+ like ZOMG for HAWK. i finally FINALLY!!!! Got my HP Plus pads after almost 2 months of waiting. but if you want a nice good pad id deff try some Hawk HPS... great for street and it will still be good for some "spirted" driving. HP Plus is one step further and a pain to find... well for me that is. they squeal alot more at normal DD driving temps. but when cold or hot like in the mtns they are stone cold quiet and just uber nice graby... i love them. thats why i waited 2 months for them lol