Not that anyone would want to do it, but you could rag on the GT2 every day and it will last way over 100k miles..
Not that anyone would want to do it, but you could rag on the GT2 every day and it will last way over 100k miles..
And when you do the math, if you have to change a GTR's $20k tranny every 3k miles its gonna cost you more than a GT1.
Nice! I will definitely have to pick it up and read it.
Porsche FTMFW.
EDIT: ^Totally agreed. I drove a Boxster with a alcantara interior, and it was amazing.
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Porsche owns all, someone want to give me 10k? I need to buy this Porsche on CLwill also give you my Miata and everything else.
i got the magazine right next to me but i dont feel like reading =/
then why waste a good post?Originally Posted by atlxpat
i kinda had my doubts about the GTR when i first started to hear everything about it. and i THOUGHT all the bugs in the car would be worked out. especially after how remarkable the R34 did. and IF the car did turn out the be everything as stated. then it could have just went down and turned alot of heads and gone down as possibly one of the greatest cars ever made.
however, it kinda seems like that Nissan, had the design, had what they WANTED it to do, built the car, and then watched it fall on its face when it tried. like they were so excited to release the car, they let some things slide, which is really fuckin them now.
Is Mr. Leno saying "Porsch?".........
Watch the part with 4:30 left.
Still Leno
I thought that Nissan used a 911 Turbo when they were developing the GTR, I didn't thing that they ever claimed that it was as fast as the GT2 or GT3. I wouldn't think that they were that stupid, I mean, it makes sense to go after another AWD/Turbo car market.
I just like to pick on cars that come out with promises of a feature or certain specs, then they run off and cancel the feature or don't match the specs. I'm sure they can find a driver that can match the numbers at the 'ring, but taking launch control away instead of devising a way to fix it, that's just mean, it ruins all of the acceleration numbers. This is what makes me mad about the RX-8, Mazda lying about the horsepower numbers so that we don't know about how slow it really is. It may be a good car, but now I'm mad at them for lying, even after they were on showroom floors.
Some say that his politics are terrifying, and that he once punched a horse to the ground...
if a GTR cant even beat a american car,how can it beat a porsche.....lol
or maybe the GTR driver sucked.......bahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYvLI...eature=related
now i know this is just straight line,but u gotta agree 90% of GTR will never see a roadcourse
"GTR driver"
LOL oxymoron!
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first comparison i've seen of the gtr losing to porsche.
so anything with paddle shifters isn't a "driver's car" according to Leno? Man, Ferrari is gonna be pissed when they find that out...
He's right though.
Remember, Jay claims he bought the Carrera GT only because the car came with the clutch.
I respectfully have to strongly disagree with Jay. He may be right to himself but to say that the Carrera GT is a driver's car and the Enzo is not is just silly.
you are silly.. The paddle shifting might be faster, but its less of a driver's car.. That's the truth..
F1 cars: Driver's cars or not.....discuss.
Racing as a whole is a bad example. Modern F1 is an overload of electronics. Aryton Senna De Silva (the greatest driver ever) even said it was too much.
The main reason for paddle shifters in F1 is because they are much softer on power delivery and are much more reliable. If you go into the making of an F1 gearbox, it is nothing like what you see on the road. Same story with the engine.
And as this argument seems to always make its way into the racing front.
If i race a car, and i know i want to win at any cost, i will take any possible advantage. This eventually backfired in F1 as traction control, launch control and even active suspension systems made the driver a passenger. All of those systems have been banned because the sport realized it was computers racing computers instead of what it should be.
On the street, we drive, not race. Therefore, i want to drive my car the way it was meant to be.
Many racing series don't allow the use of paddle shifters.
I totally get what your saying bro. I'm just playing devils advocate. What about limited slips and power steering? My point is this: What is the definition of a driver's car? I think it is different to many people. Is an F430 more of a driver's car than my Evo even though it has paddles? I think so. Some may not. Is my Evo less of a driver's car because it has an active diff (however basic it may be) or AWD? I don't think so. Even though cars like the Enzo have paddles I still think all the performance characteristics it has make it a driver's car. There is still LOTS of things for you to pay attention to while driving even though the computer does your rev matching for you. That's just how I see it though...
Granted, but.... electronics take away from the skills. Yes, they keep you on the road but they take away from the experience. Modern exotics have more power than the race cars of the 70's and 80's. The difference, these modern cars are babying the driver so he won't make a mistake. Again, it all comes down to personal opinion but i say that in order to drive a car, you have to be providing traction control with your right foot and clutch pedal.
I totally agree with that. I think some of the babying is necessary to prevent idiots from wrecking on the 405!
Well I would have to say yes and no..
The "no" is far fetched, but the reason being is one's definition of "Driver's car".. The term, off course for the most part, as everyone knows how complex cars are, "driver's car" refers to the idea that the car is built around (not solely, obviously) the "feel" of the drive and the "pleasure" that one gets from it.. The car is really centered around this philosophy.. It cannot be argued that manual gearboxes are much more satisfying to drive than paddles..
The F1 is not centered around this philosophy.. The feeling the driver gets after/during driving it is not what the manufacturer cares about, but its the time the driver completes the track that they worry about.. The driver's preference of manual gearboxes is overlooked as the car is built solely on performance and lap-time based benchmarks..
The "yes" because of many reasons. First, you cannot deny the thrill that anyone would get driving a F1 car.. It is a different class and to compare with anything else is illogical; but for the sake of this argument it is justified.. Every F1 driver will drive other cars with a slight presence of boredom..
From a different stand point, when defining the term "driver's car" differently, a F1 car HAS to be a driver's car.. This because if it wasn't, if the car was not perfectly tuned for that specific driver: the performance of the driver and the car would lack efficiency.. The car and the driver really have to be in unity to achieve success..
How did this turn into paddle shifting debate? lol
F1 cars are drivers cars, because half of this website couldn't even take a turn in one. I personally don't think paddle shifting is bad. For some reason I would take it in a Ferrari or something, but in a Japanese car? That just seems dumb to me lol. BUT it's not bad. Maybe it's I have driven paddle shifted Ferrari and liked it, it didn't seem as non driver like as I thought.
Don't you think you would enjoy driving a F40 more than an Enzo? Make it an F40 LM to make them even..
Yes I would like the F40 more, due to the.......more raw driver feel.
Exactly my point.. In no way am I saying that the Enzo isn't a "driver's car", but the F40 is more of one than the Enzo.. Little things add or take away from the "feel" of driving, a paddle shifting gearbox is one of them..
That is if you define "driver's car" the same way Leno and I see it..
i thought F430s came with normal 6sp? just like lambos
It's options, some do. Lambos come with paddle shifting as well though, e-gear. Depends what you want.
yea,well aslong as u can get the car in a regular manual........who cares bout the paddles.
this one the reasons i love american cars,thier just so much raw compared to say a new ferrari or lambo.
Eh not really. I mean the driving feel of a Ferrari or Lambo feels so much better then a Corvette. You can turn any driving aids off. But they just feel more stout and raw. Lamborghini not as much as Ferrari (at least a Murcielago) but it's just raw and nasty. The loud scream of the engine and just brute acceleration.
is this coming from an owner of an American automatic car?
~runs away~
Very true, a Ferrari with no aids is not an easy car to enthusiastically drive..
I totally agree.
i like my auto =[..but least its a straight reliable auto,not no crazy paddle shifting stuff.
its not like i wanna feel like im driving manual but fail...lol
they're comparing a 250,000$ car to a car that cost less than 90,000
cant really expect much now can you?
Everyone else can but when a magazine does then you say that.
well according to nissan, the 90k car beat the 250k car... how come it cant be reproduced?
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Exactly.
What you people aren't understanding is NISSAN TALKED SHIT, and when in real life someone tests their crap, it doesn't add up.
aka Nissan = ricer.
Not really. A lot of them just LOL at the GTR and say they wouldn't trade their's in for one. A couple sure, but nowhere near the majority.
were talking about real porsche who are still normal human beings, and still enjoy other vehicles that arent from stuttgart..
not nazi zombies..
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