track(at this point). many many echoes in this thread lol! Find more times at other tracks to back up your so yourself up man and if more are found with the cobra having better times then awesome cause i really think no one in here is as passionate about this as you r dude :goodjob:

anyhow sidenote: wondering with you working there do you know a guy named Jesse Straight? He works for Panoz...

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What part of Panoz?

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

What part of Panoz?

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hes been there for close to 10 years now, i believe but he started out in composites making small cf parts then built the cf engine covers and now he actually goes out and seeks business for them since the "racing" scene is almost non existant. also on monday nights he teaches a wet layup class there.

Hmm I really don't know many who work for Panoz. I use to when the school was there but...

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Hmm I really don't know many who work for Panoz. I use to when the school was there but...

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cool cool thought id ask as its always a small world...

I see a lot of talk about GTs and V6 Mustangs blah blah blah... The argument we had was his car and mine... Even stock for stock the cobra would win on most tracks... I would lap him on most tracks LOL

Im confident that i can beat a mild bolt on 03-04 cobra in a straight line...oh wait i take that back i HAVE beat a mild bolt on cobra in a straight line and im also sure i could probably take one around the turns. this thread is stupid too many s2k nutswingers and cobra dicksuckers. These are 2 different ass cars ment for 2 different ass things.

I still think my s2000 will easily beat a stock cobra at road atlanta, but stock for stock the cobra will do work on a s2k due to the long ass back stretch lol BUT around the turns the s2k will do work on a cobra, and that is my opinion I am entitled to it, you dont have to agree with me and thats ok do your thing.

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Originally Posted by SicStang03

I see a lot of talk about GTs and V6 Mustangs blah blah blah... The argument we had was his car and mine... Even stock for stock the cobra would win on most tracks... I would lap him on most tracks LOL

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how much hp you making? you can pm me if you wish to keep it :ninja:

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Originally Posted by DUBSf22c

What car handles better? Who would put up better times with the same driver.
Sicstang and I have been arguing this point. Especially if the track doesn't have long straights.

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S2000>Cobra

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Originally Posted by S II K

S2000>Cobra

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You're the S2000 nut swinger.

I have seen a stock Cobra beat an S2000 in turns.

500/500 and I have suspension mods... I don't care what the poll says... lol at especially if it doesn't have many straights... If we ran at every track in the country I still think the Cobra would win most.

The argument we had was my car and his. I guess he started to feel stupid when he though about it and decided to make the poll all specific.

this is what ive gathered....
s2000 and cobra are two different. CR vs cobra is a correct comparison. so the s2k CR beat the cobra, that should be the end of a thread. stock for stock. okay the cobra wasnt far behind but it still lost to the CR. oh and all the talk about blah blah blah cobra wasnt built for handling doesnt matter. facts are facts. would a cobra beat a stock s2k? prob i think that was already discussed, but its a lame comparison. okay mr. tibbet, you see cobra walk s2k on road atlanta, good. road atlanta has huge straits, so it makes your point INVAILD because this thead talks about turns. i think the CR vs cobra is a good comparison, because both have setups for better handling. oh and funny part of the thread is that s2k still has almost less than half hp and tq and half the cylnders, but still CR beats cobra. so if you like cobra or s2k it doesnt matter, facts are facts. different tracks would make different results blah blah blah. its just silly to argue, point is CR vs cobra is a good test, b/c they are both top of the line models. CR beat cobra, end of point.

THE COBRAS CAN BEAT THE S2K IN TURNS TOO...I'm not just saying overall lap times.

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

THE COBRAS CAN BEAT THE S2K IN TURNS TOO...I'm not just saying overall lap times.

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okay good to know.

post above yours plain and simple should be where the thread is locked and our post should be deleted:cheers:

i cant continue to talk/read in circles anymore so you guys take it easy in this thread anyways :D :cheers:

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Originally Posted by blue_lude_91

this is what ive gathered....
s2000 and cobra are two different. CR vs cobra is a correct comparison. so the s2k CR beat the cobra, that should be the end of a thread. stock for stock. okay the cobra wasnt far behind but it still lost to the CR. oh and all the talk about blah blah blah cobra wasnt built for handling doesnt matter. facts are facts. would a cobra beat a stock s2k? prob i think that was already discussed, but its a lame comparison. okay mr. tibbet, you see cobra walk s2k on road atlanta, good. road atlanta has huge straits, so it makes your point INVAILD because this thead talks about turns. i think the CR vs cobra is a good comparison, because both have setups for better handling. oh and funny part of the thread is that s2k still has almost less than half hp and tq and half the cylnders, but still CR beats cobra. so if you like cobra or s2k it doesnt matter, facts are facts. different tracks would make different results blah blah blah. its just silly to argue, point is CR vs cobra is a good test, b/c they are both top of the line models. CR beat cobra, end of point.

