Import vs Domestic

[sebastianHoff]

what i was saying, which might require some outside thinking to understand, is you cant really compare a traditional american car to an import. you cant put a stock mustang or camaro next to a stock integra, eclipse, or 240sx and ask which performs better. the domestics would butcher em, its not even a fair contest. but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

now before you all start bitchin about how your cars are better, im sure they are, but they probably arent stock. hell my s14 has violated cars that cost 12x what it cost me to build. but the only fair way to judge is from stock condition, and in stock condition my s14 was a turd. i mean shit it had a hard time out running its exhaust and that comes out the back of the friggin car.

[quickdodge®]

which might require some outside thinking to understand,

Before, I had no clue as to what you were saying. Now, I think you have no clue as to what you're saying.

but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

Sorry. Wrong. The Neon, although not nearly as reliable engine-wise, outdid the Civic in performance pretty well. Stock for stock, the Neon had between 25-40 more HP, torques was stronger and it out-handled the Civic. Remember(if ou didn't know) the Neon was orignally designed as an auto-X car. That's why it has always faired very well in auto-X everywhere. Later, QD.

[chrisdavis]

[QUOTE=sebastianHoff ....... but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

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I used base model specs since your comparison is stock vs stock

2005 Cavalier(base model)

Hp 140@ 5600 RPM
Torque 150@4000 RPM

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.n...HX1_BCV;051001

2005 Honda Civic

Hp 115@ 6100 RPM
Torque 110@4500 RPM

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.n...OCM_VPR;051001