When you make good products, this economy is no big deal

[OnURleft]

Meh, OP your comparison is apples a oranges. Not to mention BMW released the new M3 with 3 variations in 2008. No surprise M sales jumped.

Last I checked both were car makers, making cars, dealing with the economy and trying to sell appealing automotive products to consumers. Sounds like your just saying catchy phrases because you want to say a catchy phrase.

It almost doesn't matter that they released a new M3. They released a new M3 in 2001 and 1995. Sales are up 50% more then they have EVER been after the release of ANY M3 with America leading the way and our sluggish economy to boot. This includes the 95'-96' M3 which sold more units it's first year then the entire production of E30 M3's IIRC, and 2006 when the M5, M6, MZ3's all came out. To top it off they just ENDED production on the M roadster and Coupe and the M5/M6 range is coming close to their end.

[Sam C.]

Last I checked both were car makers, making cars, dealing with the economy and trying to sell appealing automotive products to consumers. Sounds like your just saying catchy phrases because you want to say a catchy phrase.

It almost doesn't matter that they released a new M3. They released a new M3 in 2001 and 1995. Sales are up 50% more then they have EVER been after the release of ANY M3 with America leading the way and our sluggish economy to boot. This includes the 95'-96' M3 which sold more units it's first year then the entire production of E30 M3's IIRC, and 2006 when the M5, M6, MZ3's all came out. To top it off they just ENDED production on the M roadster and Coupe and the M5/M6 range is coming close to their end.

LOL, last I checked GM would need to sell more than 24,000 units to survive. GM's average consumer can't afford an M-car and BMW's M division doesn't keep their lights. Like I said Apples and Oranges.

Please note my comments should not be viewed that I'm in favor of bailout, rather they are directed to your argument.

AbraCadabra Holmes

[OnURleft]

LOL, last I checked GM would need to sell more than 24,000 units to survive. GM's average consumer can't afford an M-car and BMW's M division doesn't keep their lights. Like I said Apples and Oranges.

Please note my comments should not be viewed that I'm in favor of bailout, rather they are directed to your argument.

AbraCadabra Holmes

Yes Apples and Oranges...... A Cadillac CTS is in no way comparable to a 335i. An STS-V is nothing like an M5 nor is a XLR anything like a Mercedes SL or a 6 series. The V series is just a badge, not something to compete with an M... That's leaving out Pontiac, Saab etc. a sport and luxury brand which also has dismal sales. If depreciation were something to compete for, I think anything GM could wave that flag of victory.
This "cheaper" market they sell to is trounced by the Japanese and there luxury car market is trounced by the Germans. They struggle to make a good car or two

[OneSlow5pt0]

Yes Apples and Oranges. A Cadillac CTS is in no way comparable to a 335i. An STS-V is nothing like an M5 nor is a XLR anything like a Mercedes SL or a 6 series. The V series is just a badge, not something to compete with an M... That's leaving out Pontiac, Saab etc. a sport and luxury brand which also has dismal sales. If depreciation were something to compete for I think anything GM could wave that flag of victory.
This "cheaper" market they sell to is trouned by the Japanese and there luxury car market is trounced by the Germans. They don't make good products.

what u talking bout the CTS-V is faster than the M3 and M5 around the ring,its the 1st sedan to run under 8mins.

i like some BMWs,but maybe i wrong...but its sounds like your saying the CTS-V is below M cars.

[OnURleft]

what u talking bout the CTS-V is faster than the M3 and M5 around the ring,its the 1st sedan to run under 8mins.

i like some BMWs,but maybe i wrong...but its sounds like your saying the CTS-V is below M cars.

Sarcasm. They have an extremely large market made for direct comparison to M vehicles specifically, as does BMW have an extremely large market of cheap cars in Europe like GM does here. Apples and Oranges my ass.

In light of that it needed 556HP and wider tires to run 2-3 seconds faster then the 6 speed M with 140 less HP. Supposedly the new 7 speed gearbox is suppose to drop 5-10 seconds..