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This isn't a cobra vs CR thread... stock s2k vs Cobra. Road Atlanta is the closest track around here, yet everyone is all "road atlanta has huge straights"... WHO CARES! A track is a track... Sure S2K beats a cobra on the skidpad by .04 and can brake a little faster. The Cobra will pull in every straight no matter how long it is and leave every turn faster. The difference in power overcomes the minimal elsewhere. The Cobra owns at high speed slalom.

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

You're the S2000 nut swinger.

I have seen a stock Cobra beat an S2000 in turns.

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I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

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Originally Posted by SicStang03

500/500 and I have suspension mods... I don't care what the poll says... lol at especially if it doesn't have many straights... If we ran at every track in the country I still think the Cobra would win most.

The argument we had was my car and his. I guess he started to feel stupid when he though about it and decided to make the poll all specific.

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Well then yes youre 500hp/500tq cobra will beat his stock 237hp/161tq s2000 especially at road atlanta. Thats not a fair comparison at all. Especially if you have suspension mods and he doesnt.

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Originally Posted by S II K

I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

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Well your mountain runs may have not been very good drivers. I beat a Z06 in my old Miata on Blood Mountain, obviously if it had been a better driver he would have raped me.

The title says around a TRACK. Tracks have straights, all of them almost, some longer then others, but it doesn't matter, because power at the exit is what makes up tons of time when the S2K isn't even leaving it in turns.

Take an S2K and a Cobra, Little Talladega, October 3, then continue the thread.

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Well your mountain runs may have not been very good drivers. I beat a Z06 in my old Miata on Blood Mountain, obviously if it had been a better driver he would have raped me.

The title says around a TRACK. Tracks have straights, all of them almost, some longer then others, but it doesn't matter, because power at the exit is what makes up tons of time when the S2K isn't even leaving it in turns.

Take an S2K and a Cobra, Little Talladega, October 3, then continue the thread.

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sounds good! ive been wanting to try out my new suspencion setup anyways. Ill PM you and ill get one of these little cobra guys to come with me lol sicstang03 you down? i think ill be a little better competition then a stock ass s2k.

PM me details for October 3rd

It's the time attack Top Speed setup, go find the info, events section I think, or if you want a private track day to do it we are working on setting one up.

see, this is what it's all about... we have an argument, a bunch of shit talk, and now a deciding track day. i can't offer a concrete answer, because both the two people in an argument can't decide on what kind of specific track. for me, it's a toss up.
edit: i do agree however that the CR should be matched against the Cobra. and fyi sicstang (the CR is a stock s2k)

i cant mentally grasp the concept of a stock s2k coming close to getting past a TERMINATOR..hopefully this gets done!

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

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Calm down man. There is NO argument that the Cobra is a better handling car than the S2000 because the S2000 is. There is also NO argument that the Cobra is a faster car and that it would beat an S2000 at a track because it's the faster overall car, by far.

We've already established that.

And saying that S2000 is not a fast car? Yeah, duh. It makes 200 whp no shit.

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Originally Posted by S II K

I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

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DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

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Originally Posted by afwfjustin

DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

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u sure about this?

the s2k will have a faster entry speed than the cobra

the s2k will have have faster exit speed

S2k's are known to be twitchy cars from the get go.

Where are u all gettin these stats from..lol

Jesus Christ. All this nitpicking is fucking annoying.

The question posed is not who will lap quicker, but which of the two handles better.

Handling is a combination of factors, as well know...ie, responsivness, side to side transition (slalom), oversteering understeering, grip...etc.

Although the Cobra has much more power...the lesser mass, better weight distrubted S2k will outperform.

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Originally Posted by Christopherr

The question posed is not who will lap quicker, but which of the two handles better.

Handling is a combination of factors, as well know...ie, responsivness, side to side transition (slalom), oversteering understeering, grip...etc.

Although the Cobra has much more power...the lesser mass, better weight distrubted S2k will outperform.

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and the answer is..

CORVETTE.

Edit: Will aka SIIK aka friend. You need to post pictures of your SIIK. I miss it and you princess.

ill race any cobra in my S2K...hehe.

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Originally Posted by btstone

ill race any cobra in my S2K...hehe.

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On street tires around a track :taun:

I don't have a Cobra

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Originally Posted by afwfjustin

DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

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Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

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A S2000 can beat a Corvette in autocross, due to the Corvette being AMURKIAN made it is only able to turn left.

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Originally Posted by LS3_KID

A S2000 can beat a Corvette in autocross, due to the Corvette being AMURKIAN made it is only able to turn left.

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Oh yeah. I forgot. :screwy:

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

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lol not even in forza or GT stock for stock you are NOT gettin past a cobra in a s2k...:lmfao:

s2k

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

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right! For the people who missed this video posted earlier

This car has the same springs as me and some caster, camber and toe adjustments.. THAT'S IT suspension wise...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...ght_138329.htm

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Originally Posted by JITB

lol not even in forza or GT stock for stock you are NOT gettin past a cobra in a s2k...:lmfao:

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LMFAO I know I just tried. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: