When you make good products, this economy is no big deal

[OnURleft]

LOL, last I checked GM would need to sell more than 24,000 units to survive. GM's average consumer can't afford an M-car and BMW's M division doesn't keep their lights. Like I said Apples and Oranges.

Please note my comments should not be viewed that I'm in favor of bailout, rather they are directed to your argument.

AbraCadabra Holmes

Yes Apples and Oranges...... A Cadillac CTS is in no way comparable to a 335i. An STS-V is nothing like an M5 nor is a XLR anything like a Mercedes SL or a 6 series. The V series is just a badge, not something to compete with an M... That's leaving out Pontiac, Saab etc. a sport and luxury brand which also has dismal sales. If depreciation were something to compete for, I think anything GM could wave that flag of victory.
This "cheaper" market they sell to is trounced by the Japanese and there luxury car market is trounced by the Germans. They struggle to make a good car or two

[OneSlow5pt0]

Yes Apples and Oranges. A Cadillac CTS is in no way comparable to a 335i. An STS-V is nothing like an M5 nor is a XLR anything like a Mercedes SL or a 6 series. The V series is just a badge, not something to compete with an M... That's leaving out Pontiac, Saab etc. a sport and luxury brand which also has dismal sales. If depreciation were something to compete for I think anything GM could wave that flag of victory.
This "cheaper" market they sell to is trouned by the Japanese and there luxury car market is trounced by the Germans. They don't make good products.

what u talking bout the CTS-V is faster than the M3 and M5 around the ring,its the 1st sedan to run under 8mins.

i like some BMWs,but maybe i wrong...but its sounds like your saying the CTS-V is below M cars.

[OnURleft]

what u talking bout the CTS-V is faster than the M3 and M5 around the ring,its the 1st sedan to run under 8mins.

i like some BMWs,but maybe i wrong...but its sounds like your saying the CTS-V is below M cars.

Sarcasm. They have an extremely large market made for direct comparison to M vehicles specifically, as does BMW have an extremely large market of cheap cars in Europe like GM does here. Apples and Oranges my ass.

In light of that it needed 556HP and wider tires to run 2-3 seconds faster then the 6 speed M with 140 less HP. Supposedly the new 7 speed gearbox is suppose to drop 5-10 seconds..